FlyTheNest

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/ ... ehold-case" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Property market braces for shockwaves from landmark leasehold case

Something like Efta might be acceptable to leavers if sold as a short term measure, i.e. a stepping stone to full independence, and to some remainers as keeping close to eu.
(For reasons you've already given) Still seems worse option than staying in eu, though.

I'm afraid I am being a little dense here

We now seem to have moved to EFTA meaning 'the Single Market' rather than EEA - I know the two have a close link but the presence of Switzerland messes it up a bit. So do we envisage EFTA+bilaterals or really EFTA-EEA as the definition of the Single Market

Clearly EFTA and the EEA specifically exclude a Custom's Union so if we go for EEA/CU then we are pretty much EU (with some exemptions under the EEA agreement) without a say

I know I can keep going on about this but I feel there is a call for us to condemn anybody who does not sign up to this concept of 'Single Market' but when I ask what treaties set out its scope so I can go and look at them I get different answers.

It also still does not answer my question as to whether EEA and a CU similar to now will be acceptable to the electorate due to the clear democratic deficit in our future relations with the EU - or do you envisage a solution I haven't considered?

Also, these treaties are linked to membership of an organisation - so at the moment EU, EFTA and EEA. In this future relationship are we going to have our links to the EU defined in part by being a member of the EEA or are we expecting a bilateral agreement that starts as the same as the EEA and how would that evolve?

I keep asking this because we see time and again SM/CU thrown around as the answer to everything and Labour (specifically) should just agree to that - I just see some consequences of that decision and would like to be reassured

If I am being particularly stupid then please tell me why and I will shut up about it

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... are_btn_tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


How Toby Young got where he isn’t today
Stewart Lee

From the White Pendragons:

One man shouted “No to the EU” and another displayed a US flag.

If I understand correctly we are taking back control from Europe so we can hand it over to Trump.

Not farcical at all.

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... are_btn_tw


How Toby Young got where he isn’t today
Stewart Lee

wonderful
Mr citizen and I thoroughly enjoyed it

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... es-aged-71" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Falklands hero surgeon Rick Jolly dies aged 71
Royal Navy surgeon was honoured by Britain and Argentina for saving lives of service personnel on both sides of 1982 war

tinyclanger2 wrote:From the White Pendragons:

One man shouted “No to the EU” and another displayed a US flag.

If I understand correctly we are taking back control from Europe so we can hand it over to Trump.

Not farcical at all.

makes my head ache, Trump and Brexit
wouldn't break my heart if they were both forgotten

@Cja,TY has an "article" in the Spectator playing the martyr.

Dad happens to have the South Atlantic Medal.I may have mentioned his assuming a different identity.

tinyclanger2 wrote:From the White Pendragons:

One man shouted “No to the EU” and another displayed a US flag.

If I understand correctly we are taking back control from Europe so we can hand it over to Trump.

Not farcical at all.

I watched a video interview with some of them on that twitter - same sort of oddballs as Brian Gerrish and UK Column.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Brian_Gerrish" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

howsillyofme1 wrote:

Something like Efta might be acceptable to leavers if sold as a short term measure, i.e. a stepping stone to full independence, and to some remainers as keeping close to eu.
(For reasons you've already given) Still seems worse option than staying in eu, though.

I'm afraid I am being a little dense here

We now seem to have moved to EFTA meaning 'the Single Market' rather than EEA - I know the two have a close link but the presence of Switzerland messes it up a bit. So do we envisage EFTA+bilaterals or really EFTA-EEA as the definition of the Single Market

Clearly EFTA and the EEA specifically exclude a Custom's Union so if we go for EEA/CU then we are pretty much EU (with some exemptions under the EEA agreement) without a say

I know I can keep going on about this but I feel there is a call for us to condemn anybody who does not sign up to this concept of 'Single Market' but when I ask what treaties set out its scope so I can go and look at them I get different answers.

It also still does not answer my question as to whether EEA and a CU similar to now will be acceptable to the electorate due to the clear democratic deficit in our future relations with the EU - or do you envisage a solution I haven't considered?

Also, these treaties are linked to membership of an organisation - so at the moment EU, EFTA and EEA. In this future relationship are we going to have our links to the EU defined in part by being a member of the EEA or are we expecting a bilateral agreement that starts as the same as the EEA and how would that evolve?

