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Monday 20th November 2017

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 7:10 am
by refitman
Morning all.

Re: Monday 20th November 2015

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 7:27 am
by PaulfromYorkshire
Morning!

Just looking at all the Zimbabwe news (or rather not news) I'm struck again by the desire above all else of many Zimbabweans to avoid conflict.

Re: Monday 20th November 2015

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 8:47 am
by HindleA
Morning


http://paullewismoney.blogspot.co.uk/20 ... stmas.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Monday 20th November 2015

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 9:03 am
by HindleA
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... or-purpose" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Monday 20th November 2015

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 9:08 am
by tinybgoat
HindleA wrote:Morning


http://paullewismoney.blogspot.co.uk/20 ... stmas.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Total Bastards, that's indefensible.
There's a link to gov.uk explanation of payment cycles -
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ent-cycles" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And it says
When you have 5 weekly earnings payments within an assessment period, your income may be too high to qualify for Universal Credit in that month.
If this happens you will be notified that your income is too high and you will no longer get Universal Credit.
You can re-apply the following month as you should only get 4 wage payments in your assessment period then.
You will need to be prepared for a month when you get 5 wage payments in one assessment period and budget for a potential change in your monthly Universal Credit payments.
So taking the weekly average over the period was too complicated?

Re: Monday 20th November 2015

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 9:09 am
by HindleA
RIP Jana Novotna (tennis)

Re: Monday 20th November 2015

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 9:22 am
by HindleA
@tinyboat

Some time ago and not quite same circumstances,I had a weekly maximum limit earnings but applied to one.This could cause potential problems at xmas,bank holidays etc with enhanced pay and non tandem with pay rises(hah) and limit (or not) changes.I know it was/is bone of contention and can't honestly remember the method of averaging out etc,but I sometimes did go over but only once disallowed in retrospect,some years later for one week I presume on "cleansing" operation.

Re: Monday 20th November 2015

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 9:34 am
by PorFavor
Good morfternoon.

Re: Monday 20th November 2015

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 9:37 am
by HindleA
Mentioning going back years.....

Re: Monday 20th November 2015

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 9:56 am
by HindleA
https://amp.theguardian.com/social-care ... der-people" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


We can't fix social care if we think it's just for older people

Re: Monday 20th November 2015

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 10:05 am
by HindleA
https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/moj-r ... Qs.twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

MoJ reveals massive budget cut as new advice deserts open

Re: Monday 20th November 2015

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 10:11 am
by RogerOThornhill
Morning all.
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A brief reminder that this Brexit sub-committee meeting today does not include the NI secretary.
I guess that's OK as there are no real issues with Ireland and borders n'stuff is there?

Re: Monday 20th November 2015

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 10:11 am
by HindleA
FFS.

Re: Monday 20th November 2015

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 10:19 am
by gilsey
Still talking about it being fixable, unfortunately.

Re: Monday 20th November 2015

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 10:27 am
by citizenJA
Good-morning, everyone

Re: Monday 20th November 2015

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 10:36 am
by gilsey
Thread.
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Re: Monday 20th November 2015

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 11:11 am
by citizenJA
gilsey wrote:
Still talking about it being fixable, unfortunately.
...Abrahams said there was increasing evidence that UC “is not fit for purpose – and Labour believes the budget is a chance to fix it”. The original aims of the system – to simplify social security support, ensure people were always better off in work than on benefits and reduce child poverty – were laudable, and had been supported by Labour, Abrahams wrote.

“But UC is failing to deliver on its objectives, as we have heard from respected charities including Child Poverty Action Group, Trussell Trust, Citizens Advice and Gingerbread. Even former government advisers, civil servants and UC’s own architects are now critical of the scheme,” she added. “As it is being rolled out, universal credit is pushing people into debt and rent arrears, with many people in social and private rented housing being served eviction notices.”
I think what Labour's Abrahams says here is good. The formal rigmarole apparently necessary is frustrating. Abrahams wrote Hammond ahead of his budget, telling him UC won't do with evidence supporting why not. Asking Hammond to use the budget to fix UC seems naive to me but I think it's protocol. I regret these time-wasting political antics are required. If I'm wrong about any of this, let me know.

I'd likely use unparliamentary language over this government's series of bad leadership decisions. Tory media then calls my intervention communist guerilla warfare demands my exile if not worse.

