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Having a bad morning? Well, you could be David Davis, who in ten minutes has to explain to the Brexit select committee why the Brexit impact assessments are in fact a few hastily-scrawled post-it notes tied up with old string.

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David Davis defending his impact statements now

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The government has NOT carried out any impact assessments.

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We will come up with a solution but the important thing is that that solution can only be discovered in the context of discussions on the end-state of the UK’s relations with the rest of the EU.


So he's asking for the resignation of the team who agreed that we could not move on to trade talks until the three initial questions were resolved to the satisfaction of all members of the EU?

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Don't conclude that if you have looked at the impact that you have written an impact assessment.


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Don't conclude that if you have looked at the impact that you have written an impact assessment.


Yes, Peter Walker is struggling with this too.

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Don't conclude that if you have looked at the impact that you have written an impact assessment.


I was actually going to say 'just because you have assessed the impact of something it doesn't follow that you have carried out an impact assessment'. That appears to be what he's saying.

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Don't conclude that if you have looked at the impact that you have written an impact assessment.


I was actually going to say 'just because you have assessed the impact of something it doesn't follow that you have carried out an impact assessment'. That appears to be what he's saying.

Exactly.


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David Davis just told @CommonsEUexit - we have not done "a quantitative economic forecast of outcome" of Brexit. "The Government has not written an impact assessment". Read my thread below and see how many times the Government has misled Parliament and the public:
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Thread: at 09:30 @CommonsEUexit meeting to discuss redacted and edited Brexit economic impact assessments. Is Govnt in contempt of Parliament? Did the Govnt mislead Parliament and the public? Did the reports ever exist in the first place? Let's look at the evidence (1)


https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidLammy/s ... 8088012800

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Is this really happening - or am I still asleep and dreaming it all?


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One way this could well be spun

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Jacob Rees-Mogg, a Conservative, says is is concerned about the government honouring parliament. If these impact assessments did not exist, the government did not have to publish anything, did it?
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Q: So the government has generously gone beyond what was required?
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Rees-Mogg says the government looked at the wording of “an incompetent motion” and did its best to comply.


Which is astonishing, but not surprising.

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I've just seen that ^^^

Words fail.

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Is this really happening - or am I still asleep and dreaming it all?


The BBC are focusing on the lack of proper impact assessments, which is bad enough, rather than David Davis repeatedly lying to and misleading parliament, which in normal circumstances would lead to him resigning in disgrace. Now we're down the rabbit hole, who knows what will happen. He'll probably get promoted to Chancellor or something.

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The BBC are focusing on the lack of proper impact assessments, which is bad enough, rather than David Davis repeatedly lying to and misleading parliament,

That was very noticeable just now.

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Richard Graham, a Conservative, goes next.

Q: How would you be able to do an impact assessment for the financial sector without know what the Brexit outcome will be, or whether there will be a free trade deal with the US?

With difficulty, Davis says. He says it would be very hard because there are so many potential outcomes.

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We're the laughing stock of Europe and only Trump is stopping us being the laughing stock of the developed world.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... hite-house


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Is there a PMQs today?


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https://calendar.parliament.uk


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Q1 Will she dismiss her Brexit Secretary?


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Most people are assuming the sectoral assessments never existed, but logically we only know that David Davis has made contradictory statements - that there are sectoral impact asessments in "excruciating detail" and that no sectoral impact assessments exist. How do we know for sure, however, which statement is true? Were there never any assessments and he mislead when he said there were? Or do they exist and after getting caught out by a parliamentary motion forcing him to hand them over Davis is misleading us now about their existence to cover up the fact he is still withholding them?
Do we have any real way to know for sure?

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Corbyn should IMHO ask for Davis to be sacked. Look at these from the Heil (bottom) and Torygraph!


