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ErnstRemarx wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... membership

Just for starters - the delicious thought of the Tory party falling to pieces.

yahyah wrote:

ErnstRemarx wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... membership

Just for starters - the delicious thought of the Tory party falling to pieces.

Morning

For years have dreamed of the Tories imploding, but what comes in its place ?
The thought of Kippers becoming a real political force is a depressing one.

Will go and read the piece now.

Oh, and does anyone believe UKIP's claim that some Labour MPs have thought of jumping ship, and if it is likely to be true who the hell are they ?

Downing Street knew before the defection of the Tory MP Douglas Carswell to Ukip on Thursday that the terror level threat would be raised. It made preparations for Cameron's statement before the Carswell announcement, indicating that the press conference was not an attempt to deflect attention from Tory divisions on Europe. (Guardian)

TechnicalEphemera wrote:So last night my natural Tory friend after some beer went on a ten minute rant about Cameron, and then commented Ed Miliband was the most likely politician to look after his interests.

Strange days.

yahyah wrote:

ErnstRemarx wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... membership

Just for starters - the delicious thought of the Tory party falling to pieces.

Morning

For years have dreamed of the Tories imploding, but what comes in its place ?
The thought of Kippers becoming a real political force is a depressing one.

Will go and read the piece now.

Oh, and does anyone believe UKIP's claim that some Labour MPs have thought of jumping ship, and if it is likely to be true who the hell are they ?

Ed Miliband urges West to unite to confront Isis threat at home and abroad (Independent)

RobertSnozers wrote: The preferred Ukip 'narrative' for the last few years seems to have been that they are just as attractive to Labour voters as Tories, and trying to denounce as myth the idea that Ukip voters are all disaffected Tories, so it doesn't surprise me that they are claiming possible defections from Labour as well. I don't think it's true. Statistically, if the opinion polls' breakdown of Ukip supporters is anything to go by, it's more likely that a LibDem MP would defect before a Labour one.

RogerOThornhill wrote:

RobertSnozers wrote: The preferred Ukip 'narrative' for the last few years seems to have been that they are just as attractive to Labour voters as Tories, and trying to denounce as myth the idea that Ukip voters are all disaffected Tories, so it doesn't surprise me that they are claiming possible defections from Labour as well. I don't think it's true. Statistically, if the opinion polls' breakdown of Ukip supporters is anything to go by, it's more likely that a LibDem MP would defect before a Labour one.

I too can't see a Labour defection.

It'd be difficult to believe that someone looking at the people that have moved between Tory > UKIP and back again would think they'd have any empathy with them at all.

And when you have the main fundraiser being Stuart Wheeler who was funding the Tories before, why would you go to UKIP now if you hadn't moved to the Tories before now?

People like Frank Field might be concerned about immigration but I couldn't ever see him defecting.

yahyah wrote:

ErnstRemarx wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... membership

Just for starters - the delicious thought of the Tory party falling to pieces.

Morning

For years have dreamed of the Tories imploding, but what comes in its place ?
The thought of Kippers becoming a real political force is a depressing one.

Will go and read the piece now.

Oh, and does anyone believe UKIP's claim that some Labour MPs have thought of jumping ship, and if it is likely to be true who the hell are they ?

RogerOThornhill wrote:

RobertSnozers wrote: The preferred Ukip 'narrative' for the last few years seems to have been that they are just as attractive to Labour voters as Tories, and trying to denounce as myth the idea that Ukip voters are all disaffected Tories, so it doesn't surprise me that they are claiming possible defections from Labour as well. I don't think it's true. Statistically, if the opinion polls' breakdown of Ukip supporters is anything to go by, it's more likely that a LibDem MP would defect before a Labour one.

I too can't see a Labour defection.

It'd be difficult to believe that someone looking at the people that have moved between Tory > UKIP and back again would think they'd have any empathy with them at all.

