Friday 1st December 2017

Post by **refitman** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 7:12 am

Morning all.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 8:00 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-de ... e-42180763" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Derby cordoned-off Christmas tree 'an embarrassment'

It's more than an embarrassment, it's a strategic disaster, cutting Christmas shoppers off from seating and rubbish bins. You've really got to question the ability of local councils sometimes. We have Christmas every year. Surely they must have worked out the best spot for a tree by now?!

Post by **adam** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 8:27 am

Lewis was asked by the BBC how he could be sure it was Green, now the first secretary of state, who accessed the images. He said: “The computer was in Mr Green’s office, on his desk, logged in, his account, his name. “In between browsing pornography, he was sending emails from his account, his personal account, reading documents ... it was ridiculous to suggest anybody else could have done it.”

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 8:35 am

Good morfternoon.

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 8:39 am

Willow904 wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-de ... e-42180763

Derby cordoned-off Christmas tree 'an embarrassment'
It's more than an embarrassment, it's a strategic disaster, cutting Christmas shoppers off from seating and rubbish bins. You've really got to question the ability of local councils sometimes. We have Christmas every year. Surely they must have worked out the best spot for a tree by now?!

Dangerous things trees:
http://www.perkins-slade.com/insurance- ... as-safety/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It may be the season of holiday cheer but Christmas is in fact the most dangerous time of the year, with around 1,350 reported injuries annually in relation to Christmas trees and fairy lights.

Also possibility of exploding trees!
http://oddrandomthoughts.com/exploding- ... t-or-myth/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
(or maybe not)

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 8:50 am

This site's quite good, but not sure what type of person would think of checking online for Xmas safety tips.

https://fisd.oxfordshire.gov.uk/kb5/oxf ... iOJ1fGtHmU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Beware of your Christmas tree. That Norwegian spruce is not as innocent as it looks.

Typical Christmas Day accidents include parents accidentally stabbing themselves with scissors, which they've used to assemble toys, instead of using a screwdriver. People often cut themselves with knives when they're opening presents too quickly. People also trip over toys and electric cables while rushing to try their new computers and other appliances.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 9:31 am

Mr gilsey had to go to A&E eye casualty once after being poked in the eye by a Christmas tree.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 9:55 am

adam wrote:
Lewis was asked by the BBC how he could be sure it was Green, now the first secretary of state, who accessed the images. He said: “The computer was in Mr Green’s office, on his desk, logged in, his account, his name. “In between browsing pornography, he was sending emails from his account, his personal account, reading documents ... it was ridiculous to suggest anybody else could have done it.”

How stupid do you have to be to do that? This is a cabinet minister.

I confess to feeling slightly uneasy about a retired copper spilling the beans to the media though.

Assuming it was reported to Cameron at the time, it's actually yet another cockup to be laid at his door.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 9:59 am

gilsey wrote:
adam wrote:
Lewis was asked by the BBC how he could be sure it was Green, now the first secretary of state, who accessed the images. He said: “The computer was in Mr Green’s office, on his desk, logged in, his account, his name. “In between browsing pornography, he was sending emails from his account, his personal account, reading documents ... it was ridiculous to suggest anybody else could have done it.”
How stupid do you have to be to do that? This is a cabinet minister.

I confess to feeling slightly uneasy about a retired copper spilling the beans to the media though.

Assuming it was reported to Cameron at the time, it's actually yet another cockup to be laid at his door.

Not your best ever choice of words gilsey

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 10:21 am

Don't you think so?

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 10:32 am

""""""PaulfromYorkshire@gilsey""adam"]

Lewis was asked by the BBC how he could be sure it was Green, now the first secretary of state, who accessed the images. He said: “The computer was in Mr Green’s office, on his desk, logged in, his account, his name. “In between browsing pornography, he was sending emails from his account, his personal account, reading documents ... it was ridiculous to suggest anybody else could have done it.”

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How stupid do you have to be to do that? This is a cabinet minister.

I confess to feeling slightly uneasy about a retired copper spilling the beans to the media though.

Assuming it was reported to Cameron at the time, it's actually yet another cockup to be laid at his door.[/quote]
Not your best ever choice of words gilsey

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Hehe! Not going to spend all morning on it, but I think(?) Quick has denied being the original leaker, just 'confirming' it to the STimes ..

