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PostPosted: Sat 16 Dec, 2017 2:53 pm 
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Blair should keep out of it because he is very unpopular and many people think he is a liar and he has very little remaining credibility

And actually, we are partly in this position because of his legacy from his last few years in power and a poor Labour campaign run by his old mate Alan Johnson (yes remember him - Columbo's wife!).

Cameron and Osborne said plenty during the campaign - it was just that they made a mess of it


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"Columbo's wife" - very good!


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Another sad loss

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/scien ... 14161.html

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Colleagues at Brunel also recalled his penchant for practical jokes, including arriving at his 80th birthday party celebrations on a scooter propelled by fire extinguishers.


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Oh and if Blair really cares about Brexit, the best service he can provide to the cause is to SHUT UP.

I don't know


I think this country has had quite enough of 'shutting up'.

We're in this position because not enough has been said.


He just isn't the right person to say it, I'm afraid.


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His oft repeated policy is to ignore me yet know what I have posted,there will be no apology,ignored or otherwise.
I was referring to Tony B.'s jumper present


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Fair play to @Ed_Miliband.
This is his official Christmas card.

https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/statu ... 0219800577

Enough to make an old woman's heart race.... :lol: :lol:


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Stephen Collins on David Davis, enjoy.
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Fair play to @Ed_Miliband.
This is his official Christmas card.

https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/statu ... 0219800577

Enough to make an old woman's heat race.... :lol: :lol:

They were complaining about it on The Last Leg, because he hasn't sent them one. They did that pic when he was on the show, lovely innit.

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Lost Soul wrote:
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Oh and if Blair really cares about Brexit, the best service he can provide to the cause is to SHUT UP.

I don't know
I think this country has had quite enough of 'shutting up'.
We're in this position because not enough has been said.
Yes, you're right, no question
Blair's contributions are likely a problem, not a help


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How to post a .jpg ???


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Brexit: Can Leavers and Remainers call a Christmas truce?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-polit ... ssion=true

Probably not :

Anna Soubry receives messages calling for her to be hanged as a traitor

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... tor-brexit


I'm respecting the referendum result less and less every day...
The entire 2016 EU referendum was poorly done from its start. Respecting and honouring that result doesn't have to be the way Tory government are using it


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Find a post with a successful link of any kind in it and hit respond.
Note how it's configured, the formatting characters, insert your own carefully deleting other commentators' content.
I also cut and paste notes kept on my desktop and refer back to them.


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Instructions here frog222: viewtopic.php?p=1638#p1638

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I often lose track of my bookmarks and can't find them then become frustrated navigating the website in search of something then get distracted. It's well set up, the website, I've no criticism of it. It's me.


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I've bookmarked the post with asterisks and capital letters, refitman
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Lost Soul wrote:
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Oh and if Blair really cares about Brexit, the best service he can provide to the cause is to SHUT UP.

I don't know


I think this country has had quite enough of 'shutting up'.

We're in this position because not enough has been said.


I'm with you on that.

There's literally no politician who doesn't have massive groups of people hating them for various reasons.

Clegg? Coalition traitor.
Gordo? Bankrupted the country.
Osborne? Austerity bastard.
Sturgeon? Divisive nationalist.

By that logic, "Commie" Corbyn should "shut up" as well. We need to hear more from him!


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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Lost Soul wrote:
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I don't know


I think this country has had quite enough of 'shutting up'.

We're in this position because not enough has been said.


I'm with you on that.

There's literally no politician who doesn't have massive groups of people hating them for various reasons.

Clegg? Coalition traitor.
Gordo? Bankrupted the country.
Osborne? Austerity bastard.
Sturgeon? Divisive nationalist.

By that logic, "Commie" Corbyn should "shut up" as well. We need to hear more from him!


Blair, Clegg and Osborne are maybe THE most unpopular politicians in Britain today.

That they are also at the centre of all those "EXCITING MOULD BREAKING NEW CENTRIST PARTY" journalist w*** fantasies is rather an unfortunate juxtaposition.