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Most people are assuming the sectoral assessments never existed, but logically we only know that David Davis has made contradictory statements - that there are sectoral impact asessments in "excruciating detail" and that no sectoral impact assessments exist. How do we know for sure, however, which statement is true? Were there never any assessments and he mislead when he said there were? Or do they exist and after getting caught out by a parliamentary motion forcing him to hand them over Davis is misleading us now about their existence to cover up the fact he is still withholding them?
Do we have any real way to know for sure?


Schrödinger's Impact Assessments.

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At what point is @DavidDavisMP going to be held to account for such blatant lying? He must surely now resign. He simply can not be allowed to go around lying to Parliament and the British public in this way. Mendacious, conceited, vain, duplicitous, wholly unfit for office.


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Davis is surely toast.

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DUP should be directly involved in Brexit talks, Foster says
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DUP Arlene Foster was due to ask Theresa May if her party can have a seat at the Brexit negotiations.

Foster was likely to raise that prospect with the prime minister today. Ahead of her phone call to May, the former first minister of Northern Ireland said:

There is a need for us to be directly involved. (Politics Live, Guardian)


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Would be interested to see how DD's odds for next Tory leader have moved recently :twisted:


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Christ, that's desperate.

"Your minister lied about having impact assessments"
"Yes but look what someone said about student debt!"

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Should be higher:

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He said, after a nice jog with Tony Gallagher.

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Christ, that's desperate.

"Your minister lied about having impact assessments"
"Yes but look what someone said about student debt!"


And what is even sadder is that so many hacks were impressed by it :toss:


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FUCK ME!

https://twitter.com/giles_fraser/status ... 2056299520

Sorry, but....HONESTLY. Even for him.


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PM brandishes a leaflet where a candidate did claim that Labour would cancel student debt

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Christ, that's desperate.

"Your minister lied about having impact assessments"
"Yes but look what someone said about student debt!"
This won't do. May's got an incapacity for reasonable engagement and her ministers can't resolve significant difficulty. This government is dysfunctional.


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FUCK ME!

https://twitter.com/giles_fraser/status ... 2056299520

Sorry, but....HONESTLY. Even for him.
Fraser's support for this Tory Brexit is utterly dismaying. I don't share his religious affiliation but I admired some of his past work. I can't make heads or tails out of the man at this point. I'm staggered by it.


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Seema Malhotra: Could I ask you another question? You have answered that question; that was very helpful. Has the Prime Minister seen the impact assessments that have been published, yes or no?
Mr Davis: The details of them? Sorry, did you say “have been published”?
Seema Malhotra: Sorry, I am just asking whether she has seen the impact assessments. A yes or no answer is fine.
Mr Davis: Which ones? I will give a proper answer; I do not give yes/no answers.
Seema Malhotra: I mean the impact assessments that you have not published.
Mr Davis: That we have not published?
Seema Malhotra: Yes.
Mr Davis: She will know the summary outcomes of them. She will not necessarily have read every single one. They are in excruciating detail.


Select Committee on Exiting the European Union Oral evidence: The progress of the UK's negotiations on EU withdrawal, HC372 Wednesday 25th October 2017

It's Q131 near the bottom of the page.

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Talk of a Commons censure motion against Davis now......


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FUCK ME!

https://twitter.com/giles_fraser/status ... 2056299520

Sorry, but....HONESTLY. Even for him.
Fraser's support for this Tory Brexit is utterly dismaying. I don't share his religious affiliation but I admired some of his past work. I can't make heads or tails out of the man at this point. I'm staggered by it.


He is as monomaniacal as some of the #STOPBREXIT brigade on the other side.


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He told the Treasury Select Committee: "We haven't had a specific mandating of an end state position."


:lol:

Who on earth goes into negotiations without knowing what they're trying to aim for at the end?

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Well, don't the figures show that calling off Brexit is the best position for the public finances?

I guess beyond that the desired position is as "good as it can be".


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A fair amount of debate online about whether Heidi Allen's tears yesterday were "real".

FWIW my view is that her distress was genuine, but it still doesn't mean much unless she is willing to back it up with actions :twisted:


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