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Monday, 11th December 2017

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Good morfternoon.
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This is a reply to one of HindleA's disappeared posts - but I've typed it now so I'll carry on regardless.

The Government is blurring the lines between "home ownership" and "property ownership". However, many people are happy (in the good\better times) to be regarded, and to consider themselves, as "property owners" - wilfully placing themselves in the same bracket as the Duke of Westminster when they own a modest two up two down.
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Re: Monday, 11th December 2017

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Bob Kerslake
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http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/con ... ssion=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
We need to talk about the Tories' unhealthy obsession with disabled people's pay and performance
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Re: Monday, 11th December 2017

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David Davis's LBC interview - Summary

Here is a summary of all the points from David Davis’s interview on LBC.


He claimed that he did not need to be clever to do his job. Being able to stay calm was the key quality, he said. When asked about the qualities needed to do the job, he said:

What’s the requirement of my job? I don’t have to be very clever. I don’t have to know that much. I just do have to be calm. (Politics Live, Guardian)
Actually, I've picked just one of the points. I thought it obviated the necessity for quoting the others.
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PorFavor wrote:
David Davis's LBC interview - Summary

Here is a summary of all the points from David Davis’s interview on LBC.


He claimed that he did not need to be clever to do his job. Being able to stay calm was the key quality, he said. When asked about the qualities needed to do the job, he said:

What’s the requirement of my job? I don’t have to be very clever. I don’t have to know that much. I just do have to be calm. (Politics Live, Guardian)
Actually, I've picked just one of the points. I thought it obviated the necessity for quoting the others.

I think they're taking this 'enough of experts' thing a little bit too far...
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It's Kipling isn't it..


Rudyard Kipling


If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with wornout tools:
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings - nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run -
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!



If you can keep smiling when all you touch turns to ****

( that last bit isn't Kipling )
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Its a shame that poem tends to get cited by some real dickheads these days.
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Re: Monday, 11th December 2017

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Eleanor Garnier

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Andrew Mitchell just said @DavidDavisMP has "a brain like a steel trap, he's extremely bright" after Brexit Secretary told LBC this morning: "What's the requirement of my job? I don't have to be very clever, I don't have to know that much, I do just have to be calm." #Brexit
12:27 PM - Dec 11, 2017 (Politics Live, Guardian)
Should that not read (if rumour is to be believed) "a brain like a gin trap"?
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/gr ... g-11675253" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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AnatolyKasparov wrote:Its a shame that poem tends to get cited by some real dickheads these days.
I'm sure you were NOT including Lost Soul in that category?
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Of course not :)

You know the sort of people I *am* referring to, though - loud mouthed know it all Brexity types.

(see also - those still doing the "keep calm and carry on" thing)
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disagree with watson on automation and want to see his social ethical and economic impact studies. note juxtaposition of this (getting rid of people in shops and services) and :

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/l ... ec48adf8c5" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

loneliness = UK epidemic
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:Of course not :)

You know the sort of people I *am* referring to, though - loud mouthed know it all Brexity types.

(see also - those still doing the "keep calm and carry on" thing)
Oh we know alright:

(P ... F).
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http://www.sec-ed.co.uk/editorial-comme ... I4.twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
In his words: “Where once we paid for one local authority children’s services director on £132,000 to lead organisations with nearly 50,000 pupils each, for the same number of pupils in the academies scheme we now have eight multi-academy trust chief executives, each earning £143,000 on average.”
It's just all so depressing.
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Good-afternoon, everyone
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Snow day! Mr citizen got to stay home with me today
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If—
By Rudyard Kipling
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46473/if---" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
reminds me of Zen Buddhism
lots of wisdom in both poem and spiritual tradition
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May says any regulatory “alignment” referred to in paragraph 49 (see 3.49pm) will not involve Northern Ireland being in the single market or the customs union.
Through the looking glass.
We'll have our own massive bureaucracy to write the regulations which will be exactly the same as the EU ones. Take back control.
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Labour’s Stephen Kinnock says paragraph 96 of the deal makes it clear the financial settlement is conditional on the withdrawal agreement, not a future trade deal.