By way of contrast Sturgeon, Corbyn and even Brown are hated by many - but a significant number *will* listen to what they have to say. Unlike the above.


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Not all politicians are the same
it's in a few peoples' interests cultivating apathy and antipathy within the general population towards all of them, regardless of their deeds


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'let's not pay attention or vote for any of them, that'll show them'


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Now I know what an ampersand is too ;-)


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PostPosted: Sat 16 Dec, 2017 6:14 pm 
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
I'm with you on that.

There's literally no politician who doesn't have massive groups of people hating them for various reasons.

Clegg? Coalition traitor.
Gordo? Bankrupted the country.
Osborne? Austerity bastard.
Sturgeon? Divisive nationalist.

By that logic, "Commie" Corbyn should "shut up" as well. We need to hear more from him!


Blair, Clegg and Osborne are maybe THE most unpopular politicians in Britain today.

That they are also at the centre of all those "EXCITING MOULD BREAKING NEW CENTRIST PARTY" journalist w*** fantasies is rather an unfortunate juxtaposition.

By way of contrast Sturgeon, Corbyn and even Brown are hated by many - but a significant number *will* listen to what they have to say. Unlike the above.[/quote]

I don't think people turn against something because there's a politician they don't like who supports it. Lots of people who voted Leave hate Nigel Farage, after all. But what Leave did was have (and get coverage for) different sorts of people featured prominently. Gisela Stuart, Labour MP and German!, gave them something they didn't have. It worked.

And, let's face it, it's not going to be a popular revolt that brings about Soft Brexit. It's going to be persuading politicians. Presumably Blair and Osborne can get a hearing with politicians. Loads of Tory and Labour MPs would happily swap them (or a politician in their mould) for the party leaders they currently have. In terms of persuading Tory and Labour MPs currently going along with Hard Brexit that it's a bad idea, I'd say Osborne and Blair are about as good as it gets.


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I think Clegg is less important (though he's respected on EU stuff) because he's not bringing anything to the table that the current LD leadership isn't bringing. But Osborne and Blair, I think they do.


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Which Parliamentary Titan is leading the fight back v Philip "Appeasement" Hammond?

It's David Jones.

No Dealers know they're fucked.


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Letwin was still talking it up this morning, mind.

They haven't given up.......


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https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... -gap-grows

Social care postcode gap widens for older people


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Not the usual music posted here but just listen to the words this young boy (think he's 19) has written

Dave - Question Time

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PostPosted: Sat 16 Dec, 2017 7:32 pm 
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I know most don't like Rentoul, but this is absolutely right, I'd missed when written

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/pmq ... 07401.html

Like social security, the cruelty is almost inexplicable as these are not big ticket expenses. A drop in the Brexit ocean.


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PostPosted: Sat 16 Dec, 2017 7:52 pm 
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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
I think Clegg is less important (though he's respected on EU stuff) because he's not bringing anything to the table that the current LD leadership isn't bringing. But Osborne and Blair, I think they do.



Osborne seems to have found his role though. He is a truly excellent editor of the Standard. He has made it important again.

Blair's carelessness about his own reputation was underscored by his money grabbing. He was an undoubtedly important figure though. Unlike Brown, who fades into nothing by the day.

It would have been better for everyone, including the Labour party, if Clegg had held Sheffield Halam.


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That is one view, another is that Osborne's editing of that paper is transparently and obviously geared towards his rather obsessive vendetta against the PM (and of course, I hold no brief for her) revealing the underlying pettiness and malevolence that was too often obvious during his time as Chancellor.

Brown is selective in his interventions, but that's one reason they normally resonate (his anti-Corbyn spiel falling flat two years ago an admitted embarrassing exception)

And you are right that Clegg should not have lost his seat this year, he should have done so in 2015. Not just because he deserved it after what happened in the previous 5 years, but because his then replacement would have been an excellent Labour MP who could have looked forward to representing Hallam for some time to come.


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Was Louise Casey so necessary to reducing rough sleeping?


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See Paul Krugman on Brown. He was impressed.


