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Author:  refitman [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 7:10 am ]
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Morning all.

Author:  tinybgoat [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 7:39 am ]
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42255840
"Big 'end state' Brexit discussion looming for PM"

Author:  tinyclanger2 [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 8:08 am ]
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Depressing juxtaposition on the front of the G:

Quote:
https://www.theguardian.com/voluntary-s ... t-strategy
UK charities will lose £258m of EU money after Brexit. Where's the plan?

here it is
Quote:
David Davis escapes MPs’ criticism over lack of Brexit assessments
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ssessments

Author:  PaulfromYorkshire [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 8:27 am ]
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tinybgoat wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42255840
"Big 'end state' Brexit discussion looming for PM"

Actually quite a good piece from Laura Kuenssberg.

Author:  NonOxCol [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 8:42 am ]
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Morning.

Even with 280 characters you could only scratch the surface of the multiple things wrong with both quote and journalist:

https://twitter.com/Nick_Pettigrew/stat ... 2266902528

Author:  NonOxCol [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 8:52 am ]
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https://twitter.com/RhonddaBryant/statu ... 0542632960

Less important than Bath Spa University.

Author:  PaulfromYorkshire [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 9:38 am ]
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Author:  RogerOThornhill [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 9:41 am ]
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Morning all.

Now that the Brexit committee has decided that Davis should simply walk away from this, maybe someone will pick it up in the HoC itself.

It really does beggar belief that no impact assessments have been done - what on earth has his department been doing for the past 18 months?

Author:  gilsey [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 9:49 am ]
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Lords EU Committee seems to have been spending it's time usefully, in contrast.

https://twitter.com/StevePeers/status/9 ... 9667364864

http://www.parliament.uk/business/commi ... published/

Author:  HindleA [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 9:49 am ]
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http://www.parliament.uk/business/news/ ... in-israel/


Urgent Question on President Trump's decision to move the US embassy in Israel

Author:  gilsey [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 9:56 am ]
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The conclusion of the Lords report, calling for an extension to the A50 period.
Quote:
141.There is still a risk of a chaotic ‘no deal’ Brexit, and for the reasons we have set out in this report, we are not confident that a legally certain and binding transition deal can be reached by March 2018, the point at which the existing uncertainty is likely to inflict more serious damage on the UK economy. While the EU as a whole may appear to have less to lose, specific sectors and regions in the EU could also pay a heavy price for this uncertainty.

142.While we reiterate our support for the Government’s goal of securing a comprehensive agreement by October 2018, the uncertainty over the feasibility of that aim means that the overriding UK and EU interest is now to secure an orderly and legally certain transition, as early as possible. To this end, we call on the Government, alongside its consideration of the legal basis for transition, to review the options for securing a time-limited extension to the UK’s EU membership that are legally available under Article 50; to open discussions on these options with the EU negotiators; and to report its conclusions to Parliament at the earliest opportunity, and at all events before the end of March 2018.

Author:  PaulfromYorkshire [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 10:07 am ]
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Charlotte Leslie to join Celebrity Big Brother :lol:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/5 ... e-tory-mp/

Author:  HindleA [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 10:17 am ]
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https://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2017 ... ative.html



Has Ireland scuppered Brexit?


Mainlymacro

"Perhaps before we formally leave the EU, enough Conservative MPs (and despite all the noise from some Remainers about Corbyn, it is Conservative MPs who matter) will put country before party and call for a second referendum. Ireland increases that possibility, but from the evidence so far I do not see it happening."

Author:  AnatolyKasparov [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 10:23 am ]
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
Charlotte Leslie to join Celebrity Big Brother :lol:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/5 ... e-tory-mp/


Isn't that stretching the definition of "celebrity" just a tad? ;)

Author:  PorFavor [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 10:33 am ]
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@AnatolyKapsarov

Sorry to have taken so long to get back to you -

Yesterday, you asked me a question about John Curtice.

It's not so much what he says but more the way that he says it. It's all rather subjective, I'm afraid. Although I admit he is better than most, and is undoubtedly very intelligent.

Author:  PorFavor [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 10:34 am ]
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Good morfternoon.

Author:  gilsey [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 10:37 am ]
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Also re Curtice, apologies for missing out the link yesterday. The report pdf here

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/wp-content/ ... ations.pdf

Author:  HindleA [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 10:57 am ]
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"How's it feel coming home?"

"Home's South London,mate"


:D

Author:  frog222 [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 10:58 am ]
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
Charlotte Leslie to join Celebrity Big Brother :lol:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/5 ... e-tory-mp/


Isn't that stretching the definition of "celebrity" just a tad? ;)


Living in rural Lower Normandy, with no TV, I am blissfully ignorant of nearly all 'celebrities' :-)

Author:  gilsey [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 11:06 am ]
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HindleA wrote:
"How's it feel coming home?"

