Saturday 25th & Sunday 26th November 2017

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 3:49 pm

Exclusive: Theresa May starts work on new DUP deal to stop Government collapsing in June 2019

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11 ... g_share_tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

No end to how much money available for the DUP.....

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 3:52 pm

Jeremy Hunt prepares for Tory leadership bid as he sets his sights on Downing Street

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politic ... 01931.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 3:55 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Jeremy Hunt prepares for Tory leadership bid as he sets his sights on Downing Street

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politic ... 01931.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ah. Explains my nightmares and subsequent disquiet

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 4:02 pm

Barry Gardiner, the shadow international trade secretary, had earlier told the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show that Labour had not ruled out staying in the single market and forging a new customs union with the EU.

“It’s not our call and it would be foolish of an opposition to actually put out there and say this is the solution, when we’re not in the negotiating table itself,” he said.

“If we’re at the negotiating table, we can have those discussions. I’d be very happy if Theresa May wanted to move over and call that election and let us do that. But until we’re around that table it’s not sensible to say what you can get out of the negotiations, because you’re not sitting there..."

- Liam Fox: Northern Irish border cannot be settled until trade deal agreed

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -uk-brexit" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

No wonder Tory HQ got upset. Labour aren't responsible for this Tory foul-up received successful media transmission.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 4:03 pm

"Went to a Brexit round table discussion this week - with senior representatives from about 20 UK PLCs across different sectors. It was Chatham House rules - so I can share some of the comments but I can't attribute them /1"

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Thread

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 4:06 pm

citizenJA wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:Jeremy Hunt prepares for Tory leadership bid as he sets his sights on Downing Street

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politic ... 01931.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Ah. Explains my nightmares and subsequent disquiet

Therer's a sting in the tail

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One senior Conservative said: "If the NHS is the Tory weak spot, which it is, having the most hated health secretary as the next leader - there lies electoral death and destruction."

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 4:11 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... -recession" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 4:12 pm

Legatum: who are the Brexiteers’ favourite think tank and who is behind them?

It's arguably the most influential think tank in the country, pushing a free market pro-Brexit vision and enjoying privileged access to media and ministers. But what does their background in 'disaster capitalism' tell us about Legatum's Brexit agenda?

https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/peter- ... ehind-them" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 4:17 pm

And whilst today's Observer might not have Cohen, it does apparently have a frightful fawning puff piece on Anna Soubry.

Which contrives not to mention her actual voting record at any point, but lets her get in lots of digs at Corbyn/Labour - totally unchallenged by the "interviewer".

Deeply shoddy, sloppy stuff - utterly unsurprisingly, comments have *not* been enabled.

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 4:23 pm

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... -recession

Figures from the European Commission’s statistics body, Eurostat, show that British companies invest half as much per worker in vocational training as the EU average, and that investment in skills has fallen by 9% in real terms over the past decade.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 4:32 pm

Just to observe that, without help, it's taken me this long to get here. But the previous page is feeling very refreshed.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 4:34 pm

frog222 wrote:
HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... -recession

Figures from the European Commission’s statistics body, Eurostat, show that British companies invest half as much per worker in vocational training as the EU average, and that investment in skills has fallen by 9% in real terms over the past decade.

Indeed, basically, the comparable countries in Europe regard a decent quality of life for citizens as a basic requirement; in the UK we see it a something that only the aristos, their modern "diaspora" and self-serving bastards deserve. The general view is that rest of us don't deserve it, and as a nation, judging by our voting record, we seem to agree.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 4:35 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:And whilst today's Observer might not have Cohen, it does apparently have a frightful fawning puff piece on Anna Soubry.

Which contrives not to mention her actual voting record at any point, but lets her get in lots of digs at Corbyn/Labour - totally unchallenged by the "interviewer".

Deeply shoddy, sloppy stuff - utterly unsurprisingly, comments have *not* been enabled.

I missed that. I shall now continue to do so - thanks for the warning.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 4:35 pm

PorFavor wrote:Just to observe that, without help, it's taken me this long to get here. But the previous page is feeling very refreshed.

