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Author:  refitman [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 5:58 pm ]
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Just found out that my line manager's boss carries a signed photo of "Sainted Margaret" around with him. :sick:

Author:  PaulfromYorkshire [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 6:05 pm ]
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I know we don't always agree on the policies of the current Labour front bench, but I reckon they are doing a pretty good job of opposing

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... violations

esther-mcveys-work-and-pensions-secretary-director-demolition-firm-health-and-safety-violations

Author:  refitman [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 6:07 pm ]
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Some good news: http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/01/11/ka ... e-lawsuit/

katie-hopkins-refused-an-appeal-over-jack-monroe-lawsuit

Author:  citizenJA [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 6:08 pm ]
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refitman wrote:
Just found out that my line manager's boss carries a signed photo of "Sainted Margaret" around with him. :sick:
good lord

Author:  citizenJA [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 6:12 pm ]
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Davis and Hammond couldn't manage an audience with anyone in Berlin

Author:  PorFavor [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 6:39 pm ]
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All quiet on the Carillion front? I was expecting some sort of update on the situation.

Author:  Eric_WLothian [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 6:47 pm ]
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Willow904 wrote:
...you know what, I'm really not keen on this whole weighing out exactly what I want and putting it in a paper bag malarkey...


"It's a bit over - is that ok?" (It was never "a bit under"). A tradition carried on at the cheese counter! :lol:

Author:  Eric_WLothian [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 6:56 pm ]
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citizenJA wrote:
Davis and Hammond couldn't manage an audience with anyone in Berlin


Now I'm seeing images of Emcee in "Cabaret"

Quote:
And now presenting the Kit Kat Boys:
Here they are!
Bobby! Victor!
Or is it
Victor! and Bobby...
You know, there's really only one way to tell the
difference...
I'll show you later.

Hans (Oh Hans, go easy on the sauerkraut!)
Herman (You know what's funny about Herman?
There's nothing funny about Herman!)

Author:  Tubby Isaacs [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 6:59 pm ]
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Adita Chakraborty opines

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The dirty secret of PFI and all government attempts to pass public services into the private realm is that the shareholders make profits while the taxpayers remain on the hook for any losses.


in an article about Carillion heading for bankruptcy.

I'm worried about this sort of dogma taking over the left. I'm sure lots of people really think we could nationalize Eddie Stobart and bank all the profits for the NHS.

Author:  citizenJA [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 7:03 pm ]
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PorFavor wrote:
All quiet on the Carillion front? I was expecting some sort of update on the situation.
We'll be sent the invoice in due course

Author:  howsillyofme1 [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 7:06 pm ]
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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Adita Chakraborty opines

Quote:
The dirty secret of PFI and all government attempts to pass public services into the private realm is that the shareholders make profits while the taxpayers remain on the hook for any losses.


in an article about Carillion heading for bankruptcy.

I'm worried about this sort of dogma taking over the left. I'm sure lots of people really think we could nationalize Eddie Stobart and bank all the profits for the NHS.


These companies are not private...they are almost completely funded by the state and are fully dependent on it. The state is also in trouble if they go under because the money is lost

Do we bail them out and, like we did with the banks, let them continue as before with little oversight - or should we take them into public hands?

None of these companies ever seem to be particularly competent - it seems that use of them is ideological

Author:  PorFavor [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 7:20 pm ]
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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Adita Chakraborty opines

Quote:
The dirty secret of PFI and all government attempts to pass public services into the private realm is that the shareholders make profits while the taxpayers remain on the hook for any losses.


in an article about Carillion heading for bankruptcy.

I'm worried about this sort of dogma taking over the left. I'm sure lots of people really think we could nationalize Eddie Stobart and bank all the profits for the NHS.


I'm not sure about "lots of people". After all, Eddie Stobart and the like are not tax-payer funded. (I appreciate your comment was a sort of wry joke, however.)

Author:  PorFavor [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 7:24 pm ]
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I hope HindleA safely managed to navigate his way through the tradesman's entrance when he came home after work.

Author:  Tubby Isaacs [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 7:25 pm ]
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howsillyofme1 wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Adita Chakraborty opines

Quote:
The dirty secret of PFI and all government attempts to pass public services into the private realm is that the shareholders make profits while the taxpayers remain on the hook for any losses.


in an article about Carillion heading for bankruptcy.

I'm worried about this sort of dogma taking over the left. I'm sure lots of people really think we could nationalize Eddie Stobart and bank all the profits for the NHS.


