citizenJA wrote:We're united in our condemnation of DisharmonyCreator
Bumboils, I missed it! I thought the usual Christmas blockbuster-style films were all on TV tomorrow. Still, if it was as bad as all that . . .
citizenJA wrote:We're united in our condemnation of DisharmonyCreator
citizenJA wrote:The left are doing okay in the UK. It's tough, always has been tough being left-wing.
Right-wingers...Dave Cameron, George Osborne, Theresa May, Jeremy Hunt, George Smith, Green, Gove, Johnson, Patel...the list goes on...Tory repeat failures all. Media gloss over their repeatedly failing most people and country. Media is expensive, owned by a few depending on them.
A few holding a lot of resources inherited or pilfered want to do what they like, to whomever they like, unaccountable and unrecognised as criminals.
Society can provide everyone with a fine education and meaningful employment, safe, secure housing and excellent healthcare. These tangibles are created through collective effort and that prosperity belongs to us all. There's no shame being left-wing, working for the benefit of everyone instead of just a few.
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Wilson is quite well regarded now it seems?
Actually IMO with him the opposite is true to some extent - quite a few of the "modernising" school saw him as partly responsible for Labour's 1980s wilderness years.
Kinnock's years as leader are still appreciated by some of us. What he did subsequently didn't sit well with everybody (maybe a smaller version of the widespread reaction against Blair's post-PM activities) though I don't personally hold it against him. And yes, it has to be said that his son is totally f***ing dreadful
As for Tories only venerating winners, what was maybe THE most divisive event for them in our lifetimes - one that still has an effect today? I refer, of course, to them knifing Thatcher because she MIGHT have lost an election. Indeed, in my opinion and many others she very likely *would* have lost in 1992 and thus made "loser" Kinnock our PM. But would the large majority of Tories have thought anything less of her if she had? I seriously doubt it.
As so often, these things aren't quite as black and white as you paint them.......
I agree.howsillyofme1 wrote:I suggest we ignore Hugo, for a couple of days anyway.
He takes a rather strange pleasure in creating disharmony and then disappearing for a while
~~~Waves~~~ at MsChinMsChin wrote:Merry Christmas to you all.
As for digging over the Labour party’s past history, it’s the future that counts and those who wish for change can be part of that future.
And may the end of brexit bring about the end of the Tories (or at least this government).AngryAsWell wrote:Happy Christmas every one both old friends and new, those who have gone, & those yet to appear/re-appear.
May 2018 bring about the end of brexit and the return of sanity.
The Herald is spinning this as a direct penalty aimed at Trump - but it's worth bearing in mind that other businesses will be removed from the relief scheme (Gleneagles Hotel and Crieff Hydro have been mentioned) and Trump's controversial Menie course retains its relief.PorFavor wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... -tax-breakDonald Trump-owned Scottish golf resort loses tax break
Change in Scottish government budget will remove Trump Turnberry in South Ayrshire from business rates relief scheme (Guardian)
Oh dear, 4/11HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/global-deve ... -know-quiz
The world in 2017: how much do you know?
In the US the sentimentality is all focused on Bernie S. "If only".PaulfromYorkshire wrote:I did reflect that while I am utterly unsentimental about Hilary Clinton (while respecting her many achievements), I am probably overly sentimental about Obama, who was in every sense a winner.
Not what the polls - consistently - said.SpinningHugo wrote:In the US the sentimentality is all focused on Bernie S. "If only".PaulfromYorkshire wrote:I did reflect that while I am utterly unsentimental about Hilary Clinton (while respecting her many achievements), I am probably overly sentimental about Obama, who was in every sense a winner.
Trump would have beaten him heavily IMO.
Obama is to the right of me. He is a small l liberal.
The polls also said HC would win comfortably. Can you point me at analysis supporting your claim? Plenty saying the opposite. It couldn't, again, be the kind of thing you'd like to be true?AnatolyKasparov wrote:Not what the polls - consistently - said.SpinningHugo wrote:In the US the sentimentality is all focused on Bernie S. "If only".PaulfromYorkshire wrote:I did reflect that while I am utterly unsentimental about Hilary Clinton (while respecting her many achievements), I am probably overly sentimental about Obama, who was in every sense a winner.
Trump would have beaten him heavily IMO.
Obama is to the right of me. He is a small l liberal.
In *some* respects, BHO was maybe the most left-liberal POTUS since Carter.
That your statement is also at least arguably true merely shows how skewed to the right the US political spectrum is overall.
11/11 - how sad am I ? Must find a hobby this coming year....tinybgoat wrote:Oh dear, 4/11HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/global-deve ... -know-quiz
The world in 2017: how much do you know?
(And Merry Xmas, all)
A hobby, you mean there's something you haven't already mastered ?AngryAsWell wrote:11/11 - how sad am I ? Must find a hobby this coming year....tinybgoat wrote:Oh dear, 4/11HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/global-deve ... -know-quiz
The world in 2017: how much do you know?
(And Merry Xmas, all)
Well saidMsChin wrote:Merry Christmas to you all.
As for digging over the Labour party’s past history, it’s the future that counts and those who wish for change can be part of that future.
I like this post a lot, thank youAngryAsWell wrote:Happy Christmas every one both old friends and new, those who have gone, & those yet to appear/re-appear.
May 2018 bring about the end of brexit and the return of sanity.
Interesting, (but probably unlikely to buy book.)Alongside all this, the Samaritan has been invoked as the patron saint of private rather than public welfare provision; and – unforgettably – by Margaret Thatcher addressing the Church of Scotland on the importance of the wealth creation that enabled the Samaritan to have resources to help the less fortunate.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... z-die-hardAll I want for Christmas is a film that doesn’t preach capitalism
Tanya Gold (Guardian)
I do hope that's wishful thinking on the part of the fracking firms. The article implies that it may well be.Fracking to begin in earnest in 2018 after tough year for industry
Firms leading UK push for shale gas say ‘we will see results next year’ after 12 months of opposition, protests and a ban in Scotland (Guardian)
Yes - that sounds very worrying.The intention is to replace the welfare safety net with a platform
Also, they weren't that colour blue being, as they were, near as dammit black! Could make this up! Can't even make our nice Iconic Blue Passports the same colour! What hope have we got with actual negotiations if they can't even colour match a bloody passport!
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ome-officeAsylum offices 'in a constant state of crisis', say whistleblowers
Two whistleblowers claim Home Office departments delay asylum applications for profit
(Guardian)
"" The second whistleblower comes from inside the Family and Human Rights Unit (FHRU), a department inside the UKVI which focuses on visas for spouses and parents of British and EU nationals. They describe a similar state of constant crisis: “We currently have staff who are trained for one week before doing live cases. There is a high turnover (in the unit), staff are leaving and coming every week,” they said.""PorFavor wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ome-officeAsylum offices 'in a constant state of crisis', say whistleblowers
Two whistleblowers claim Home Office departments delay asylum applications for profit
(Guardian)