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Toby Young quotes on breasts, eugenics and working-class people
Key quotes and tweets behind the backlash against the ex-journalist’s appointment to new university watchdog

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/ ... ass-people

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Gove is serious about wanting to bring back O-levels, the government will have to repeal the Equalities Act because any exam that isn’t ‘accessible’ to a functionally illiterate troglodyte with a mental age of six will be judged to be ‘elitist’ and therefore forbidden by


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Bush is decent as usual, Walker is terrible - patronising and condescending when the case they are making is far from proven.

No surprise that you liked it SH ;)



I think the question on rail has been discussed many times on here....with some good input

I think the issue is that there is no easy solution within the appalling system left after the initial privatisation - there is no silver bullet, including nationalisation but taking everything back under Government control and then looking at it all again may be the only long-term option, even though it may be 15 years until we can even start that

As in many cases, labour has to try and make the best out of terrible Tory decisions


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One thing that is so refreshing about Stephen Bush is that whilst he is no Corbynite himself (he was an open D Miliband supporter in the Ed years) he actually shows interest in why Corbyn rose from apparently nowhere, and why he has retained such strong support despite his inevitable struggles as Labour leader.

The contrast with how automatically dismissive most mainstream pundits have been speaks for itself. As an example, take Rafael Behr's sort of mea culpa in the Graun today. In a way it is welcome - but if he had anything about him he SHOULD HAVE BEEN ASKING THIS SORT OF STUFF TWO YEARS AGO!


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There's a full feature by Labour's rail advisor, Ian Taylor, in Rail Magazine. Just glanced at it, but the nub seems to be reducing the number of interfaces. Sounds OK, but I don't think you can avoid other inefficiencies popping up with a big organization being created. I think 3 out of about 8 "talking head in an insert" experts supported the plans.

I'd maybe wait a while, and let everybody get on without changing too much. There's more franchising and open access coming in across Europe, and I'd look how other places do it.


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I liked the Walker article. Bear in mind that not having universal free parking doesn't mean that you can't have it some places where there is space and public transport is very poor.

One thing I worry about is with new hospitals. If the expectation becomes free parking, there could be a tendency to stick them out of town- like eg Worcester Hospital. Which has nonetheless run out of (paid) parking space!


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"Not as clever as he thinks" Andrew Old thinks he's got Toby's critics bang to rights. Apparently the evidence was found after people condemned Young's appointment.

You don't have to have chapter and verse to be aware of what he's like.


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I must admit than in these sorts of questions I start from a basis of "universal benefits are good, as much as is practically possible".

(that's one reason why I haven't closed my mind to the idea of Basic Income, either)


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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
I must admit than in these sorts of questions I start from a basis of "universal benefits are good, as much as is practically possible".

(that's one reason why I haven't closed my mind to the idea of Basic Income, either)


Yeah, it's the priorities you choose that matter, however you're funding it.


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As previously stated it saved the hospital at least a hundred quid a visit with the use of a PA/car when could.(yet another reason why restricting/heightening eligibility to social care is a very bad idea and personal budget a possible "way out"-subject to adequate budget)

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Choice/best for self tends to be cheaper than "given",by some degree.Wrest the "50 billion quid" repeatedly proclaimed,would make far better use of it.Storm the DWP.et al.

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(Realise I am rather obsessed)

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25 years of unpaid bin position monitor and not even an offer of an OBE,tsk.

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25 years of unpaid bin position monitor and not even an offer of an OBE,tsk.

I'm working on it


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I would obviously refuse.

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McDonald’s leader Ronald just stated he has a “burger on his desk at all times”. Will someone from his big shoed, red nosed regime inform him that I too have a burger on my desk, but mine is a box meal which is bigger and more powerful than his, and mine has gravy! #nuclearbutton

https://twitter.com/KFC_UKI/status/948525809840656385 :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Bannon v Trump could get interesting. https://twitter.com/Daybreaker77/status ... 8058001409


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Bannon v Trump could get interesting. https://twitter.com/Daybreaker77/status ... 8058001409


Kissinger's comment on the Iran-Iraq war does rather come to mind.

Again.


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Boris Johnson moans he is on his own in hard Brexit bid

Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/johns ... rexit-bid/


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HindleA wrote:
I would obviously refuse.

I know you would


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Boris Johnson moans he is on his own in hard Brexit bid

Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/johns ... rexit-bid/


But he wears skirts (according to the article). Still, it is pantomime season . . .


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I have no problem at all when MP's work across party lines in this way.

Stories of loneliness: two MPs tell of 'social epidemic' in UK
Conservative MP Seema Kennedy and Labour MP Rachel Reeves teamed up to carry on the work of murdered Westminster colleague Jo Cox

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... vative-mps


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I have no problem at all when MP's work across party lines in this way.