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Was Louise Casey so necessary to reducing rough sleeping?


Not sure but she has quite a history of homelessness/rough sleeping problems she has been involved with over many years


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Casey


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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
That is one view, another is that Osborne's editing of that paper is transparently and obviously geared towards his rather obsessive vendetta against the PM (and of course, I hold no brief for her) revealing the underlying pettiness and malevolence that was too often obvious during his time as Chancellor.

Brown is selective in his interventions, but that's one reason they normally resonate (his anti-Corbyn spiel falling flat two years ago an admitted embarrassing exception)

And you are right that Clegg should not have lost his seat this year, he should have done so in 2015. Not just because he deserved it after what happened in the previous 5 years, but because his then replacement would have been an excellent Labour MP who could have looked forward to representing Hallam for some time to come.


Browns one intervention if any note was on the Scottish referendum. But I'm really talking about looking at him from an historical perspective. He didn't deserve Finkelstein's hatchet job, but as time passes the more bizarre it seems that the soft (headed) left put so much faith in him. Much more minor than Callaghan.


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Out of interest SH, are there any Labour people - past or present - who you do like ?
#InnocentFace


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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
I think Clegg is less important (though he's respected on EU stuff) because he's not bringing anything to the table that the current LD leadership isn't bringing. But Osborne and Blair, I think they do.



Osborne seems to have found his role though. He is a truly excellent editor of the Standard. He has made it important again.

Blair's carelessness about his own reputation was underscored by his money grabbing. He was an undoubtedly important figure though. Unlike Brown, who fades into nothing by the day.

It would have been better for everyone, including the Labour party, if Clegg had held Sheffield Halam.


Austerity Osborne will always be a dying Etonian duck to me .

Clegg got the coalition wrong , got screwed, but is still someone to be listened to . Blair tho I have reservations about the messenger , is worth listening to.


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This is a challenging read

https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/Comme ... m-in-Syria


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Out of interest SH, are there any Labour people - past or present - who you do like ?
#InnocentFace



Barbara Castle a personal favourite.


Almost anyone outside the Bennite strain.


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I liked Jo Richardson. Met her - quite a character.


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Barbara Castle kept popping up wanting more money spent on the main state pension. Cameron took that one on. I'm only glad it took till 2015 to go down that route, or else we'd be heading for Southern European public finances.

Yes, I know most pensioners aren't rich.


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Barbara Castle kept popping up wanting more money spent on the main state pension. Cameron took that one on. I'm only glad it took till 2015 to go down that route, or else we'd be heading for Southern European public finances.

Yes, I know most pensioners aren't rich.



It is the other goodies (NI in particular) that is the problem.


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That is one view, another is that Osborne's editing of that paper is transparently and obviously geared towards his rather obsessive vendetta against the PM (and of course, I hold no brief for her) revealing the underlying pettiness and malevolence that was too often obvious during his time as Chancellor.

Brown is selective in his interventions, but that's one reason they normally resonate (his anti-Corbyn spiel falling flat two years ago an admitted embarrassing exception)

And you are right that Clegg should not have lost his seat this year, he should have done so in 2015. Not just because he deserved it after what happened in the previous 5 years, but because his then replacement would have been an excellent Labour MP who could have looked forward to representing Hallam for some time to come.

Who was standing for Labour in 2015? (my memory is getting worse) and any reason they did not stand again ?


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Oliver Coppard
Unsuccessful in following years candidature for Sheffield Brightside.(Gill Furniss)


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Pensioner poverty increasing,residualisation of the benefit system,taken with the atrocious lack of investment in social care/housing/accounting for the extra costs of sickness/disability has consequences,regardless of particular age.


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I agree with SH in this particularity.


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Call off Brexit bullies or face defeat, Tory peers tell Theresa May
Conservatives in House of Lords warn prime minister party rebellion ‘will spread’ if the whips keep using strong-arm tactics (Guardian)


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/16/call-off-brexit-bullies-or-face-defeat-tory-peers-tell-theresa-may


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