I did wonder.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 4:37 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:
frog222 wrote:
HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... -recession

Figures from the European Commission’s statistics body, Eurostat, show that British companies invest half as much per worker in vocational training as the EU average, and that investment in skills has fallen by 9% in real terms over the past decade.
Indeed, basically, the comparable countries in Europe regard a decent quality of life for citizens as a basic requirement; in the UK we see it a something that only the aristos, their modern "diaspora" and self-serving bastards deserve. The general view is that rest of us don't deserve it, and as a nation, judging by our voting record, we seem to agree.

That's because we're ever so 'umble. And so we should be. God save the Quing!

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 4:40 pm

frog222 wrote:
HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... -recession

Figures from the European Commission’s statistics body, Eurostat, show that British companies invest half as much per worker in vocational training as the EU average, and that investment in skills has fallen by 9% in real terms over the past decade.

Goes along with the business leaders arguing for schools to teach "21st century skills" - i.e. so they don';t have to spend any money on training them.

Having driven both of my kids back to the station - separately - to catch trains to their respective homes, the ROT taxi service has shut for the day...

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 4:44 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:And whilst today's Observer might not have Cohen, it does apparently have a frightful fawning puff piece on Anna Soubry.

Which contrives not to mention her actual voting record at any point, but lets her get in lots of digs at Corbyn/Labour - totally unchallenged by the "interviewer".

Deeply shoddy, sloppy stuff - utterly unsurprisingly, comments have *not* been enabled.

Here's a link to it (I don't think its that bad actually, it's basically about Brexit not Tory v Labour, and though yes, she does have a pop at Corbyn she's a politician so bound to really.)

Anna Soubry on Brexit: ‘History will condemn those who haven’t tried to stop all this nonsense’
The Tory MP, who received death threats after being labelled a ‘Brexit mutineer’, talks frankly about how the episode has affected her and spells out her grave fears for her party and the nation

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... his-period" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 4:52 pm

Good thread on the Irish border question and the UK government's ineptitude in actually reviewing the various options.

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citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 5:02 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:---
Indeed, basically, the comparable countries in Europe regard a decent quality of life for citizens as a basic requirement; in the UK we see it a something that only the aristos, their modern "diaspora" and self-serving bastards deserve. The general view is that rest of us don't deserve it, and as a nation, judging by our voting record, we seem to agree.

(cJA edit)
I understand this better now. If I'd not lived through events home in the UK during this time, I wouldn't have understood as well. It's not comfortable or easily reconciled for me, acknowledging this classism. I know for certain all people deserve some of the best we create together. There's no excuse for shameful neglect of lives, none.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 5:03 pm

It is quite funny with the "taxi service",my mum arranges/offers/organises/insists,shall we say with not much consulting with the actual driver."Oh,we don't mind".

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 5:08 pm

HindleA wrote:It is quite funny with the "taxi service",my mum arranges/offers/organises/insists,shall we say with not much consulting with the actual driver."Oh,we don't mind".

Apologies for not sending my love to your parents sooner.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 5:09 pm

Did Tarquin survive the night? Frozen to his lawn mower is he?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 5:13 pm

Now in Shed No.1 with suitable knitwear.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 5:15 pm

I hear T3 has been checking out sequins for their sartorial contribution to the festive season.

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 5:30 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Good thread on the Irish border question and the UK government's ineptitude in actually reviewing the various options.

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Wrexit in Wonderland !

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 5:41 pm

From Your Man at the WTO, in Geneva ---

[quote]Replicating our current EU trade regime will help ensure that our transition in the WTO is as simple, technical and uncontroversial as possible.[/quote]

https://blogs.fco.gov.uk/julianbraithwa ... ve-the-eu/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

None of the other 163 countries is going to object to any details !

( Except er ... this morning: Australia for a starter ... )

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 5:57 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:I hear T3 has been checking out sequins for their sartorial contribution to the festive season.

I've not frock shopped in ages

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 6:03 pm

Nor me

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 6:23 pm

Women's lives at risk from changes to funding for refuges, say charities

Campaigners call government proposals to take short-term supported housing out of welfare system a ‘matter of life and death’ (Guardian)

I suppose it's been a few days since the Conservatives had a good laugh so they must be about due for one.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... -charities

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 6:50 pm

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultat ... stic-abuse" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ed-housing" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultat ... sultations" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 6:58 pm

HindleA wrote:https://www.gov.uk/government/consultat ... stic-abuse

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ed-housing" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultat ... sultations" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Then after the consulations have taken place, the Government will pull their usual "here's one we prepared earlier" stunt.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 7:02 pm

Or like this have more consultations.

