Monday 4th December 2017
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Monday 4th December 2017
Morning all.
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@frog222
Thanks for link to Stephen Bush articles,
I'd read one a couple no days ago, but forgotten who it was by,
But interesting where he suggests the DUP aren't bluffing
(A minority view),and would be prepared to end up with a Corbym government if necessary
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/s ... government" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"Could the Irish border bring down the Conservative government?"
and more recent
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/s ... heresa-may" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"What are the risks for the DUP if it pulls the plug on Theresa May?"
Thanks for link to Stephen Bush articles,
I'd read one a couple no days ago, but forgotten who it was by,
But interesting where he suggests the DUP aren't bluffing
(A minority view),and would be prepared to end up with a Corbym government if necessary
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/s ... government" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"Could the Irish border bring down the Conservative government?"
and more recent
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/s ... heresa-may" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"What are the risks for the DUP if it pulls the plug on Theresa May?"
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I love it when the url is all you need to know
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ireland-no-go-ahead-for-brexit-talks-to-move-on
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Morning
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Brilliant!HindleA wrote:Morning
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https://www.jrf.org.uk/report/uk-poverty-2017" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The post in response to mine that is - not the poverty.
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On a part of last night's discussion - this is good, from 2014
America's Most Gerrymandered Districts
America's Most Gerrymandered Districts
I still believe in a town called Hope
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The Trouble with Politicians Sharing Passwords
The Trouble with Politicians Sharing Passwords
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BBC news described JRF as a 'left-leaning think tank' just now.HindleA wrote:Morning
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Yesterday on the Milburn story the line was, his term had expired in the summer, so was this sour grapes or political point-scoring?
The possibility that he was drawing attention to facts, wasn't discussed.
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That's pretty comprehensive.HindleA wrote:https://www.troyhunt.com/the-trouble-wi ... passwords/
The Trouble with Politicians Sharing Passwords
My own thought was, surely Green's situation is the best argument you can have for not sharing your password.
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I mostly wonder how come he didn't notice copious amounts of porn downloaded on his computer until the police drew his attention to it. Because if he did notice there'd be a record of him reporting the breech to IT, one would assume. Interestingly no one seems to be disputing that there was porn on the computer (despite accusing the police of a witch hunt) which would tally more closely with his being innocent and unfairly accused, but instead going with the "it could have been someone else, you can't prove it was him approach". Because sharing passwords and not having a clue what other people are doing on your PC is all fine and dandy? We've gone from one minister in an embarrassing situation, to a whole host of Tory MPs admitting general lack of cyber security awareness and incompetence at the most basic level in order to cover up his embarrassing situation/astounding lack of cyber security and awareness of what was on his own computer. It's kind of funny, in a head-in-hands-omg-they're-running-the-country! kind of way.gilsey wrote:That's pretty comprehensive.HindleA wrote:https://www.troyhunt.com/the-trouble-wi ... passwords/
The Trouble with Politicians Sharing Passwords
My own thought was, surely Green's situation is the best argument you can have for not sharing your password.
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BREAKING: UK will concede that there will be no "regulatory divergence" on the island of Ireland on the single market and customs union, acc to a draft text seen by @rtenews
11:16 am · 4 Dec 2017
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Faisal Islam on Twitter
Ahead of Barnier consultation with European Parliament, source here in Brussels: “Ireland completely blocked - no progress”
Ahead of Barnier consultation with European Parliament, source here in Brussels: “Ireland completely blocked - no progress”
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So where will the regulatory divergence be?Willow904 wrote:Tony Connelly
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BREAKING: UK will concede that there will be no "regulatory divergence" on the island of Ireland on the single market and customs union, acc to a draft text seen by @rtenews
11:16 am · 4 Dec 2017
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This is the only place I've seen this story so far but, if true, the implications are massive:
https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2017/120 ... otiations/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2017/120 ... otiations/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The UK has conceded to EU negotiators that there will be no divergence of the rules covering the EU single market and customs union on the island of Ireland post Brexit, according to a draft negotiating text seen by RTÉ News.
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The draft text on Ireland has since been updated to include the phrase "continued regulatory alignment" rather than "no regulatory divergence", acc to well-placed sources
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The draft text on Ireland has since been updated to include the phrase "continued regulatory alignment" rather than "no regulatory divergence", acc to well-placed sources
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Morning all.
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Not sure how this will go down with the DUP...David Allen Green
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So we may have at last part of the answer to the question of "what does Brexit mean"?
If - if - reports are correct, Brexit means part of the UK in effect remaining in the Single Market.
Here "alignment" is the new all-important Brexit word.
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I'm finding this all quite exciting. If I lived in parts of NI I would be terrified!
I'm finding this all quite exciting. If I lived in parts of NI I would be terrified!
