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https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/ ... -practices


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Summary of the Cabinet Secretary's report on allegations about Damian Green's conduct

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100% business rates retention: further consultation on the design of the reformed system

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Damian Green sacking prompts new trouble for Theresa May (Politics Live, Guardian)



Really? Last thing I heard about it from the BBC last night was that it was no big deal. Now let's go over to Catalonia.




Edited - added apperstroff. (Too late to prevent error being immortalised, however.)


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Formerly known as Atoss,,Crapita and Maximarse questioned further on PIP and ESA assessments


We expected answers ahead of the session with the Minister this morning(yesterday) We are now publishing responses from Atos and Maximus but Crapita has failed to respond before the deadline.




http://www.parliament.uk/business/commi ... lications/


Henry Brooke's written evidence

http://data.parliament.uk/writteneviden ... 75779.html

"In my very long experience of the law, I have never encountered any statutory scheme which has caused so much distress to so many vulnerable people"
The idea that a public body should be given a power to reconsider its decisions was discussed in the Law Commission’s 1994 report on Judicial Review and Statutory Appeals, on which I assisted when I was chairman of the Commission. However, we never envisaged that a claimant’s right of appeal against a decision that took effect immediately could not be exercised at all until such a process had been completed.

"Because the Secretary of State was exercising a discretionary power when he introduced the PIP regulations which had this effect, it seems likely that the effect of the UK Supreme Court’s decision in the Unison case would give rise to a very strong argument that the mandatory reconsideration process is unlawful, since it prohibits any access to a court while the MR process is being conducted."

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Damian Green sacking prompts new trouble for Theresa May (Politics Live, Guardian)



Really? Last thing I heard about it from the BBC last night was that it was no big deal. Now lets go over to Catalonia.


Nick Robinson infamously tweeted that it showed HOW STRONG she now was.


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Mental Health in England: Jeremy Hunt vs Ralf Little

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Still, it should be fun to read Dacre's apology* to Kate Maltby.

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Government abolishes MR for ESA and PIP

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I just picked this up, courtesy of a poster over at the Guardian:

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The British Government has demanded total secrecy in its free trade talks with the US for a post-Brexit deal, i can reveal. Liam Fox’s Department for International Trade (DIT) has quietly opened preliminary discussions with a team of American officials. Both sides have agreed that their talks will be classified as either “sensitive” or “confidential”, and information will be shared only among approved individuals. Nothing can be released for four years after talks are concluded, unless both sides waive the secrecy rule, according to documents seen by i.

The approach will prove controversial for parliamentary scrutiny of British-American trade talks, as well as in policy areas such as food safety standards and animal welfare.

Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/news/exclusive-uk-d ... -talks-us/

Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/news/exclusive-uk-d ... -talks-us/


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https://www.inclusionlondon.org.uk/campaigns-and-policy/act-now/government-abolishes-mr-esa-pip/


Government abolishes MR for ESA and PIP


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Inclusion London is delighted that the government has decided to abolish Mandatory Reconsideration for ESA and PIP. MR creates an extra barrier to justice that acts as a rubber stamping exercise of the original assessment decision, meanwhile delaying access to benefits that Disabled people have been wrongly and unfairly denied. This extra hurdle discourages people from pursuing their case against wrongful assessment decisions, leading them to fall out of the benefits system and into destitution.

A Freedom Of Information request revealed that the DWP were working to a target by which 80% of MR decisions needed to uphold the original decision (1), yet the statistics for decisions overturned at appeal stage has consistently been over 60% for both ESA and PIP.


The idea that 80% of suspects are guilty is an interesting target . I wonder who dreamt it up ?


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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... tain-needs
"Theresa May is in a Brexit muddle and I’m muddled as to what to think of her" Anne Perkins.
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Maybe being generally dismissed as inadequate and incompetent gives her the space to stagger towards a deal that does the least harm to jobs and the economy and the most good for national cohesion: a deal that will be flawed and unsatisfactory to everyone, but all the same a deal – one that would maybe be harder, if not impossible, to reach if it was approached in a straight line.

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Morning all.

The Committee for Exiting the EU have published the "sector analyses" (cough)...here's a few quotes so far.

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39 sectoral reports on Brexit published. http://www.parliament.uk/business/commi ... lications/ … Have flipped through the aerospace one. It's entirely descriptive. Zero analysis of Brexit impact.

Chemicals one also totally descriptive, no description of what impact Brexit would have on e.g. access to EU regulatory system

Same for Technology (My sector). Zero actual analysis. Could have got it all from Wikipedia and Google.


