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Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sat 18 Nov, 2017 4:43 pm
by HindleA
@Willow UBI musings don't fill me with hope,in that regard.Maybe they are thinking on salvageabilty lines.

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sat 18 Nov, 2017 4:48 pm
by HindleA
[youtube]xFrGuyw1V8s[/youtube]Replacement dj a bit crap but doing his best.

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sat 18 Nov, 2017 4:52 pm
by HindleA
An early appearance of PF there among the crowd.

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sat 18 Nov, 2017 4:57 pm
by citizenJA
EU and me: writers reminisce on their relationship with Europe

Sarah Perry, Bee Wilson, Hari Kunzru, Simon Garfield, Afua Hirsch, Val McDermid and Robert Macfarlane

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/ ... lationship" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Wonderful pieces from the authors

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sat 18 Nov, 2017 4:59 pm
by citizenJA
Angry and moving contributions
One of the best things I've read in a long time
I'll have to get a hold of the entire book

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sat 18 Nov, 2017 5:02 pm
by citizenJA
HindleA wrote:An early appearance of PF there among the crowd.
You sent the gin
wha' you expec'?

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sat 18 Nov, 2017 5:04 pm
by HindleA
Attending to perceived problems that largely don't exist and creating them,does seem to be a salient feature.

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sat 18 Nov, 2017 5:07 pm
by citizenJA
[youtube]vJzC6Rr7p7A[/youtube]

Roots remix or remake of "Din Da Da" / "Trommeltanz" originally by George Kranz, a one-hit wonder

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sat 18 Nov, 2017 5:12 pm
by HindleA
One of the lorry drivers for PF's gin consignment sprained an ankle on escape.

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sat 18 Nov, 2017 5:19 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
Willow904 wrote: Charities and other organisations are as bad/worse for "agreeing in principle". I wish they'd all get off the fence and start condemning it too.
A very pertinent point.

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sat 18 Nov, 2017 5:19 pm
by HindleA
Gauke entering the fray on twitter re.Couling/Lewis.

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sat 18 Nov, 2017 5:37 pm
by HindleA
DWP Ministers tend to know about as much about the system as my non existent pet rabbit versus Paul Lewis,"difficult one".

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sat 18 Nov, 2017 5:42 pm
by PaulfromYorkshire
I recently posted, perhaps here, that I could see the attraction in a "universal" credit if it really made things simpler for everyone.

Someone wiser than me pointed out that most people only need one or maybe two benefits at a time, so in fact for many people they'd just rather have that benefit working well for them and the universalness was only really any use for the government.

All along I've been of the opinion, having read around quite a bit, that in any case it will always be unworkable because at its heart it needs real time salary updates from employers, which is massively problematic.

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sat 18 Nov, 2017 5:44 pm
by PaulfromYorkshire
In short I think it's almost irrelevant whether it's right in principle because demonstrably it can never work properly for the recipients.

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sat 18 Nov, 2017 5:47 pm
by HindleA
We had several more but FWIW this would at most have been reduced by one by UC.It only covers some and even then means-tested versions.

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sat 18 Nov, 2017 5:52 pm
by HindleA
It depends what you mean/include as benefits of course.The State Pension is,as I boringly state but for a purpose in the same category of CA,ESA etc,acceptance that you are not expected to work/restricted earnings circumstantially.

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sat 18 Nov, 2017 6:02 pm
by PorFavor
HindleA wrote:One of the lorry drivers for PF's gin consignment sprained an ankle on escape.
He got off very lightly.

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sat 18 Nov, 2017 6:29 pm
by HindleA
Certainly looks somewhat relieved.

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sat 18 Nov, 2017 8:09 pm
by adam
Keepin' the dancefloor full

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Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sat 18 Nov, 2017 8:55 pm
by HindleA
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-st ... e-42024072" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Stoke-on-Trent homeless would risk £1k fine in tent ban plan

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sat 18 Nov, 2017 9:03 pm
by PorFavor
Night night.

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sat 18 Nov, 2017 9:34 pm
by HindleA
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... are_btn_tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



Hospitals attack ‘barking mad’ NHS target to manage winter crisis
Official edicts to banish long trolley waits and treatment in corridors are deluded, say trusts

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sat 18 Nov, 2017 9:37 pm
by HindleA
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... t-big-five" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Hammond’s budget big five: cuts, pay, housing, roads and students

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sat 18 Nov, 2017 9:55 pm
by HindleA
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... -clings-on" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Zimbabwe’s ruling party expected to sack Robert Mugabe on Sunday

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sat 18 Nov, 2017 9:58 pm
by HindleA
https://www.theguardian.com/money/blog/ ... aper-homes" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


House prices aren’t the issue – land prices are
Patrick Collinson

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sat 18 Nov, 2017 10:12 pm
by HindleA
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyl ... are-crisis" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


A thousand nurseries close as free childcare scheme falters
Providers resorting to ‘unethical’ practices to replace funding shortfall

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sat 18 Nov, 2017 10:13 pm
by HindleA
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIp ... w/viewform" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


https://www.pre-school.org.uk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sat 18 Nov, 2017 10:21 pm
by HindleA
https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... -blackburn" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Kenny Dalglish: ‘As long as we’re living we won’t have closure on Hillsborough’