Re: Monday 20th November 2015

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 11:13 am
by HindleA
http://www.parliament.uk/business/commi ... ort-17-19/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Committees publish Bill to end exploitation in the gig economy

Re: Monday 20th November 2015

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 11:36 am
by HindleA
Not quite getting that,it is her job,not least to put pressure on by any means possible.To not do so would be negligence.I am nobody I wrote/write to Ministers via MP etc with concerns zero expectatons but the replies in themselves provided evidence as to the level of ignorance,attitude and unjustifiable illogical nature of reforms,the effects of which were the opposite of their presention.At the bare minimum I have/had proof they were lying.

Re: Monday 20th November 2015

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 11:37 am
by Stagger Lee
Morning all.

I like that we have gone back two years in time. If only we could do that in reality

Re: Monday 20th November 2017

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 11:55 am
by PaulfromYorkshire
We should be back to the future now ;-)

Re: Monday 20th November 2015

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 11:56 am
by HindleA
[youtube]fYTxrVhDxQ0[/youtube]

Re: Monday 20th November 2017

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 12:08 pm
by Stagger Lee
Being a lowly civil servant I always like to see how the senior bods manage to spin the annual Staff survey results in to something positive. They never let me down by ignoring the most importan thing, pay and conditions

https://civilservice.blog.gov.uk/2017/1 ... e-results/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Monday 20th November 2017

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 12:16 pm
by HindleA
https://www.scope.org.uk/press-releases ... ign=buffer" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Monday 20th November 2017

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 12:21 pm
by gilsey
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Letter to the chancellor.
Pleased to see the paragraph beginning 'However, I am worried...'. Sorry can't find anywhere I can copy and paste it from.

Re: Monday 20th November 2017

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 12:30 pm
by HindleA
:-

Re: Monday 20th November 2017

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 12:37 pm
by PorFavor
I'm still waiting for those impact assessments . . .

Re: Monday 20th November 2017

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 12:44 pm
by HindleA
I think if you look at the ones existing/previous ones eg.this may increase the risk of homelessness,people borrowing from family subject to "behaviourial change",applied overwhelmingly to those not expected to work,may give a clue as to why they prefer to use "evidence",according to the simplest cherry picked cases as regards UC.

Re: Monday 20th November 2017

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 1:14 pm
by SpinningHugo
In context, I don't think Hammond said anything remotely objectionable. He was clearly just addressing the (Luddite) question of what happens when a particular kind of job (here drivers) disappears because of technological change.

For those who don't like that view, here is a tweet you all will like.

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Kinnock's face is, indeed, priceless.

Re: Monday 20th November 2017

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 1:29 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
Would certainly like to have seen his face when the GE exit poll was released.......

Re: Monday 20th November 2017

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 1:33 pm
by HindleA
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyl ... are_btn_tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


How virtual reality is taking dementia patients back to the future
The Wayback project recreates coronation day in 1953 on 3D film using actors, period costumes and props, right down to fish-paste sandwiches. The effect is to bring back vivid memories for those struggling with the present

Re: Monday 20th November 2017

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 1:36 pm
by SpinningHugo
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Would certainly like to have seen his face when the GE exit poll was released.......

Errrr, that is his face when the exit poll was released.

Re: Monday 20th November 2017

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 1:37 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
SpinningHugo wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Would certainly like to have seen his face when the GE exit poll was released.......

Errrr, that is his face when the exit poll was released.
Ah, I get you. Thought it was last year's leadership election :oops:

Re: Monday 20th November 2017

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 1:39 pm
by HindleA
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... gs-clipped" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Merkel’s Coalition Failure Is Bad News for May

Re: Monday 20th November 2017

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 1:40 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
In other news, I see that the TERF wars are in full swing again :roll:

Re: Monday 20th November 2017

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 1:56 pm
by PaulfromYorkshire
Thanks for sharing that clip SH. Amazing. Kind of Gogglebox GE style ;-)

Re: Monday 20th November 2017

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 3:00 pm
by citizenJA
Stagger Lee wrote:Being a lowly civil servant I always like to see how the senior bods manage to spin the annual Staff survey results in to something positive. They never let me down by ignoring the most importan thing, pay and conditions

https://civilservice.blog.gov.uk/2017/1 ... e-results/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I've a great admiration for civil servants. I respect the work of civil servants as much as the work of teachers and doctors, for example.