So fairly useless then.

How is David Davis still in his job?

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https://dpac.uk.net/2017/12/big-legal-v ... ful-today/


: the DWP’s changes to PIP regulations were declared unlawful today

Today, the 21st of December, the High Court judge Mr Justice Mostyn allowed the claim in the case of RF v Secretary of State for Work and Pensions.

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chemical; plural noun: chemicals

a distinct compound or substance, especially one which has been artificially prepared or purified.


That'll do.

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https://www.gov.uk/government/statistic ... s-bulletin

http://press.labour.org.uk/post/1687830 ... or-finance

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tinybgoat wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/21/theresa-may-brexit-britain-needs
"Theresa May is in a Brexit muddle and I’m muddled as to what to think of her" Anne Perkins.
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Maybe being generally dismissed as inadequate and incompetent gives her the space to stagger towards a deal that does the least harm to jobs and the economy and the most good for national cohesion: a deal that will be flawed and unsatisfactory to everyone, but all the same a deal – one that would maybe be harder, if not impossible, to reach if it was approached in a straight line.

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http://press.labour.org.uk/post/1687833 ... most-50000

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GLASGOW MEMBERS WIN MASSIVE RENT REDUCTION.

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Link to judgement in PIP case.



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http://www.parliament.uk/documents/comm ... Report.pdf

parliament.uk/documents/commons-committees/Exiting-the-European-Union/17-19/Sectoral%20Analyses/2-Sectoral-Analyses-Agriculture-Report.

As with the ones R.O.T checked, all open-source info which would only be useful in negotiating details of a trade agreement over the average period of say ... five years ;-)!


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tinybgoat wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/21/theresa-may-brexit-britain-needs
"Theresa May is in a Brexit muddle and I’m muddled as to what to think of her" Anne Perkins.
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Maybe being generally dismissed as inadequate and incompetent gives her the space to stagger towards a deal that does the least harm to jobs and the economy and the most good for national cohesion: a deal that will be flawed and unsatisfactory to everyone, but all the same a deal – one that would maybe be harder, if not impossible, to reach if it was approached in a straight line.

The comments should be good.


Anne Perkins is correct, this piece is a muddle.


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HindleA wrote:
https://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2017/12/voting-labour-isnt-going-to-turn-uk.html


Voting Labour isn’t going to turn the UK into Venezuela


I missed this (complementary) one on Sunday by Ann Pettifor, v readable .... --

https://www.theguardian.com/business/co ... -mcdonnell

/why-industry-leader-have-no-need-to-panic-over-jeremy-corbyn-john-mcdonnell

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From the Mainlymacro --

""“” What has this got to do with a future Labour government? Christine Berry presents a comprehensive account of who is shaping future Labour policy. It contains the following paragraph.

“John McDonnell’s Council of Economic Advisors, set up during the first days of the leadership, was a valiant effort to give the party’s economic policy some heavyweight academic backing. But many of its members were not natural Corbyn supporters, and ran alarmed from the public ridicule heaped on the leadership in the early days – resulting in the Council being largely disbanded. Academic input now seems to be ad hoc rather than systematised.”

That is not how it happened. It is true that some of us had to suffer some public ridicule when we joined, but that just reflected badly on those doing the ridiculing. The breakup of the Council was inevitable after the EU referendum. It is hard for any group of serious economists to publicly advise in such a forum any political party that appears to support a Brexit policy that is doing (see Chris Giles here) so much damage and could do much more.””

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I had wondered about the desertion of the economists !


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frog222 wrote:
http://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons-committees/Exiting-the-European-Union/17-19/Sectoral%20Analyses/2-Sectoral-Analyses-Agriculture-Report.pdf

parliament.uk/documents/commons-committees/Exiting-the-European-Union/17-19/Sectoral%20Analyses/2-Sectoral-Analyses-Agriculture-Report.

As with the ones R.O.T checked, all open-source info which would only be useful in negotiating details of a trade agreement over the average period of say ... five years ;-)!

Yep, the Life Science one is the same.

It feels like something a student night produce in a project. 'What EU legislation affects the XXXX Sector?'.


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Dearie me...

https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/ ... 7836405761

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https://fullfact.org/health/mental-health-jeremy-hunt-ralf-little/



Mental Health in England: Jeremy Hunt vs Ralf Little

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The mental health data we have is poor and limited. Despite years of politicians of different parties emphasising the importance of mental health, it turns out that no one really knows what they are talking about. The government’s own plan talked about a ‘black hole’ of data, which is only beginning to be tackled.

