"...we need to get used to a new political construct: "FUK"....
It stands for the Former United Kingdom."
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Monday 4th December 2017
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A 3-bed semi in beautiful Newcastle, County Down at £150,000 suddenly sounds quite attractive
[Not really. I'm horrified that, predictably, NI has become a political football again]
[Not really. I'm horrified that, predictably, NI has become a political football again]
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This squaddies' expression of fifty odd years ago covers it all :
" The biggest fuckup since Dunkirk ! "
As you were
" The biggest fuckup since Dunkirk ! "
As you were
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Seriously now, WTF is going on?????
"IS TONTY BLAIR BEHIND THIS???!!!!111???!!!"
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The scramble for UK regions to remain in the Single Market and Customs Union
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No deal today, the pound fell
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Well. That was easy, wasn't it?
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Good morfternoon.
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Psst Only because it had gone up a cent on some expectation of a Magic Solution .citizenJA wrote:No deal today, the pound fell
( Or a few bank dealers had a ring going . I've seen that .)
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Money for old rope !PorFavor wrote:Well. That was easy, wasn't it?
All the participants are being well-paid for er .... whatever
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Strong and Stable.
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Hearing it was the DUP call that sunk today's chances of a deal - Foster held her press conf, 20 mins later May leaves talks with Juncker to call her, goes back into the room and the deal is off
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What'd they have for lunch?PorFavor wrote:Well. That was easy, wasn't it?
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Apart from many other things, the DUP don't seem to understand the simple fact that borders tend to have at least two sides.
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Well glad that's all settled then
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Lest we forget...
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Britain faces a simple and inescapable choice - stability and strong Government with me, or chaos with Ed Miliband:
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In the Commons a Labour MP, Peter Kyle, used a point of order to ask about the Brexit talks. He saidJohn Bercow, the Commons speaker, said he had been told May would be making a statement to the Commons about the deal this week and had expected it tomorrow.This is a shambles that puts into perspective the constitutional settlement for our country here. Can we expect her [Theresa May] to make a statement tomorrow?
(Now it will probably come later, once the deal has been finalised.)
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It's gotten cold, the temperature just dropped
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Evergreen.RogerOThornhill wrote:Lest we forget...
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Britain faces a simple and inescapable choice - stability and strong Government with me, or chaos with Ed Miliband:
One world, like it or not - John Martyn
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I am certainly not a fan of the DUP, but it would be unfair of them to be scapegoated for this.
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Works by artist who died in Grenfell fire to be shown at Cambridge gallery
Works by artist who died in Grenfell fire to be shown at Cambridge gallery
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The key to a great Christmas film: misery and mayhem
The key to a great Christmas film: misery and mayhem
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Oh God. Mr Wetherspoons is on Sky TV News ("Brexit"). To add insult to injury, he pronounces "poverty" as "poverdee" (like Smashy and Nicey's "charidee").
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I feel that this is an appropriate soundtrack for today's events -
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Indeed, it wouldn't have got passed Tory backbenchers.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:I am certainly not a fan of the DUP, but it would be unfair of them to be scapegoated for this.
It's quite handy for May to say "we didn't get enough seats, the electorate spoke, and move on to Soft Brexit.
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May's also bought a bit of time here. Hard for anybody to argue the UK aren't trying. I thought we'd be out on ears with plunging markets by now.
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Interesting study from Leeds University
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From the Huddersfield Examiner
We’re pleased to announce that we have booked the National Coal Mining Museum as the venue for the [Dewsbury Conservative] Association Annual Dinner on March 10th, with MP for Tatton and Deputy Chief Whip, Esther McVey, confirmed as guest speaker.
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"Speaker",maybe pushing it a bit.
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I'm sure she'll manage to shout "get on your bikes you commie scum" at any former miners she encountersHindleA wrote:"Speaker",maybe pushing it a bit.
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Soft brexit being back to something like the Norway option ...?Tubby Isaacs wrote:Indeed, it wouldn't have got passed Tory backbenchers.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:I am certainly not a fan of the DUP, but it would be unfair of them to be scapegoated for this.
It's quite handy for May to say "we didn't get enough seats, the electorate spoke, and move on to Soft Brexit.
(that was off-the-cuff reaction , correct if rubbish !)
