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frog222 wrote:
PorFavor wrote:
Asylum offices 'in a constant state of crisis', say whistleblowers

Two whistleblowers claim Home Office departments delay asylum applications for profit
(Guardian)
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ome-office
"" The second whistleblower comes from inside the Family and Human Rights Unit (FHRU), a department inside the UKVI which focuses on visas for spouses and parents of British and EU nationals. They describe a similar state of constant crisis: “We currently have staff who are trained for one week before doing live cases. There is a high turnover (in the unit), staff are leaving and coming every week,” they said.""

Largely thank to Austerity Osborne and the other simple-minded Maniacs for Small Government who have kidnapped the One-Nation Tories.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-34790102" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yet another open goal for an Opposition, but how to get the case out to the electorate that you cannot have anything approaching good government for free ?
Ultimately folk have to work it out for themselves IMHO. But we can all make a difference in our daily lives.

I'm sick round here of people I'm sure vote Tory moaning about bin emptying and gritting etc. I think it's OK to gently point out to them that councils have had their budgets absolutely slashed without sounding too overtly political and confrontational.

Some will still blame Labour I suppose but if they are that obstinate there is little to be done!
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PFY -- one just has to be properly armed 8-)

Department of Communities and Local Government
Greg ClarkImage copyrightPA
Annual budget: £12.8bn
Cuts since 2010: 51%

Where the axe fell 2010-2015: DCLG took the biggest hit of any department, in percentage terms, in the last Parliament. The communities-focused part of its budget was cut in half and direct grants to local government fell by 27% in real terms between 2011 and 2015. A further £230m in savings was sought in 2015-6 although the department said this did not affect any existing programs.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-34790102" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Good morfternoon.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... idnt-exist" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

brexit-studies-were-being-prepared-a-year-before-davis-said-they-didnt-exist
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... idnt-exist

brexit-studies-were-being-prepared-a-year-before-davis-said-they-didnt-exist
This is the killer-bit --
In addition, the Guardian has found at least 12 references in Hansard, the official record of parliament, to ministers talking about the work to “assess the impact” or “assess the economic impact” of Brexit over the last year.
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https://www.politico.eu/article/norther ... xit-talks/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"Northern France’s parallel Brexit talks.
Politicians and officials on either side of the Channel get together to tackle big border challenges"
It is a gargantuan task, one that French officials say dwarfs the cost and complexity of readying the Irish border for Brexit. And yet, unlike Northern Ireland, the question of how to prepare the Channel and Calais for a post-Brexit reality has not yet featured in the official Brexit talks. That has left French and British officials scrambling to fill in the gaps before it is too late..
...Mulot warned that “economic catastrophe” would befall not just the British and French economies, but that of all EU countries that export to Britain via the Channel if the negotiators fail to come to a deal on border arrangements.
“We need to be ahead of the game,” he said. “There simply isn’t the option of doing it at the last minute … It’s a question of economic survival.”
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Good-morning, everyone
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Brexit is like war
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frog222 wrote:PFY -- one just has to be properly armed 8-)

Department of Communities and Local Government
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Annual budget: £12.8bn
Cuts since 2010: 51%

Where the axe fell 2010-2015: DCLG took the biggest hit of any department, in percentage terms, in the last Parliament. The communities-focused part of its budget was cut in half and direct grants to local government fell by 27% in real terms between 2011 and 2015. A further £230m in savings was sought in 2015-6 although the department said this did not affect any existing programs.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-34790102" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The overall picture is less than half the story because the 'deprivation' money was cut first, some councils in prosperous areas have seen relatively small changes eg ours, Hambleton, while Middlesbrough up the road has lost out massively.
Even the richer councils are struggling now, partly because they went with the council tax freeze longest, 1.99% doesn't sound like much but the cumulative effect is considerable 5 years down the road.
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George Osborne hints at return to politics and says he opposed EU vote

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... referendum" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It wasn't a secret he wasn't keen on having the EU referendum.
Doesn't make him any less dreadful.
Please refrain from voting for him. Thank you.
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citizenJA wrote:
George Osborne hints at return to politics and says he opposed EU vote

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... referendum" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It wasn't a secret he wasn't keen on having the EU referendum.
Doesn't make him any less dreadful.
Please refrain from voting for him. Thank you.
OK I won't then ;-)
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gilsey wrote:---
The overall picture is less than half the story because the 'deprivation' money was cut first, some councils in prosperous areas have seen relatively small changes eg ours, Hambleton, while Middlesbrough up the road has lost out massively.
Even the richer councils are struggling now, partly because they went with the council tax freeze longest, 1.99% doesn't sound like much but the cumulative effect is considerable 5 years down the road.
(cJA edit)

Some of Osborne's work, this
It's bad decision-making, budget cuts aren't the actions of a responsible or reasonable government
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Voter ID trials 'could disenfranchise older people'

Pilots making people show ID at May’s local elections could affect older people who are less likely to have passports or driving licences (Guardian)
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... der-people
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@PaulfromYorkshire
I know it may seem silly, asking like that
I've learned the importance of being clear at all times
ask for what's needed
ask what's not to go away

edited for clarity
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citizenJA wrote:@PaulfromYorkshire
I know it may seem silly, asking like that
I've learned the importance of being clear during all times
ask for what's needed
ask what's not to go away
No it didn't seem silly.