My bold.

In a properly funded health service where stories of people having to travel hundreds of miles for mental health treatment hardly ever hit the headlines, you wouldn't really need to spend money collecting suitable data. The NHS Trust concerned in such a case would get ticked off because they'd made a cock-up, or it would be accepted to have arisen in exceptional circumstances.
It's because the services are strapped for cash that these blame allocation exercises arise.

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https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/ ... 7836405761

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They can have blue passports, and be grateful.


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And another one...

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I’ve spent 25 years in defence and there’s nothing in the report that isn’t essentially on Google already. Utterly bizarre.


So either the real ones are (i) blank pieces of paper as suggested ages ago by DAG or (ii) so utterly toxic there would be a demand to stop the whole damn thing now.

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Inquiry into allegations about private life of Labour MP halted by Commons sleaze watchdog
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/21/keith-vaz-investigation-suspended-for-medical-reasons


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Natalie Rowe and Jess Phillips having quite a spat on Twitter :lol: :lol:


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Morning all.

The Committee for Exiting the EU have published the "sector analyses" (cough)...here's a few quotes so far.
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So fairly useless then.

How is David Davis still in his job?
(cJA edit)

All thirty-nine of the written evidence, 'Sectoral Reports', on the Department for Exiting the European Union Sectoral Analyses inquiry publications page linked below has the following piece of information, all numbered 2. All the same.
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2. As the Government has already made clear, it is not the case that 58 sectoral impact assessments exist. The Government’s sectoral analysis is a wide mix of qualitative and quantitative analysis contained in a range of documents developed at different times since the referendum. This report brings together information about the sector in a way that is accessible and informative. Some reports aggregate some sectors in order to either avoid repetition of information or because of the strong interlinkages between some of these sectors.

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These are worth reading. Some really are in the No Shit Sherlock category...

https://twitter.com/DuncanWeldon/status ... 0577738752

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http://press.labour.org.uk/post/168783385629/appalling-winter-downturn-as-almost-50000

oh good god this is horrible
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Good-afternoon, everyone

I've been doing other things in the morning hours. I'm not upset with flythenest, not deeply troubled or very ill.


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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/t ... e-11733688

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RogerOThornhill wrote:
These are worth reading. Some really are in the No Shit Sherlock category...

https://twitter.com/DuncanWeldon/status ... 0577738752
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Electricity and Renewables Sector Report

6. Electricity is a fundamental part of modern society. Residential and industrial
users rely on its use to ensure basic and vital needs such as lighting, heating or
refrigeration are met on a daily basis. ONS data show that every sector in the
economy depends on the availability of electricity to operate. As the amount of
energy that can be stored is limited at present, demand and supply for electricity
have to match in real time, making electricity markets particularly complex. Failures
in the effective operation of electricity markets expose the economy to the risk of
blackouts, which have detrimental effects in the affected areas. Ensuring security of
supply in the electricity sector is therefore a key objective of governments, together
with ensuring electricity is affordable for all consumers and sourced from clean
technologies as much as possible.

http://www.parliament.uk/documents/comm ... Report.pdf
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Government is going to appeal the rulings????


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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-refusal-hand-164000-people-11733688

Government is going to appeal the rulings????


They usually do - at the public expense. Then they lose the appeal. So it's all worthwhile.


PS Edited to add -

Not knowing the ins and outs of the law, though, I don't know if this is "appealable"- the article doesn't say. Does anyone here know, please?


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Yeah intends to appeal,leave/permission to appeal decision in the New Year.

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PostPosted: Thu 21 Dec, 2017 5:18 pm 
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Regulations remain.

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I don't know where that PS came from . . .


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PostPosted: Thu 21 Dec, 2017 5:21 pm 
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 22861.html


"The Government intends to appeal the decision. The Regulations will not be quashed until the Court of Appeal decides whether or not the appeal should proceed. RF is anticipating a decision in early 2018"

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PostPosted: Thu 21 Dec, 2017 5:23 pm 
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There is nothing appealing about this Government.

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PostPosted: Thu 21 Dec, 2017 5:25 pm 
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citizenJA wrote:
HindleA wrote:
http://press.labour.org.uk/post/168783385629/appalling-winter-downturn-as-almost-50000

oh good god this is horrible
enough, this can't go on


It can and will go on, until we - the people - put a stop to it.


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PostPosted: Thu 21 Dec, 2017 5:48 pm 
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... lem-israel

UN votes resoundingly to reject Trump's recognition of Jerusalem as capital


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