And when you have the main fundraiser being Stuart Wheeler who was funding the Tories before, why would you go to UKIP now if you hadn't moved to the Tories before now?

People like Frank Field might be concerned about immigration but I couldn't ever see him defecting.

TechnicalEphemera wrote:So last night my natural Tory friend after some beer went on a ten minute rant about Cameron, and then commented Ed Miliband was the most likely politician to look after his interests.

Strange days.

RobertSnozers wrote:I did my first voting intention survey for YouGov today by the way. Interesting additional questions about TTIP. No doubt I'll be weighted out of significance.

refitman wrote:Morning all.

Has anyone worked out Carswell's position on the Bedroom Tax yet? He voted for it, and against any exemptions for carers etc (http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/11621/ ... ll/clacton" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;). However Ukip's official line is against it.

Has he change his mind?

HindleA wrote:

refitman wrote:Morning all.

Has anyone worked out Carswell's position on the Bedroom Tax yet? He voted for it, and against any exemptions for carers etc (http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/11621/ ... ll/clacton" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;). However Ukip's official line is against it.

Has he change his mind?

Afternoon.Apparently.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/11065185/Douglas-Carswell-is-a-gutless-coward-says-ousted-UKIP-candidate-Roger-Lord.html

ohsocynical wrote:http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/504929/I-m-not-stabbing-Tories-in-back-insists-defector

FORMER Tory MP Douglas Carswell took to the streets of his Clacton constituency yesterday to ­defend his ­decision to switch to Ukip.

Note 'His' constituency. Done deal then!

ohsocynical wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Now people are going to panic. They forget the plague is still active in quite a few countries including the US. And it's treatable now.

RogerOThornhill wrote:

ohsocynical wrote:http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/504929/I-m-not-stabbing-Tories-in-back-insists-defector

FORMER Tory MP Douglas Carswell took to the streets of his Clacton constituency yesterday to ­defend his ­decision to switch to Ukip.

Note 'His' constituency. Done deal then!

Well, to be precise it's not *his* constituency until he wins the by election. Unless it's his until they move the writ.

11.12 Several councillors interviewed believed that by opening up these issues they could be 'giving oxygen' to racist perspectives that might in turn attract extremist political groups and threaten community cohesion. To some extent this concern was valid, with the apparent targeting of the town by groups such as the English Defence League.

Such is the clamour to capitalize on the misery of child abuse, two far right groups turned up and had arguments with the EDL which involved a lot of shoving and shouting.

First to turn up, were Britain First who had been to see the council office in the afternoon. After some shouting Britain First left.

Later in the evening the National Front turned up to try and claim a slice of the pie but were outnumbered by the EDL, things got nasty and they left.

The EDL have called a demonstration in Rotherham on the 13th September but it seems all other groups are turning up which is likely to end up in a massive punch up as all groups want a slice of the grief pie and some are getting upset that the EDL have beat them to prime position.

PorFavor wrote:Goodnight, everyone.

RobertSnozers wrote:Re Rotherham - I believe it's still the case that most cases of CSE involve White British men - it's just that the MO differs. The cases involving men of South Asian origin have tended to concern groups, whereas most cases involving White British men see the perpetrators acting alone. Not that there aren't white men acting in groups to abuse children, it's just that their race isn't considered as a factor. And perhaps they are better protected, e.g. files alleging abuse mysteriously going missing. Anything more happened about that, by the way? Or has the media got a narrative it prefers these days?

yahyah wrote:As TE says, strange days.

Find myself in sympathy with Grant Shapps.


Grant Shapps MP ‏@grantshapps 9m
Carswell told me time and again there should only be open primaries, so will he subject himself to one now I wonder?

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/iainm ... n-primary/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Pitchforks Are Coming… For Us Plutocrats

Two amazing things happened in the 60′s. The Robin was voted Britain’s national bird and…

The surprising thing is; neither has happened since.