.A statement prepared by Bob Quick, a former assistant commissioner at the Metropolitan police, claimed the material was discovered by officers during an inquiry into government leaks in which Green was embroiled in 2008.

Quick, who headed the leak investigation, confirmed to The Sunday Times yesterday that his officers had reported finding “extreme” pornographic material on a parliamentary computer from Green’s office.

Green then attacks Quick , and Lewis confirms the original story (whoever leaked it).

Murky! Now back to biz .

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 10:38 am

Once poked myself in the eye with a blunt stick as a comparative exercise,turned out to be true in that case.
Not really.
Or did I?

Post by **adam** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 10:41 am

HindleA wrote:Once poked myself in the eye with a blunt stick as a comparative exercise,turned out to be true in that case.
Not really.
Or did I?

My daughter, when about 2 or 3, decided to have 'experiment day' which involved first eating a few berries from a bush in the garden (call to poisons line, monitor carefully, probably fine, was fine) and then washing her eyes with soap (rinse rinse "EYES EYES EYES" rinse rinse repeat &c)

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 10:48 am

Once used pinking shears on a dangly bit.I am very glad I cannot recall incident or aftermath.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 10:51 am

HindleA wrote:Once used pinking shears on a dangly bit.I am very glad I cannot recall incident or aftermath.

Well, at least it shouldn't fray.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 11:02 am

How's it going on the old impact assessment front?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 11:20 am

Willow904 wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-de ... e-42180763

Derby cordoned-off Christmas tree 'an embarrassment'
It's more than an embarrassment, it's a strategic disaster, cutting Christmas shoppers off from seating and rubbish bins. You've really got to question the ability of local councils sometimes. We have Christmas every year. Surely they must have worked out the best spot for a tree by now?!

Derby council unfortunately has rather long standing "competence" issues.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 11:22 am

Willow904 wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-de ... e-42180763

Derby cordoned-off Christmas tree 'an embarrassment'
It's more than an embarrassment, it's a strategic disaster, cutting Christmas shoppers off from seating and rubbish bins. You've really got to question the ability of local councils sometimes. We have Christmas every year. Surely they must have worked out the best spot for a tree by now?!

a happy Christmas requires thorough inconvenience
I think it's a law

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 11:23 am

Good-morning, everyone

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 11:29 am

gilsey wrote:Mr gilsey had to go to A&E eye casualty once after being poked in the eye by a Christmas tree.

It's a universal occurrence, it seems
Family, friends, acquaintances, strangers, apocryphal tales involving unfortunate encounters with Christmas trees
edited to add - I know many who've unintentionally hurt themselves with a Christmas tree

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 11:29 am

As mentioned last night, a LibDem clean sweep in the four byelection contests this week - two of their wins were widely expected, the other two rather less so.

Some of the usual suspects already trying to claim this was "about Brexit", though......

(NARRATOR'S VOICE: it wasn't)

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 11:33 am

PorFavor wrote:How's it going on the old impact assessment front?

They're waiting for you to write them. Yes, really.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 11:37 am

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/govt-to- ... e-11151049" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Govt to stay in EU air safety body in blurring of Brexit red line

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 11:40 am

Has SH got a new G profile?
Spotted this chap raising the flag for Liz Kendall so went to his page to check posting history - its a one man Liz Kendall campaign! Wonder if Liz knows?

https://profile.theguardian.com/user/id/18318048?page=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 11:42 am

HindleA wrote:Once used pinking shears on a dangly bit.I am very glad I cannot recall incident or aftermath.

I walked on hot coals left outside when I was a few years old
I wasn't hurt

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 11:47 am

citizenJA wrote:
PorFavor wrote:How's it going on the old impact assessment front?
They're waiting for you to write them. Yes, really.

They should have said! Right-ho. Should only take me a few minutes to knock them off. Easiest thing in history . . .

Stagger Lee · Post by **Stagger Lee** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 12:05 pm

Andrew Mitchell defending Green is bizarre. Surely the legality of the porn is irrelevant. In most jobs Just having it on your computer would result in an instant suspension and almost certain dismissal.

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 12:11 pm

Hello.

Meet Piers. Piers was the only boy in his class who couldn't figure out the villain in Scooby-Doo.