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The implication is the border will be the Irish Sea. Arlene Foster's strong words recently against such a solution appear to have been prompted by a sense that this was the way things were going. It is, in fact, the only way Theresa May can move negotiations on, so is plausible. The argument will be that this is a policy of last resort and the plan is still to use phantom technology and fairy tales to give everyone what they want, I suspect.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:So where will the regulatory divergence be?Willow904 wrote:Tony Connelly
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BREAKING: UK will concede that there will be no "regulatory divergence" on the island of Ireland on the single market and customs union, acc to a draft text seen by @rtenews
11:16 am · 4 Dec 2017
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Good-afternoon, everyone
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unbelievable
unbelievable
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Good to see that they're regarding Parliamentary sovereignty as being top of their priorities...Sam Coates TimesVerified account
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NEW: At 4pm Gavin Barwell and Steve Baker are going to address Tory MPs in a committee room about the EU negotiation. (I suspect the Speaker would prefer it was a statement to Parliament but hey)
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(cJA emphasis)Steven McCaffery @SMcC_TheDetail
The DUP's Sammy Wilson on @BBCTalkback comes out against regulatory alignment on island of Ireland in draft #Brexit deal and says it would be vetoed at Stormont (presumably by DUP), even though there is no Stormont. Declines to speculate on deal with UK Govt.
12:19 PM - Dec 4, 2017
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talking to a room of Tories alone isn't acceptableRogerOThornhill wrote:Good to see that they're regarding Parliamentary sovereignty as being top of their priorities...Sam Coates TimesVerified account
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NEW: At 4pm Gavin Barwell and Steve Baker are going to address Tory MPs in a committee room about the EU negotiation. (I suspect the Speaker would prefer it was a statement to Parliament but hey)
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The list of things US and UK leadership should be working on for the benefit of people and world is huge
they've chosen to ignore what is good and devote themselves to failure
they've chosen to ignore what is good and devote themselves to failure
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Pretty much this...
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Reminder that the UK started the Brexit negotiations offering no transition period, 20 billion euros maximum, and no special arrangements for NI. Now it’s 2/3 years transition, 60 billion euros, and special arrangements for NI. The Art Of The Deal, by Theresa May.
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Unfortunately, its anything but.
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<hysterical laughter emoticon>"That is not our understanding of the UK Government's position."
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I mean it's not credible, their excusesAnatolyKasparov wrote:Unfortunately, its anything but.
this is silly
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This is not going to end well...
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Lord Trimble 'I'm scratching my head', but if details of what we expect are right, 'it's a thoroughly bad idea'
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For some reason I have that old football chant "you don't know what you're doing" stuck in my head right now.
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Zing!
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If one part of UK can retain regulatory alignment with EU and effectively stay in the single market (which is the right solution for Northern Ireland) there is surely no good practical reason why others can’t.
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She wants a hard border between England and Scotland? Or the whole UK to stay in?
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I think they do know. The scale of the climbdown is so spectacular, they have to obfuscate and look silly.AnatolyKasparov wrote:For some reason I have that old football chant "you don't know what you're doing" stuck in my head right now.
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why are unelected blowhards given interviews with media while our elected leaders run riot?
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She wants to highlight the absurdity of the situation, I'd say.Tubby Isaacs wrote:She wants a hard border between England and Scotland? Or the whole UK to stay in?
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Because the BBC in particular have become complacent and lazy? That matters at least as much as any actual bias, tbh.citizenJA wrote:why are unelected blowhards given interviews with media while our elected leaders run riot?
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ATOS, Maximus and Capita questioned on ‘gruelling’ medical assessments
"Neither contractor has, at any point in the PIP contract, met the performance target of 3% of reports deemed "unacceptable".
Capita's own auditing found that at points in the contract almost 60% of its reports were "unacceptable"."
ATOS, Maximus and Capita questioned on ‘gruelling’ medical assessments
"Neither contractor has, at any point in the PIP contract, met the performance target of 3% of reports deemed "unacceptable".
Capita's own auditing found that at points in the contract almost 60% of its reports were "unacceptable"."
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Well said, Andrew!Robert Peston says Theresa May is “taking the risk of her political life”. (He’s forgotten about about the election, obviously.)
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Oh dear...
I wonder how many of those 17.4m people thought this was going to be easy?Nigel FarageVerified account
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This UK Government’s bitter betrayal of 17.4 million people today is a concession too far, for it will lead to endless problems in Scotland and it damages the integrity of the United Kingdom.
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Well a lot of them were told it would be by the likes of him
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So what happens now?
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"Northern Ireland must leave the EU on the same terms as the rest of the UK, we will not accept any form of regulatory divergence" - DUP leader Arlene Foster on #Brexit talks http://bbc.in/2BGUOJl" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Oh. This happens...from the ex head of the FCO...
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If we concede “regulatory alignment” in Ireland, and there can be no border within the UK, then surely this dramatically curtails scope for UK free trade agreements with others like US? #Brexit
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Fair point.gilsey wrote:She wants to highlight the absurdity of the situation, I'd say.Tubby Isaacs wrote:She wants a hard border between England and Scotland? Or the whole UK to stay in?
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It's one in the eye for chlorinated chicken etc. I suppose if we're concentrating on services, not a big problem.RogerOThornhill wrote:Oh. This happens...from the ex head of the FCO...
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If we concede “regulatory alignment” in Ireland, and there can be no border within the UK, then surely this dramatically curtails scope for UK free trade agreements with others like US? #Brexit
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Northern Ireland could have uniquely positive status, open to the UK and EU. It's unionists (apart from the Alliance) would rather arse about with flags.