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sat 18 Nov, 2017 10:23 pm
by HindleA
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... from-labor" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Northcote byelection: Greens' Lidia Thorpe takes Melbourne seat from Labor

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sat 18 Nov, 2017 10:25 pm
by HindleA
https://www.theguardian.com/world/comme ... es-britain" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


The Guardian view on Yemen: a catastrophe that shames Britain
Editorial

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sat 18 Nov, 2017 10:26 pm
by HindleA
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42040856" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Budget 2017: Philip Hammond to announce boost for driverless cars

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sat 18 Nov, 2017 10:35 pm
by HindleA
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Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sat 18 Nov, 2017 10:42 pm
by HindleA
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-42017204" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Autism concern over home schooling rise in Wales

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sun 19 Nov, 2017 12:13 am
by HindleA
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Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sun 19 Nov, 2017 12:45 am
by HindleA
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/com ... p-the-poor" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


The Observer view on Philip Hammond’s budget

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sun 19 Nov, 2017 1:23 am
by HindleA
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... his-budget" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The state of the Tory party is the only grand reveal of this budget
Andrew Rawnsley

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sun 19 Nov, 2017 5:49 am
by HindleA
https://dpac.uk.net/2017/11/template-le ... rs-of-esa/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Template letter for claimants who may be affected and entitled to arrears of ESA

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sun 19 Nov, 2017 9:01 am
by PorFavor
Good morfternoon.

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sun 19 Nov, 2017 10:14 am
by gilsey
I think there's a few cricket fans here, you might enjoy this. icymi
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/ ... -vic-marks" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Thirty-five years ago the England all-rounder Vic Marks and Guardian cricket correspondent Matthew Engel went on their first Ashes tour. As Marks prepares to travel to Australia again, now doing Engel’s former job, they swap stories

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sun 19 Nov, 2017 11:30 am
by PorFavor
Jacob Rees Mogg has just said (on the BBC Sunday Politics) that we (the Conservative cabinet and MPs) should "stand together in the best interests of the Government". Or at least I'm pretty sure that that's what he said. He didn't say "and sod the rest of you" although he might just as well have done.

Did anyone else hear the interview?

And Philip Hammond, doing the grand tour of the studios, was very weary-sounding - even by his standards.



Edited - "as" for "have".

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sun 19 Nov, 2017 11:45 am
by PorFavor
I've just listened to the Jacob Rees Mogg interview again - and yes, he did say it.

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sun 19 Nov, 2017 11:54 am
by PorFavor
There are no unemployed in UK, says Hammond in TV gaffe

Chancellor accused of being out of touch after making slip-up as he prepares for politically difficult budget later this week (Guardian)
Yes, I heard that (but forgot to mention it).

I got the impression that he just wanted to go back to bed.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... d-tv-gaffe

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sun 19 Nov, 2017 12:20 pm
by PorFavor
Totally irrelevant - but the Christmas ads this year are mostly dreadful, despite the eye-watering sums spent on them. The Waitrose one is the best by a (snowy) country mile and the Debenhams one is a worthy second place.

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sun 19 Nov, 2017 12:21 pm
by AngryAsWell
Exclusive: David Davis could quit because 'he is being frozen out on Brexit strategy' by civil servants

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11 ... egy-civil/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Any credibility, or just Telegraph mischief making.

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sun 19 Nov, 2017 12:32 pm
by PorFavor
AngryAsWell wrote:Exclusive: David Davis could quit because 'he is being frozen out on Brexit strategy' by civil servants

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11 ... egy-civil/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Any credibility, or just Telegraph mischief making.
I always got the impression that the less David Davis has to read (or write) the better he likes it. But I suppose his pride might be dented.

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sun 19 Nov, 2017 12:53 pm
by AngryAsWell
We shouldn’t even be contemplating leaving the single market
Whitehall trade expert Martin Donnelly writes an open letter to parliamentarians

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... c-services" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sun 19 Nov, 2017 1:12 pm
by PorFavor
Someone should tell Nigel Farage that the role of Poirot in the remake of "Murder on the Orient Express" has been taken.

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sun 19 Nov, 2017 1:14 pm
by AngryAsWell
@carolecadwalla
Following Following @carolecadwalla
I wrote this in a cold, hard fury.
Threats of violence against me = tip of the iceberg.
The bullies are winning. Why? Why are we letting them??

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Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sun 19 Nov, 2017 1:37 pm
by PaulfromYorkshire
PorFavor wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:Exclusive: David Davis could quit because 'he is being frozen out on Brexit strategy' by civil servants

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11 ... egy-civil/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Any credibility, or just Telegraph mischief making.
I always got the impression that the less David Davis has to read (or write) the better he likes it. But I suppose his pride might be dented.
Could David Davis be the fall guy?

He failed. It's all his fault. And err it's too late to leave now.

Re: Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th November 2017

Posted: Sun 19 Nov, 2017 2:00 pm
by PaulfromYorkshire
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... efs-tories" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

philip-hammond-no-unemployed-gaffe-fuels-beliefs-tories
Thatcher and Lamont were criticised for using higher unemployment as an economic tool for controlling inflation regardless of the human consequence. Nobody is criticising Hammond for doing that, particularly at a time when Britain is the “jobs factory of Europe” and continues to attract skilled European migrants.
My emphasis. God forbid eh?