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tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 12:11 pm

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politic ... 07546.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"Brexit Secretary David Davis in threat to quit over Damian Green 'porn' storm"

A mutual friend of Mr Davis and Mr Green said: “David would find it quite difficult to stay in his job and not resign if Damian was pushed out because of anything related to what happened 10 years ago.”
The friend said the warning had been passed to the Prime Minister “in words of one syllable”, adding: “David has been absolutely fabulous to Damian in what are quite trying circumstances. He has put his cloak around him to that extent.”

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 12:12 pm

Two birds with one stone........

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 12:21 pm

I think this (or at least in outline) appeared yesterday, but here's today's coverage -

Sadiq Khan to take control of London Stadium after critical review

The mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, is to take over control of the London Stadium, it has been announced.

An independent review was published on Friday morning, which said there had been “a catalogue of errors” that led to massively increased conversion costs after the 2012 Olympics. It criticised a “bungled decision that has left the taxpayer to foot an annual loss of around £20m” over what is now West Ham United’s home ground. (Guardian)

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/ ... on-stadium

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 12:34 pm

Clearing up BoJo's mess again?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 12:58 pm

https://communitylivingforeurope.org" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Community Living for Europe: Structural Funds Watch

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 1:01 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Has SH got a new G profile?
Spotted this chap raising the flag for Liz Kendall so went to his page to check posting history - its a one man Liz Kendall campaign! Wonder if Liz knows?

https://profile.theguardian.com/user/id/18318048?page=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Link's not working.

I did read a few comments at the G reader's edition today and did notice a few pro-Kendall posts. Made me wonder where she went. Andy Burnham's now Mayor of Manchester, Yvette Cooper is chair of the home affairs select committee and Owen Smith is shadow secretary of state for Northern Ireland. Liz, on the other hand, seems to have melted away almost entirely.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 1:02 pm

https://www.london.gov.uk/about-us/mayo ... ic-stadium" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.london.gov.uk/press-release ... in-2017-18" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 1:27 pm

HindleA wrote:https://www.london.gov.uk/about-us/mayo ... ic-stadium

https://www.london.gov.uk/press-release ... in-2017-18" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The words "Boris Johnson" (and not to his credit) crop up a lot in the report, don't they?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 1:43 pm

I've just received an e-mail telling me this:

"You’re now signed up for Guardian Today"

Must have pressed something without realising it. Still, it could have been worse . . .

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 1:59 pm

David Davis has just been heard muttering, "Please, please, please let Damian Green be sacked."

Edited - typo

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 2:32 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ing-to-fbi" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Trump’s ex-national security adviser Michael Flynn charged with lying to FBI
Flynn has been charged with lying about his contacts with Russia’s ambassador to the United States, and a plea hearing is set for Friday

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 2:38 pm

http://www.livenewson.com/american/cnn-news-usa.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 2:45 pm

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/01/polit ... index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 2:55 pm

Appearing in 35 minutes,expected to plead guilty.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 2:56 pm

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Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 3:07 pm

Thanks Willow I've just read the whole series of Tweets from Abramson. Very interesting indeed.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 3:18 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/football/li ... ussia-live" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 3:18 pm

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 3:33 pm

http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/node/24735" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The disability employment gap - warm words and cold hearts

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 3:49 pm

Willow904 wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:Has SH got a new G profile?
Spotted this chap raising the flag for Liz Kendall so went to his page to check posting history - its a one man Liz Kendall campaign! Wonder if Liz knows?

https://profile.theguardian.com/user/id/18318048?page=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Link's not working.

I did read a few comments at the G reader's edition today and did notice a few pro-Kendall posts. Made me wonder where she went. Andy Burnham's now Mayor of Manchester, Yvette Cooper is chair of the home affairs select committee and Owen Smith is shadow secretary of state for Northern Ireland. Liz, on the other hand, seems to have melted away almost entirely.

Mostly to the This Week sofa these days, it appears.....

Still feel a bit bad about her getting 4.5% tbh - it was far from all her fault by any means (though she did make a few very bad calls)

She was "advised" by some truly terrible people.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 3:55 pm

So what I read about the Mike Flynn hearing is that the case presented against him is so limited that it's indicative that he's entered into some kind of deal to spill the beans on Trump.

Fingers and everything crossed

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 01 Dec, 2017 4:07 pm