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And to be fair Scotland and London did vote Remain.https://www.theguardian.com/politics/bl ... itics-live" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Scotland, Wales and London all united in demanding same EU deal as Northern Ireland.
How about a deal where the Remain constituencies remain and the leave constituencies leave and then we've all listened to the will of the people and there'll be scary amounts of opportunities for the administrative services sector growth.
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Something like that, with some immigration stuff the members can also do.
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Tubby am guessing that was to frog222 (sensible) not me (captain sensible)
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First the Pet Shop Boys and now this. I can't think what I've done to deserve this persecution . . .tinyclanger2 wrote:And to be fair Scotland and London did vote Remain.https://www.theguardian.com/politics/bl ... itics-live" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Scotland, Wales and London all united in demanding same EU deal as Northern Ireland.
How about a deal where the Remain constituencies remain and the leave constituencies leave and then we've all listened to the will of the people and there'll be scary amounts of opportunities for the administrative services sector growth.
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Hear opposition had been told to expect a 'major statement' from the PM in Commons tomorrow that could last several hours - now cancelled
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Oh, I don't know. She could have done a reprise of the "nothing has changed" number.RogerOThornhill wrote:Yes, that might have fallen flat somewhat.Laura KuenssbergVerified account
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Hear opposition had been told to expect a 'major statement' from the PM in Commons tomorrow that could last several hours - now cancelled
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Perhaps Dublin agreed to the meaningless ” regulatory alignment ” cooked up by the civil servants because they knew the DUP would reject it ?
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I honestly don't understand how anyone could have been optimistic.
And genuinely I don't think the DUP are to blame here. The idea that the UK would change the whole political course of Northern Ireland simply to solve a problem with Brexit seems just weird to me.
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I honestly don't understand how anyone could have been optimistic.
And genuinely I don't think the DUP are to blame here. The idea that the UK would change the whole political course of Northern Ireland simply to solve a problem with Brexit seems just weird to me.
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I think they agreed to it because it's what there has to be. Simple as.frog222 wrote:Perhaps Dublin agreed to the meaningless ” regulatory alignment ” cooked up by the civil servants because they knew the DUP would reject it ?
The rest of your surmising is probably also true though
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Hehe
(to the idea that Dublin might possibly be politicians who had heard of M Machiavelli ..)
Edited to add the Crace -------------------
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"" Theresa had another go. How about we say that pigs, cheese and a few cows are allowed to wander across the border without a passport? ""
(The Aherne proposal of er TWO? days ago .)
(to the idea that Dublin might possibly be politicians who had heard of M Machiavelli ..)
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"" Theresa had another go. How about we say that pigs, cheese and a few cows are allowed to wander across the border without a passport? ""
(The Aherne proposal of er TWO? days ago .)
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ironic from the organization that normalized Johnson, Farage, the BNP and now Britain First.https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/ ... investment" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
BBC launches Own It website to help under-12s navigate online risks
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good movehttps://www.theguardian.com/environment ... -cut-waste" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Co-op to sell food past its 'best before' date in bid to cut waste
Goods such as pasta, crisps and rice will be cut to 10p and sold for a further month at East of England Co-op
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More than 700 fewer nurses training in England in first year after NHS bursary scrapped
Comes as NHS improvement figures show 36,000 nurse and midwife vacancies across the NHS
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Rowson on the sunny uplands of Brexit Land part 327:
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Oh. and Gibraltar also want NI special deal (NI, Wales, London, Scotland and Gibraltar so far). Maybe Birmingham, Boston and Portsmouth will also want the special deal?
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Oh. and Gibraltar also want NI special deal (NI, Wales, London, Scotland and Gibraltar so far). Maybe Birmingham, Boston and Portsmouth will also want the special deal?
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More on the sharing of passwords...this time from the government's digital chief. Shortened version - Don't do it!
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Night night.
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Here's Corbyn's reaction.
I'd be wary in fingering the DUP too much. Say the Tories blocked it. Which is also true. Swap those DUP for 10 more Tory MPs and it's still not going through.Jeremy CorbynVerified account
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The reason for today’s failure in the Brexit talks is the grubby deal the Tories did with the DUP after the election. Each passing day provides further evidence that @Theresa_May’s Government is completely ill-equipped to negotiate a successful deal for our country.