Well, all that is about to change. David Lindo (AKA The Urban Birder) feels the Robin’s many decades in power needs to be challenged, so he is fronting a campaign to help find Britain’s new national bird. Running alongside next year’s General Election will be this alternative Election, which we’d love you to take part in.

It’s going to work in two stages. The first vote will be to find the six running candidates. This vote is live now. Simply scroll down, take a peek through the list of 60 worthy nominees and pick the 6 birds that you think best personifies all that this wonderful nation represents. Each of these species has a special place in the hearts and minds of the Great British public.

It’s as easy as that!

When you register to vote you are automatically entered into a free draw. Prizes include a Shetland Wildlife Holiday, top of the range Leica binoculars, Bird Watching Magazine subscriptions and Urban Birder T- Shirts.

The first round of voting will close at midnight October 31st 2014. Thereafter, we will have our final six candidates up for the title of Britain’s National Bird and the voting will re-open.

The question is; will the Robin be knocked off its perch?

'Superior’ private health is a myth
Just because you have paid directly, your private health care is not better than that offered by the NHS
However, following a freedom of information request to the Care Quality Commission, figures released last week showed that there were more than 800 unexpected deaths and nearly 1,000 people injured in private hospitals over a four-year period. Given the relatively small amount of patients treated within the private sector, this is shocking. If it was the NHS, there would be an outcry, with claims that it was further proof that the service was no longer fit for purpose.

Tubby Isaacs wrote:Crike.

Nicky Morgan apparently wants ebacc to be compulsory.

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AngryAsWell wrote:Hot from the torygraph.....

'Superior’ private health is a myth
Just because you have paid directly, your private health care us not better than that offered by the NHS
However, following a freedom of information request to the Care Quality Commission, figures released last week showed that there were more than 800 unexpected deaths and nearly 1,000 people injured in private hospitals over a four-year period. Given the relatively small amount of patients treated within the private sector, this is shocking. If it was the NHS, there would be an outcry, with claims that it was further proof that the service was no longer fit for purpose.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/nhs/1 ... -myth.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Spacedone wrote:Survation/Mail On Sunday have a constituency poll on Clacton and frankly it's unbelievable.

UKIP have a 44 point lead over the Conservatives.



Sample size was apparently 700 according to UKPR.

If the result is accurate then I can only assume that the people of Clacton are treating the by-election as a protest vote, safe in the knowledge they can have another go 8 months later. Either that or there is something in the water down there.

refitman wrote:

AngryAsWell wrote:Hot from the torygraph.....

'Superior’ private health is a myth
Just because you have paid directly, your private health care us not better than that offered by the NHS
However, following a freedom of information request to the Care Quality Commission, figures released last week showed that there were more than 800 unexpected deaths and nearly 1,000 people injured in private hospitals over a four-year period. Given the relatively small amount of patients treated within the private sector, this is shocking. If it was the NHS, there would be an outcry, with claims that it was further proof that the service was no longer fit for purpose.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/nhs/1 ... -myth.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Can't wait for Rusty to let us know!

The result, unsurprisingly, is borne out as we see in the Leadership Academy’s study above. A leadership vacuum is created and things go from ‘really bad’ to ‘even worse’. Of course, the last Labour government did absolutely nothing to counter this, but the incumbent government is equally to blame. They had the chance to use the reforms to wipe out the dreck in the upper echelons of the NHS and open the sector up to the rest of the country’s workforce. With the exception of booting out David Nicholson, they didn’t take that chance.

Tubby Isaacs wrote:Crike.

Nicky Morgan apparently wants ebacc to be compulsory.

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adam wrote:

Tubby Isaacs wrote:Crike.

Nicky Morgan apparently wants ebacc to be compulsory.

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The telegraph story about this says that they will instruct Ofsted that schools that don't offer the ebacc will be unable to reach 'good' or 'outstanding' in inspections. So they're not making anything compulsory, they're just nudging schools to do the right thing.