These companies are not private...they are almost completely funded by the state and are fully dependent on it. The state is also in trouble if they go under because the money is lost

Do we bail them out and, like we did with the banks, let them continue as before with little oversight - or should we take them into public hands?

None of these companies ever seem to be particularly competent - it seems that use of them is ideological


Some of it definitely is ideological.

Railtrack was about as pseudo-private as you can get, yet it went bankrupt. The shareholders lost their money. I don't see why Carillion should be any different.

I know they're important in your hometown, and I really hope it doesn't come to that. PFIs are often poor value- can we buy some of these back off them and save us a load of money, as happened with a couple of other PFIs?

It seems they are genuinely competent with the stuff they're doing for HS2, so hope they survive and do that. Even so, they're part of one short section, with two huge companies. Can't see that's all that much of a problem, but it would likely cost more if the contract had to be relet. Grayling (him again) likely shouldn't have let them bid, just wanted the cheapest cost to quote now.

Author:  HindleA [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 7:32 pm ]
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I had them alarmed and fell over backwards in shock.

Author:  HindleA [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 7:45 pm ]
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https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... er-setback

Author:  HindleA [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 7:45 pm ]
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https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... rn-tenants

Author:  Tubby Isaacs [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 8:04 pm ]
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Laura Pidock on the frontbench.

Author:  HindleA [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 8:12 pm ]
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Shadow Minister For Labour.

Author:  HindleA [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 8:15 pm ]
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https://www.gov.uk/government/news/appo ... d-pensions



Appointment of Peter Schofield as Permanent Secretary at the Department for Work and Pensions

Author:  HindleA [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 8:16 pm ]
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https://www.gov.uk/government/news/bank ... nt-holders


Banks and building societies start immigration status checks on personal current account holders

Author:  HindleA [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 8:21 pm ]
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https://www.gov.uk/government/statistic ... ts#history


DWP abstract of statistics – policies and statements


(Revised methodology part 213 /4/5 depending on method of calculation.)

Author:  howsillyofme1 [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 8:22 pm ]
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Quote:
Some of it definitely is ideological.

Railtrack was about as pseudo-private as you can get, yet it went bankrupt. The shareholders lost their money. I don't see why Carillion should be any different.

I know they're important in your hometown, and I really hope it doesn't come to that. PFIs are often poor value- can we buy some of these back off them and save us a load of money, as happened with a couple of other PFIs?

It seems they are genuinely competent with the stuff they're doing for HS2, so hope they survive and do that. Even so, they're part of one short section, with two huge companies. Can't see that's all that much of a problem, but it would likely cost more if the contract had to be relet. Grayling (him again) likely shouldn't have let them bid, just wanted the cheapest cost to quote now



Unfortunately not that competent in being solvent though.........if the Government saves them (which it probably will try to do) then the taxpayers should get assets to cover it....and the directors walk away with nothing

Author:  HindleA [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 8:23 pm ]
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https://www.gov.uk/government/consultat ... velopments


Consultation outcome
Universal Credit experimental statistics: future developments

Author:  HindleA [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 8:27 pm ]
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ay-cartoon


Martin Rowson on 'shithole' countries

Author:  HindleA [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 8:31 pm ]
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Nottingham.Station has just been refurbished,when I say just bear in mind my concept of time.

Author:  Tubby Isaacs [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 8:40 pm ]
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howsillyofme1 wrote:
Quote:
Some of it definitely is ideological.

Railtrack was about as pseudo-private as you can get, yet it went bankrupt. The shareholders lost their money. I don't see why Carillion should be any different.

I know they're important in your hometown, and I really hope it doesn't come to that. PFIs are often poor value- can we buy some of these back off them and save us a load of money, as happened with a couple of other PFIs?

It seems they are genuinely competent with the stuff they're doing for HS2, so hope they survive and do that. Even so, they're part of one short section, with two huge companies. Can't see that's all that much of a problem, but it would likely cost more if the contract had to be relet. Grayling (him again) likely shouldn't have let them bid, just wanted the cheapest cost to quote now



Unfortunately not that competent in being solvent though.........if the Government saves them (which it probably will try to do) then the taxpayers should get assets to cover it....and the directors walk away with nothing


Companies get into trouble for lots of reasons. I'm just saying the impression I got is that in terms of doing the HS2 work, they're competent.

There are state aid rules protecting the taxpayer, so I'm reasonably optimistic. I'd guess that the PFI contracts are worth a fair bit.