I keep asking this because we see time and again SM/CU thrown around as the answer to everything and Labour (specifically) should just agree to that - I just see some consequences of that decision and would like to be reassured

If I am being particularly stupid then please tell me why and I will shut up about it

Actually, I think your analysis is spot on & I don't think Labour should just follow an existing arrangement, it's just a feeling that the end result is going to be something like Efta/EEA.
Maybe something like
http://efta4uk.eu/into-the-brexit-minefield/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
&
http://www.norgroveblog.co.uk/2018/01/a ... n.html?m=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
(think these are both Oliver Norgrove)

& Yes, it leaves a democratic defect, and room for improvement.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... is-worsens" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA wrote:@Cja,TY has an "article" in the Spectator playing the martyr.

poor lamb

One of our heaters isn't working

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... is-worsens

'Medical students urged to volunteer as NHS winter crisis worsens'
oh, jesus

There are resources enough ensuring no one in the nation goes without

The Board of Carillion makes a final rescue appeal to its lenders ahead of a decision to appoint administrators. (Sky TV News tickertape thingy)

citizenJA wrote:One of our heaters isn't working

I hope you can get it mended or replaced quickly. Meanwhile, wrap up warmly, won't you?

What's it going to be then, eh?

In the single market or out? Are we with those Labour MP's calling for clarity or are we sitting on the fence hoping for the best?

Because I'll not vote Labour at the next GE if this nonsense continues. And I won't be alone.

PorFavor wrote:

citizenJA wrote:One of our heaters isn't working

I hope you can get it mended or replaced quickly. Meanwhile, wrap up warmly, won't you?

Yes, we're okay. I should have indicated that. I've been reading the Carillion news. My agitation helps keep me warm.

Night night.

Sky'sGoneOut wrote:What's it going to be then, eh?

In the single market or out? Are we with those Labour MP's calling for clarity or are we sitting on the fence hoping for the best?

Because I'll not vote Labour at the next GE if this nonsense continues. And I won't be alone.

Not intending to be disrespectful, this reminded me of Paradise by the Dashboard Light

Sky'sGoneOut wrote:What's it going to be then, eh?

In the single market or out? Are we with those Labour MP's calling for clarity or are we sitting on the fence hoping for the best?

Because I'll not vote Labour at the next GE if this nonsense continues. And I won't be alone.

Vote Green. Perfectly acceptable on both the single market and customs union, unlike Labour. It is an easy choice.

PorFavor wrote:Night night.

Goodnight, PorFavor

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Turkey plane: Panic as jet skids off runway at Trabzon

I could vote Alliance for Green Socialism which is a bloke called Mike. I watched him fall over repeatedly last year after getting him pissed.

There's something beautiful about such people.

Not what they say but their peculiar determination, it has to be respected.

Shame if Izzard doesn't make the NEC some excellent ideas on dragging the Labour Party vaguely into the twenty first century in inclusivity terms.

[youtube]BGqhzbVd4_Y[/youtube]
(couldn't bring myself to link to Shakin' Stevens)

inclusivity, sounds wonderful, what do you mean by it?

To include mad fuckers like me? No. You'll include fat girls and those born with flippers.

I love them every bit as much as I hate myself.

[youtube]ReYu-qts2Dg[/youtube]

HindleA wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42680238


Turkey plane: Panic as jet skids off runway at Trabzon

ouch!

Everyone on board was evacuated safely, provincial governor Yucel Yavuz said. No injuries were reported.

.. bet they still wouldn't let them off until they'd bought their Britney Spears perfume ( or whatever you get on airplanes nowadays)

@sky

And the pretty basic stuff of access,you would hope Labour would be at the vanguard of reasonable adjustments/alternative practical ways but woefully inadequate eg.you must attend all the meeting from the start(that you difficulty getting to/attending and certainly staying for three plus hours) if you want to vote for branch nomination of candidate etc.

Can postal vote on exception for candidate but not full and equal democracy.

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Or "democracy"

@tinybgoat

Dad was due to take this but got thankfully got a different one.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan-Air_Flight_0034" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

When he was being himself before being a South African boxer with a Scottish accent.

Sky'sGoneOut wrote:inclusivity, sounds wonderful, what do you mean by it?

To include mad fuckers like me? No. You'll include fat girls and those born with flippers.

I love them every bit as much as I hate myself.

[youtube]ReYu-qts2Dg[/youtube]

Don't hate yourself, please don't. Just learn to live with yourself.
We are all imperfect, otherwise we would have evolved to a higher place.
For me, maybe one day, but not soon

Maybe he is and the assumed identity is my dad.

I would say celebrate imperfection,certainly the "perfect" seem a lot of twatheads to me.

[youtube]2GYCRTvRSHc[/youtube]

I had an Asian pimp try to take me on this evening.

Much shouting was done.

Sky'sGoneOut wrote:I had an Asian pimp try to take me on this evening.

Much shouting was done.

http://www.dcscience.net/2018/01/14/eug ... of-speech/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Eugenics, UCL and freedom of speech

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... rs#history" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Report on review of cash allowance paid to asylum seekers


Going up by 80p per week to £37.75