"Home's South London,mate"


:D

Thanks for the translation, I couldn't catch it at all. :D

Author:  frog222 [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 11:38 am ]
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House of Lords Impact Assessments

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/l ... /46/46.pdf

Page 12 example --

Quote:
The British Retail Consortium warned that the average tariff on food products
imported from the EU would be 22%, with tariffs on Irish cheddar of 44% and
on beef of 40%. Its research pointed to potential rises in the price of cheese
in the order of 6–32%, on tomatoes of 9–18%, and on beef of 5–29%. Non-
tariff barriers would be burdensome in relation to customs checks, and health
or veterinary checks stemming from sanitary and phytosanitary requirements.


Saboteurs !

Author:  gilsey [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 11:48 am ]
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frog222 wrote:
House of Lords Impact Assessments

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/l ... /46/46.pdf

Page 12 example --

Quote:
The British Retail Consortium warned that the average tariff on food products
imported from the EU would be 22%, with tariffs on Irish cheddar of 44% and
on beef of 40%. Its research pointed to potential rises in the price of cheese
in the order of 6–32%, on tomatoes of 9–18%, and on beef of 5–29%. Non-
tariff barriers would be burdensome in relation to customs checks, and health
or veterinary checks stemming from sanitary and phytosanitary requirements.


Saboteurs !

I imagine they have significantly fewer resources available to them than DExEU has, too.

Author:  AnatolyKasparov [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 12:21 pm ]
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PorFavor wrote:
@AnatolyKapsarov

Sorry to have taken so long to get back to you -

Yesterday, you asked me a question about John Curtice.

It's not so much what he says but more the way that he says it. It's all rather subjective, I'm afraid. Although I admit he is better than most, and is undoubtedly very intelligent.


Thank you for replying, these things are always subjective I suppose :)

Author:  HindleA [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 12:59 pm ]
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"Hammond's comments that disabled people's engagement in the workforce is reducing productivity is entirely contrary to evidence which shows disabled people have far better retention & lower sickness/absence rates than average. In case anyone was in doubt."


Indeed.

Author:  AnatolyKasparov [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 1:04 pm ]
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HindleA wrote:
"Hammond's comments that disabled people's engagement in the workforce is reducing productivity is entirely contrary to evidence which shows disabled people have far better retention & lower sickness/absence rates than average. In case anyone was in doubt."

Indeed.


I did not actually know this, thanks for the info.

Author:  HindleA [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 1:06 pm ]
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Claudia Wood.

Author:  HindleA [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 1:17 pm ]
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CW

"someone should also mention the many many disabled people who, while not in paid employment, have really active civic lives, volunteer 10s of hours a week, & generally make much bigger contributions to their communities than the majority of us."


Whilst being slagged off.The sitting at home misrepresentation annoys me no end.

Author:  RogerOThornhill [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 1:26 pm ]
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Afternoon all. Fun and games with our swimming class this morning after dropping the chemo patient off for her dose.

Thread on the religious aspect of Trump's recognition of Jerusalem as the Israeli capital.

https://twitter.com/dianabutlerbass/sta ... 8488171520

Author:  AnatolyKasparov [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 3:01 pm ]
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Another pause, I see ;)

Damn freezing again, isn't it?

Author:  AngryAsWell [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 3:15 pm ]
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Another pause, I see ;)

Damn freezing again, isn't it?



Snow & hail here :( got to go out to pick OH up from train as well - double :(

Author:  PaulfromYorkshire [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 3:16 pm ]
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Former Chancellor George Osborne says "I don't rule it out" a return to Parliament as an MP. #pressgallery lunch

Author:  AnatolyKasparov [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 3:18 pm ]
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
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Former Chancellor George Osborne says "I don't rule it out" a return to Parliament as an MP. #pressgallery lunch


Joy of joys :mrgreen:

Author:  HindleA [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 3:21 pm ]
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I'll warm up later,going into cold storage.

Author:  adam [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 3:24 pm ]
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HindleA wrote:
I'll warm up later,going into cold storage.


Not too bad in the west midlands yet but dropping all the time and freezing all of tomorrow by the look of things.

Author:  adam [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 3:36 pm ]
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This is our third year in a new build - the old school was two buildings on a site but the kids had to move between them regularly and the site genuinely became quite dangerous in snow and ice (because you can't trust or expect children to act responsibly in snow) - this new build is all one building and once they're here they hardly need to go outside at all - we've had about one 'snow day' every three years since I've been here but I can't see it being likely now unless it's so bad that staff can't come and go safely. (although, I have to say, that I live further away than almost anyone and rely on public transport but I have always got here on days when we've closed - in fact I have to set off too early to get the message so tended to arrive to be told we were closed).

Author:  frog222 [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 3:40 pm ]
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Adam -- commendable :-)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/ ... WEB-P1.png

Author:  HindleA [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 3:56 pm ]
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http://press.labour.org.uk/post/1682904 ... ecision-to

Labour Press
Barbara Keeley comment on Government’s decision to abandon the care cost cap

Author:  Bonnylad [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 4:59 pm ]
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Kevin Schofield‏Verified account @PolhomeEditor
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Just bumped into a DUP MP, who told me: "We've got loads of Tories coming up to us saying 'keep going, hang in there'. Theresa's problems aren't with us, they're with her own side."