May says that is not her understanding.
Kinnock's right for once.
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Re: Monday, 11th December 2017

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Anything else of interest in the HoC proceedings?
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Re: Monday, 11th December 2017

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The Conservative party has decided collectively to postpone its next Brexit row until after Christmas.
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Saudi purge
Published Monday, December 11, 2017


Summary
Events in Saudi Arabia over the last few months have underlined and
strengthened the power of Mohammed bin Sultan, the Crown Prince of
Saudi Arabia. With backing from the Trump Administration, he has
taken a strong line against Iran and Qatar. A breath-taking purge of
corruption suspects, or some say of potential opponents and rivals,
showed that MBS does not intend to liberalise Saudi Arabia’s political
scene. But such apparently arbitrary authoritarian behaviour could
undermine other reform goals such as attracting foreign investment;
meanwhile, a showdown with Iran gets more likely.

http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ ... y/CBP-8134" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Excess winter mortality in England and Wales: 2016 to 2017 (provisional) and 2015 to 2016 (final)
22 November 2017


- In the 2016 to 2017 winter period, there were an estimated 34,300 excess winter deaths (EWDs) in England and Wales, which represents an excess winter mortality (EWM) index of 20.9%.

- Although there has been an increase in EWDs, the number of EWDs does not exceed the peak that was observed in the 2014 to 2015 winter period; however, it was the second highest over the last five winter periods.

- Females and the elderly were most affected by excess winter mortality in the 2016 to 2017 winter period.

- Over one-third of all excess winter deaths were caused by respiratory diseases in England and Wales in 2016 to 2017.

- All of the English regions observed significant increases in the excess winter mortality index between winter periods 2015 to 2016 and 2016 to 2017, whereas excess winter mortality for Wales remained stable.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... o2016final" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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gilsey wrote:
Labour’s Stephen Kinnock says paragraph 96 of the deal makes it clear the financial settlement is conditional on the withdrawal agreement, not a future trade deal.

May says that is not her understanding.
Kinnock's right for once.
Tbf to him this is a subject he does know something about for all sorts of reasons.
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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... ar-goes-on" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

the-guardian-view-on-the-tory-truce-over-brexit-the-war-goes-on
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Another way of saying the same thing!

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... john-crace" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

political-incompetence-brexit-doublethink-david-davis-theresa-may-john-crace
This was the prime minister at peak Maybot. Everything could just as equally mean something as nothing. Though almost certainly nothing. Satisfied she had managed to confuse everyone in the house rather, than was more usual, just herself, the prime minister sat down. Job done. Nothing had been said until everything had been said. Nothing had been made unclear till everything had been made unclear. Brexit had been reduced to moral relativism.
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But she was "triumphant" on Friday, remember?
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http://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/pol ... t-deadline" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

jeremy-corbyn-calls-brexit-deadline
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... exit-plans" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

jeremy-corbyn-refuses-to-firm-up-labours-brexit-plans
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Sam Coates Time reporting an "interesting" Yougov due at 10.00 pm
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Sam Coates Time reporting an "interesting" Yougov due at 10.00 pm
If it's something unpalatable, please break it to me gently.
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PorFavor wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Sam Coates Time reporting an "interesting" Yougov due at 10.00 pm
If it's something unpalatable, please break it to me gently.
yep, I feel the same
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Exclusive: Times/ YouGov Poll
Voting intention has the Tories back ahead for the first time since the June election
CON 42%(+2),
LAB 41%(nc),
LDEM 7%(nc)
Changes on last week. Poll taken Sun/Mon
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Hardly seismic!
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I'm typically bewildered and shocked by May's Tory government - one jaw-dropping day after another.
I wouldn't know how the hell to respond to that if I were sitting on the other side of the House.
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Exclusive: Times/ YouGov Poll
Voting intention has the Tories back ahead for the first time since the June election
CON 42%(+2),
LAB 41%(nc),
LDEM 7%(nc)
Changes on last week. Poll taken Sun/Mon
Bugger.

Edited to add -

But no, hardly seismic, as you say.
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citizenJA wrote:I'm typically bewildered and shocked by May's Tory government - one jaw-dropping day after another.
I wouldn't know how the hell to respond to that if I were sitting on the other side of the House.
Just read John Crace
Confirms astonishment is appropriate
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And yet...
Britain Elects‏
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3m3 minutes ago
More
On whether the government is handling Britain's exit from the EU well or badly:

Well: 26% (+5)
Badly: 57% (-7)

via @YouGov, 10 - 11 Dec
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PorFavor wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Exclusive: Times/ YouGov Poll
Voting intention has the Tories back ahead for the first time since the June election
CON 42%(+2),
LAB 41%(nc),
LDEM 7%(nc)
Changes on last week. Poll taken Sun/Mon
Bugger.

Edited to add -

But no, hardly seismic, as you say.
Wait for the one after Japan announces they are moving all car production to an EU country now that they have completed their trade deal with EU.
I do believe it will take something as seismic as that to bring the country/ government to it's senses.

(edit to correct lousy spelling...)
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Night night.
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PorFavor wrote:Night night.
Goodnight, PorFavor
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Goodnight, everyone
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