I was just enjoying the opportunity to say I wouldn't vote for him :twisted:
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Though because on one issue I agree with him (Remain) there is a conceivable nightmare scenario where I could have to!
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I won't either, being disenfranchised as well ! Thanks to the Fifteen Year Rule which may well have changed the recent vote of the people .
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PorFavor wrote:
Voter ID trials 'could disenfranchise older people'

Pilots making people show ID at May’s local elections could affect older people who are less likely to have passports or driving licences (Guardian)
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... der-people
It's not customary, showing ID. Can't just throw out this decree without negative consequences. If it prevents any number of UK citizens from voting, that's unacceptable.
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frog222 wrote:I won't either, being disenfranchised as well ! Thanks to the Fifteen Year Rule which may well have changed the recent vote of the people .
Your disenfranchisement is an abomination
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The article about voter ID doesn't quantify or elaborate on fraudulent voting
How big a problem is voter fraud in the UK?
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tinybgoat wrote:https://www.politico.eu/article/norther ... xit-talks/
"Northern France’s parallel Brexit talks.
Politicians and officials on either side of the Channel get together to tackle big border challenges"
It is a gargantuan task, one that French officials say dwarfs the cost and complexity of readying the Irish border for Brexit. And yet, unlike Northern Ireland, the question of how to prepare the Channel and Calais for a post-Brexit reality has not yet featured in the official Brexit talks. That has left French and British officials scrambling to fill in the gaps before it is too late..
...Mulot warned that “economic catastrophe” would befall not just the British and French economies, but that of all EU countries that export to Britain via the Channel if the negotiators fail to come to a deal on border arrangements.
“We need to be ahead of the game,” he said. “There simply isn’t the option of doing it at the last minute … It’s a question of economic survival.”
I 'liked' this bit "" Vast parking lots, X-ray scanners and other technological tools will have to be built to accommodate the new checks. Dozens of new customs agents will have to be trained, with average training times around 18 months on the French side.""

How inefficient ! It only takes the UK Home Office a week to train decision-makers on Immigration cases . ( 7.57 link just over page)

Two good ones in the Oct Guardian --

.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/07/zeebrugge-brexit-braced-for-tariffs-trade-loss

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... trade-loss" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and one with the link to the much-travelled crankshaft --

.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/15/grim-reality-of-bad-tempered-brexit

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... red-brexit" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Itsa nightmare !
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citizenJA wrote:The article about voter ID doesn't quantify or elaborate on fraudulent voting
How big a problem is voter fraud in the UK?
It’s not that big a problem, cJA. The electoral commission publish data every year.

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/ ... d-analysis" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A quick glance at the police data shows lots of allegations appear to be about election materials rather than ballot papers or offences such as personation (pretending to be the person registered to vote).

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/ ... final.xlsx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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MsChin wrote:
citizenJA wrote:The article about voter ID doesn't quantify or elaborate on fraudulent voting
How big a problem is voter fraud in the UK?
It’s not that big a problem, cJA. The electoral commission publish data every year.

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/ ... d-analysis" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A quick glance at the police data shows lots of allegations appear to be about election materials rather than ballot papers or offences such as personation (pretending to be the person registered to vote).

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/ ... final.xlsx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It's not justifiable making restrictive vote changes six months prior elections
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Good afternoon

This change to the law is actually, in my view, another example of the biggest issue of electoral fraud at the moment - disenfranchisement of those you want to stop voting

It has been going on for years in the US and now it is the same here - put hurdles in the way of people voting and make sure that those who will vote for something other than desired are inconvenienced

Nothing too overt - just a drip, drip of 'common sense' ideas
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Labour’s student vote ‘could melt away’ over Brexit backing
Hepi/YouthSight poll finds 68 per cent of students now back the party, up from 55 per cent prior to June’s general election

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/ne ... it-backing" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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AngryAsWell wrote:Labour’s student vote ‘could melt away’ over Brexit backing
Hepi/YouthSight poll finds 68 per cent of students now back the party, up from 55 per cent prior to June’s general election

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/ne ... it-backing" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Lots of things "could" happen, but the idea that most Labour voters in June - even younger ones - were primarily motivated by "stopping Brexit" has been confirmed as a myth.
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Do too many myths make a moth?
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howsillyofme1 wrote:Good afternoon

This change to the law is actually, in my view, another example of the biggest issue of electoral fraud at the moment - disenfranchisement of those you want to stop voting

It has been going on for years in the US and now it is the same here - put hurdles in the way of people voting and make sure that those who will vote for something other than desired are inconvenienced