Re: Monday 20th November 2017

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 3:40 pm
by PorFavor
Belief that customs system will be ready for Brexit ‘borders on insanity’

Logistics company CEVA says delays could lead to ‘calamitous situation’ at Dover, but warns it may already be too late

Leigh Pomlett, the executive director of CEVA Group, which specialises in road, air and ocean-going freight, said Downing Street and the Treasury did not understand how difficult it would be to have a system in place in 15 months’ time, when the UK leaves the EU.

“It is just the urgency of this that worries me. It takes me longer to negotiate a supply chain contract than we have here. Arguably, it is already too late,” he said. (Guardian)
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... n-insanity

Re: Monday 20th November 2017

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 3:48 pm
by RogerOThornhill
Interesting.
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Labour claiming @Freeman_George has resigned from his policy role at No10. Big news if true. Was one of the party's leading voices of reform.

Re: Monday 20th November 2017

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 3:58 pm
by PaulfromYorkshire
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George Freeman has resigned as chair of the prime minister's policy board in an column in @ConHome. He's still chair of the Conserative Policy Forum, which is different.

Re: Monday 20th November 2017

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 3:58 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
Lucy Fisher - you should be embarrassed, *genuinely* embarrassed.

(check Twitter if you really want to know what I'm on about)

Re: Monday 20th November 2017

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 4:00 pm
by PaulfromYorkshire
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Jessica Elgot‏Verified account
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George Freeman has resigned as chair of the prime minister's policy board in an column in @ConHome. He's still chair of the Conserative Policy Forum, which is different.
He says he's resigned from the former to focus on the latter.

Re: Monday 20th November 2017

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 4:06 pm
by PaulfromYorkshire
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Electoral Commission launches investigation into whether Vote Leave, Veterans for Britain and Darren Grimes, now deputy ed of Brexit Central, breached campaign finance rule during referendum

Re: Monday 20th November 2017

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 4:13 pm
by RogerOThornhill
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Jessica Elgot‏Verified account
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George Freeman has resigned as chair of the prime minister's policy board in an column in @ConHome. He's still chair of the Conserative Policy Forum, which is different.
He says he's resigned from the former to focus on the latter.

Party policy in more urgent need of sorting out than government policy?

There's one possible reason for that...

Re: Monday 20th November 2017

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 4:13 pm
by Willow904
https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/ ... in-limited" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"New information has come to light" according to the Electoral Commission.


Edited to add that this is the case the Good Law Project threatened to take the Electoral Commission to judicial review over, I believe.

Re: Monday 20th November 2017

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 4:14 pm
by RogerOThornhill
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So, it turns out George Freeman announced he was standing down as Theresa May's policy chief this morning in a piece for ConsHome, in what was the most low-key resignation of all time.
:D

So interesting that hardly anyone read to the end.

Re: Monday 20th November 2017

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 4:32 pm
by Willow904
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Apparently the PM's policy board wasn't reconstituted after the election, so unclear whether he had anything to resign from

November 20, 2017
So that's nice and clear then :?

Re: Monday 20th November 2017

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 4:32 pm
by tinybgoat
https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/brexit ... nders-fine" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
An MP has today asked the government why the DUP’s main Brexit funder was fined £6,000, after openDemocracy’s revelations on Saturday .
From Wednesday (apologies if already seen)

Re: Monday 20th November 2017

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 4:36 pm
by PaulfromYorkshire
Willow904 wrote:https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/ ... in-limited

"New information has come to light" according to the Electoral Commission.


Edited to add that this is the case the Good Law Project threatened to take the Electoral Commission to judicial review over, I believe.
The investigation will look at:
whether or not Mr Grimes may have delivered a return that was incorrect in relation to a donation he received from Vote Leave and related campaign spending;
whether or not Veterans for Britain delivered a return that was incorrect in relation to a donation it received from Vote Leave and related campaign spending;
whether or not Vote Leave delivered a return that was incorrect in relation to campaign spending;
whether or not Vote Leave exceeded its spending limit in the referendum.

Re: Monday 20th November 2017

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 4:36 pm
by PaulfromYorkshire
PTO ;-)