Stories of loneliness: two MPs tell of 'social epidemic' in UK
Conservative MP Seema Kennedy and Labour MP Rachel Reeves teamed up to carry on the work of murdered Westminster colleague Jo Cox

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... vative-mps

I don't either
I urge Kennedy to turn away from the powers of darkness though


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t/tillerson-caught-under-trumps-desk-disconnecting-nuclear-button

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowit ... ear-button

Could be true, an'all ! :-)


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"Play spot the not total bollox with Toby Y"


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IDS was DWP Minister in 2013,Brown did leave in 2010.

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Labour introduced ESA,where the fuck did he get 3 million from ,probably DLA,a Tory introduction and a very good one,naff all to do with fitness for work.

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Well, I'm shocked that Spiked lackey Joanna Williams thinks the reaction to Toby Young is embarrassing...

https://twitter.com/spikedonline/status ... 1800873984

Me, I'd be embarrassed if I came out with a line which suggested that Twitter was 20 years old...

Notice that whenever they stick videos of their people "debating" with others...you never hear the others...odd that...

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Goodnight, everyone
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Not necessarilly arguing for a carte blanche free parking at hospitals,by the way,rather a way to take account/facillitate what I keep banging on about.If such "pandering" leads to fruitful discussions and outcomes rather than the "pandering" to the very worst characteristics of us,I am all for pandering.

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Toby Young is still aspiring to have a mental age of six.I go by the evidence before me.

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https://twitter.com/Wonkypolicywonk/sta ... 8647644166

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What a lot of fatuous wibble Labour talks on the only issue that matters.


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To be fair I may be at cross purposes on the view of UBI,if and only if the particularities of extra costs/restricted earnings of sickness/disability/caring resp.not necessarilly bespoke but as a consequence of subject to circumstances can be adequately accounted for whether boost/additional to bespoke or via health/social care route AS INCOME/BUDGET rather than "services" and/or contingent to "preferred behaviour" (ha)I may relax my view.

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Bonnylad wrote:
Bannon v Trump could get interesting. https://twitter.com/Daybreaker77/status ... 8058001409


So Bannon was over here having conversations with Rees-Mogg and Farage, right before he drops his little book bomb on Trump. "Thick as thieves" springs to mind for some reason. These tea party types need watching.

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https://twitter.com/Wonkypolicywonk/status/948666958647644166

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What a lot of fatuous wibble Labour talks on the only issue that matters.


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Stating nothing else matters is indeed fatuous wibble.

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https://twitter.com/Wonkypolicywonk/status/948666958647644166

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What a lot of fatuous wibble Labour talks on the only issue that matters.



Can someone tell me when Owen Jones became an official spokesman for the Labour Party?

Perhaps you can tell me how an outcome that leaves the UK in the CU and Single market as now, paying in huge amounts of cash for the privilege would be in anyway politically sustainable?

The only option in that scenario would be to stay in and, again, I would like to hear how this will be achieved in a way that doesn't create even more derision of politicians and also without opening up the very nasty wounds that came out of the original referendum?

Sounds great on paper but haven't seen anything that I consider credible from the people who want to reverse the referendum result either - the situation we are in is a bloody mess and difficult to find a way out of

Nobody has any easy answer - because there isn't one - so glib statements like this from a poster who adds nothing to the debate just piss me off

Sorry but I am tired and not feeling well and I get fed up with the pathetic posts from this lying toad every couple of days when we have had a few days of decent and intelligent discussion from different sides of this subject


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And get to fucking (NY resolution) sleep.

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People are dying in hospitals because of the policies of this Government and people are dying in destitution because of policies of this Government. ii was in Brighton last week and saw more homeless people than I have ever seen anywhere since under Waterloo Bridge in the 80s...

None of this is due to Brexit - it is due to the policies being put in place by this Government - some of them also, I am sad to say, supported by parts of the Labour Party in the early days

Brexit will be a chronic drag on us in the future but focusing on just this subject allows the Tories to escape blame for their desired outcomes


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We used to do a nightly count in the '80's .Despite my best efforts on the soup run the numbers kept going up.

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Used to pay for the hostel by the way via "skippering money"£21 a fucking week" as a Mr J.Holleran used to daily announce before he got banned(I protested to no avail) for attacking a radio,sneaking in booze too many times and apparently abusing staff-he was a big bloke with a booming voice but basically a child.

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SpinningHugo wrote:
https://twitter.com/Wonkypolicywonk/status/948666958647644166

good

What a lot of fatuous wibble Labour talks on the only issue that matters.


Since everyone involved is talking degrees of what is to the layperson fatuous wibble, be more concise !
Also bear in mind that 'politics' and political language is anything but precise and rigorously logical .

(PS We are dealing with people, both the elected and the electers, so all polies 'wibble' some of the time . ;)


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"I wibble but I don't fall down" ( most of the time)

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