Nothing too overt - just a drip, drip of 'common sense' ideas
Indeed. My friend, for example, has neither passport nor driving license or bank account and has never used a computer. I think the only proof she could produce would relate to rent & utilities.
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:Labour’s student vote ‘could melt away’ over Brexit backing
Hepi/YouthSight poll finds 68 per cent of students now back the party, up from 55 per cent prior to June’s general election

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/ne ... it-backing" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Lots of things "could" happen, but the idea that most Labour voters in June - even younger ones - were primarily motivated by "stopping Brexit" has been confirmed as a myth.
I don't think it can be proven one way or the other, but my grandson's friend's (he's at collage so is surrounded by young voters) who had reached 18, voted Labour (including 2 who's parents are Con party members) because they thought Labour would stop Brexit.
Other reasons were available, but it was a subject they talked about and stopping brexit was very high on the agenda.
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Well the only "proof" we have (admittedly as imperfect in that regard as ever) is opinion surveys, which point to the conclusion above.
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MsChin wrote:
howsillyofme1 wrote:Good afternoon

This change to the law is actually, in my view, another example of the biggest issue of electoral fraud at the moment - disenfranchisement of those you want to stop voting

It has been going on for years in the US and now it is the same here - put hurdles in the way of people voting and make sure that those who will vote for something other than desired are inconvenienced

Nothing too overt - just a drip, drip of 'common sense' ideas
Indeed. My friend, for example, has neither passport nor driving license or bank account and has never used a computer. I think the only proof she could produce would relate to rent & utilities.
And people (not your friend, obviously) who pay their bills on-line don't even have hard-copy utility bills to fall back on. (Print-outs are not accepted as id.)



Edited to add -

Even if they were, you'd need a printer!
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I have no problem with "real voters",but the bloke next door is obviously a fake.We've got to get rid of fraudsters for the "integrity of the system" because there is only a limited amount of votes and there will.be more for the genuine.
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"Report a dodgy voter"hotline.
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Vote early and often.
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Votes for pigeons.
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HindleA wrote:Votes for pigeons.
Then put the cats among them (vote-wise, I mean).
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Sending Lenny with a Labour Party membership card for the candidate selection meeting,as long as he attends the whole three hours,I can't see the problem.
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HindleA wrote:I have no problem with "real voters",but the bloke next door is obviously a fake.We've got to get rid of fraudsters for the "integrity of the system" because there is only a limited amount of votes and there will.be more for the genuine.
I think I've read something similar posted beneath the line elsewhere
They likely believed it too, they meant it seriously
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Miller kept uttering the "for the integrity of the system" in the "not us guv" relentless propagandised hate fest/mass fraud stuff against the sick/disabled" in the Wail,Excess and should know better press.
In her defence she did know how to play the system.
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FWIW still police presence outside chip shop in Chesterfield(five minutes walk from parents)
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HindleA wrote:FWIW still police presence outside chip shop in Chesterfield(five minutes waklk from parents)

You always did have to wait about for a bit if you ordered haddock.
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#under normal conditions

ten minutes waddle after over indulgence in the partaking of food.
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(I didn't go out to see,walking (or waddling")a reasonable distance,I like to keep as part of daily routine)
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Though I do have a rather unique "style" ie.to the inexpert eye I seem always at the point of imminent collapse anyway.
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https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/ ... ncertainty" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

UK house price growth to slow dramatically in 2018, say experts
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theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/26/a-labour-government-wouldnt-be-as-bad-as-brexit-claims-heseltine

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -heseltine" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HT MissChin :!:
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HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/ ... ncertainty

UK house price growth to slow dramatically in 2018, say experts
What've you been told about them experts?
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"For the purposeful harm to the targeted eagerly cheered on then later bemoaned seemingly unaware they were the direct consequences of what he enabled and voted for and on,I suppose.20 % cuts for the extra costs of sickness/disability,"certainly";legislated residualisation of support in own home as a default "I haven't read it,but yes" etc"
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AngryAsWell wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:Labour’s student vote ‘could melt away’ over Brexit backing
Hepi/YouthSight poll finds 68 per cent of students now back the party, up from 55 per cent prior to June’s general election

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/ne ... it-backing" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Lots of things "could" happen, but the idea that most Labour voters in June - even younger ones - were primarily motivated by "stopping Brexit" has been confirmed as a myth.
I don't think it can be proven one way or the other, but my grandson's friend's (he's at collage so is surrounded by young voters) who had reached 18, voted Labour (including 2 who's parents are Con party members) because they thought Labour would stop Brexit.
Other reasons were available, but it was a subject they talked about and stopping brexit was very high on the agenda.
I'm married to a University lecturer - friends with several others. Talk to students in the course of my own work. Have three nephews either students or left last year.
All I hear is that their number one concern is 'Brexit' - their hope is that Labour is the closest to resisting it.

Not 'proof' of course - probably just hearsay...but what the bloody hell more does it take ?
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Warnings of post-Brexit price rises unless UK can copy EU trade deals

British Retail Consortium says everyday products such as food and clothing could rise when UK leaves the bloc (Guardian)
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rade-deals
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