Author:  HindleA [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 8:49 pm ]
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@tinybgoat hopefully you are not getting anymore nightmares,if it is any consolation the reality is far worse.

Author:  HindleA [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 8:58 pm ]
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I take a little framed picture of my better half everywhere,including work-fridge/freezer.She hated the cold."Bastard'.

Author:  AnatolyKasparov [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 8:59 pm ]
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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Laura Pidock on the frontbench.


Good to see another Laura from the 2017 intake - the very good Laura Smith - get a frontbench position. Also that Clive Lewis is back 8-)

Author:  PaulfromYorkshire [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 9:08 pm ]
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Laura Pidock on the frontbench.


Good to see another Laura from the 2017 intake - the very good Laura Smith - get a frontbench position. Also that Clive Lewis is back 8-)

Yes and folk rightly pointing out that Lewis has had to accept a relatively junior post and will have to work his way back up. Good for him for accepting.

Author:  PaulfromYorkshire [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 9:17 pm ]
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And Jezza has obviously been reading FTN because there is a shadow minister for buses ;-)

Author:  HindleA [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 9:42 pm ]
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That's PF off my Christmas card list.

Author:  howsillyofme1 [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 9:43 pm ]
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HindleA wrote:
That's PF off my Christmas card list.


was she on it?

Author:  HindleA [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 9:44 pm ]
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Is there one?

Author:  gilsey [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 10:00 pm ]
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Does Farage want a second referendum so Leave can lose it?

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There is a significant strand of Brexiter thinking, exemplified by Farage, which is besotted with a self-pitying sense of victimhood. For these people, winning the Referendum was actually a catastrophe, taking away their victim status and requiring them to do something quite hateful to them: to take responsibility for delivering what they said they wanted and which they claimed would be easy.

http://chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.co. ... l?spref=tw

Author:  Tubby Isaacs [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 10:38 pm ]
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The best thing for Leave to do is boycott the second referendum, on the grounds that the Prime Minister said the last one was final.

Author:  PorFavor [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 10:39 pm ]
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gilsey wrote:
Does Farage want a second referendum so Leave can lose it?

Quote:
There is a significant strand of Brexiter thinking, exemplified by Farage, which is besotted with a self-pitying sense of victimhood. For these people, winning the Referendum was actually a catastrophe, taking away their victim status and requiring them to do something quite hateful to them: to take responsibility for delivering what they said they wanted and which they claimed would be easy.

http://chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.co. ... l?spref=tw


I suppose if the "Outers" lost a second referendum they could go back to their comfort zone
- but they surely couldn't agitate for yet another shot at leaving the EU (which is\was a mainstay of their comfort zone). Aimless grumbling? Perhaps, after all, that really is, for most of them, their comfort zone and raison d'etre. Glower without responsibility . . .

Author:  Tubby Isaacs [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 10:42 pm ]
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That wouldn't be Farage's motive. Brexit goes ahead, goes badly, he just says Theresa May is a "liberal" or whatever.

I do like Glower without responsibility!

Author:  citizenJA [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 10:44 pm ]
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Goodnight, everyone
love,
cJA

Author:  PorFavor [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 10:51 pm ]
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@citizenJA

Night night.

Author:  Tubby Isaacs [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 10:53 pm ]
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
And Jezza has obviously been reading FTN because there is a shadow minister for buses ;-)


That is a very good idea.

Author:  Tubby Isaacs [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 10:54 pm ]
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Night, Citizen!

Author:  Tubby Isaacs [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 10:56 pm ]
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I see outward looking, the world doesn't end at Europe, bring on the world, Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson attacked Sadiq Khan, but didn't say anything about Trump being very rude about Africa- where I believe there are a few Commonwealth countries.

Author:  PorFavor [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 11:02 pm ]
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Night night.

Author:  Tubby Isaacs [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 11:11 pm ]
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Night, PF!

Author:  HindleA [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 11:47 pm ]
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Osborne'HB for 18-21 yr olds cut probably costing more than it supposedly saves.

Author:  HindleA [ Fri 12 Jan, 2018 11:51 pm ]
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"There's a novelty"

Author:  HindleA [ Sat 13 Jan, 2018 2:57 am ]
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-4 ... ws_central


Top challenges for new work and pensions secretary

Author:  HindleA [ Sat 13 Jan, 2018 3:35 am ]
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Not compulsively lying.

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