Author:  PaulfromYorkshire [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 5:15 pm ]
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Bonnylad wrote:
Kevin Schofield‏Verified account @PolhomeEditor
19m19 minutes ago

Just bumped into a DUP MP, who told me: "We've got loads of Tories coming up to us saying 'keep going, hang in there'. Theresa's problems aren't with us, they're with her own side."

Well indeed. I don't support the DUP's motives on this, but they are right.

Ripping up the fabric of the UK and it's relationship with Ireland is obviously, in the words of Starmer, "too high a price" for most people, even most Tory MPs!

Author:  RogerOThornhill [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 6:26 pm ]
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Back from chemo pick up. This got "top snark" from Chris Cook.

Quote:
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Incredible that the government has done an impact assessment on the the songs played by ice cream vans but not how Brexit will affect the NHS https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... ssment.pdf


:D

Author:  Bonnylad [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 7:05 pm ]
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https://www.facebook.com/BELFASTLAD/vid ... 959026358/

Author:  AnatolyKasparov [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 8:09 pm ]
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Rumours of a "big announcement" on the EU side tomorrow morning, then. Any guesses?

Author:  PorFavor [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 8:18 pm ]
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Rumours of a "big announcement" on the EU side tomorrow morning, then. Any guesses?


No.

Where did you pick this up, please?

Author:  PorFavor [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 9:05 pm ]
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Quote:
More than 800 senior Asda shopfloor staff face pay cut or redundancy

In document seen by the Guardian, retailer tells staff it needs to cut operating costs to ‘close price gap’ with rivals Aldi and Lidl

Store staff have been briefed this week on a proposal that could mean 842 section leaders being removed from its store management teams. Thousands of other workers will also be affected by a wider move to cut the number of hours spent on stacking and tidying shelves at 600 supermarkets. (Guardian)


https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/dec/07/more-than-800-senior-asda-shopfloor-staff-face-pay-cut-or-redundancy

Author:  PorFavor [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 9:09 pm ]
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Quote:
May poised for early morning dash to Brussels over Brexit

Work continuing through the night on a post-Brexit border deal that would satisfy the DUP and the Irish government

Margaritis Schinas

@MargSchinas

.@JunckerEU was on the phone with Taoiseach Leo Varadkar and then with @theresa_may. We are making progress but not yet fully there. Talks are continuing throughout the night. Early morning meeting possible with press/point thereafter. Tonight more than ever, stay tuned, gsms on.
7:35 PM - Dec 7, 2017 (Guardian)


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/07/theresa-may-edges-closer-to-deal-with-dup-over-post-brexit-irish-border

Author:  PaulfromYorkshire [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 9:29 pm ]
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PorFavor wrote:
Quote:
May poised for early morning dash to Brussels over Brexit

Work continuing through the night on a post-Brexit border deal that would satisfy the DUP and the Irish government

Margaritis Schinas

@MargSchinas

.@JunckerEU was on the phone with Taoiseach Leo Varadkar and then with @theresa_may. We are making progress but not yet fully there. Talks are continuing throughout the night. Early morning meeting possible with press/point thereafter. Tonight more than ever, stay tuned, gsms on.
7:35 PM - Dec 7, 2017 (Guardian)


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/07/theresa-may-edges-closer-to-deal-with-dup-over-post-brexit-irish-border

And we the great unwashed have not a clue what they are discussing. Not an idea of what of our democracy is being negotiated away by a bunch of spivs at 2 in the morning.

What is going on?

Author:  adam [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 9:33 pm ]
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I almost apologise for taking the tap-in when it's offered, but if we all agree that there can be no difference for the situation between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK then I look forward to all of the agreed sitting down in parliament together to regularise the law about abortion rights and LGBT rights tomorrow.

Author:  frog222 [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 9:48 pm ]
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
PorFavor wrote:
Quote:
May poised for early morning dash to Brussels over Brexit

Work continuing through the night on a post-Brexit border deal that would satisfy the DUP and the Irish government

Margaritis Schinas

@MargSchinas

.@JunckerEU was on the phone with Taoiseach Leo Varadkar and then with @theresa_may. We are making progress but not yet fully there. Talks are continuing throughout the night. Early morning meeting possible with press/point thereafter. Tonight more than ever, stay tuned, gsms on.
7:35 PM - Dec 7, 2017 (Guardian)


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/07/theresa-may-edges-closer-to-deal-with-dup-over-post-brexit-irish-border

And we the great unwashed have not a clue what they are discussing. Not an idea of what of our democracy is being negotiated away by a bunch of spivs at 2 in the morning.

What is going on?


ALSO, if we were to finish up with WTO terms, those would kill any sweet assurances on the border ?

Author:  AngryAsWell [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 10:00 pm ]
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I know there is a lot of heavy stuff going on at the moment but...
There are some headlines you just have to click into.....

"Firefighters free YouTube prankster who cemented head into microwave
It took five ‘seriously unimpressed’ officers an hour to release 22-year-old who ‘could quite easily have suffocated’

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... -microwave

Author:  PaulfromYorkshire [ Thu 07 Dec, 2017 10:03 pm ]
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Such insight :roll:

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