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 7:06 pm

"" John McDonnell turned the tables on ITV’s Political Editor today by using the journalist’s recently published book to justify Labour’s spending plans.

The Shadow Chancellor quoted from Robert Peston’s “WTF” as he explained why Labour would borrow an additional £250billion to invest in the UK – despite the country already being in £1.8trillion of debt.

Peston was heard to mutter “Yeah I know what’s going to happen now” as McDonnell began referencing is latest book, leading the journalist to chuckle to himself as he heard his own arguments thrown back at him.""

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/j ... k-politics" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

J McD being effective ... I usually find him pretty dozy but perhaps I don't see as much as the rest of you, having no TV at all.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 7:12 pm

Mum's last wish honours Hillsborough fans

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-me ... e-42110346" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 7:21 pm

"But what actually happened just after 4.30pm on Friday? Two men, aged 21 and 40, have handed themselves over to police after an apparent altercation at Oxford Circus tube station. This confrontation, it is now reported, escalated into full-blown panic as the rumour mill whirred into action, turbocharged in real time by social media. MailOnline had to apologise for circulating a tweet claiming that a lorry had mounted the pavement on Oxford Street with “police all around it and blood on the floor”. The tweet was not only incorrect but 10 days old."

- Matthew d'Ancona
26 November 2017

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... t-end-city" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Did we have this or something like it? I hadn't known this before now.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 7:38 pm

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... s-13957113" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The government will pay Manchester what it needs following the Arena bombing in a major U-turn

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 7:44 pm

citizenJA wrote:
"But what actually happened just after 4.30pm on Friday? Two men, aged 21 and 40, have handed themselves over to police after an apparent altercation at Oxford Circus tube station. This confrontation, it is now reported, escalated into full-blown panic as the rumour mill whirred into action, turbocharged in real time by social media. MailOnline had to apologise for circulating a tweet claiming that a lorry had mounted the pavement on Oxford Street with “police all around it and blood on the floor”. The tweet was not only incorrect but 10 days old."

- Matthew d'Ancona
26 November 2017

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... t-end-city" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Did we have this or something like it? I hadn't known this before now.

CJA -- the Mail and the Express both went berserk on it .
Unpunished; of course !

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 7:51 pm

@frog222
good lord
that bit was only filler information from d'Ancona
he went on to write it's good getting scared because the world is a scary place

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 8:03 pm

Angered mother demands apology from daughter’s school after worksheet asks children to rate living next door to black people

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/must- ... ple/26/11/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 8:25 pm

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This photo was posted in a Facebook group I belong to. It’s in Morlande, a district of Avallon, Burgundy, France. #JoCox

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AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 8:47 pm

Jonathan Portes Retweeted norman smith
Because it's a stupid question:
a) You don't "pay off" a deficit - you reduce/eliminate it
b) no economic rationale for zero deficit - not needed to reduce debt/GDP ratio or forfiscal sustainability
c) government/OBR don't know either, so not clear why Opposition should #marr

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Jonathan Portes to BBC's Norman Smith
Worth a read of replies as well

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 8:55 pm

Goodnight, everyone
love,
cJA

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 8:56 pm

Off topic, but did anyone else watch Blue Planet?

I really can't think of anything I've ever seen on TV better than that.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 9:01 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04tjbtx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 9:01 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Off topic, but did anyone else watch Blue Planet?

I really can't think of anything I've ever seen on TV better than that.

I quite enjoyed the 4-1 thumping of Leeds by Wolves midweek Paul...

but you are right Blue Planet is fantastic!

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 9:02 pm

Grrrrr

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 9:04 pm

Double grrrr

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 9:08 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Off topic, but did anyone else watch Blue Planet?

I really can't think of anything I've ever seen on TV better than that.

Missed it as OH currently catching the cricket (all day!!!) but have it recorded
Currently reading the #WindOfChange hashtag on twitter. Thundercalp going out on 3rd December if anyone want to join it

https://www.thunderclap.it/projects/630 ... ndofchange" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(Well it's sort of related.....)

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 9:30 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... itics-live" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Coalition discord erupts after sobering Queensland result – politics live

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 26 Nov, 2017 9:32 pm