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Not much reason to hope in this survey of our parliamentary representatives I fear:

http://ukandeu.ac.uk/survey-of-mps-reve ... er-brexit/

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Almost two-thirds of Conservative MPs (65%) agreed that ‘no deal is better than a bad deal’


With ex-Tory ministers allegedly advising Chinese billionaires how to cash in on Brexit and a majority of Tory voters worried about the state of the NHS - but not enough to stop voting Tory - it's hard to see how we get off our current self-destructive path.

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Not much reason to hope in this survey of our parliamentary representatives I fear:

http://ukandeu.ac.uk/survey-of-mps-reve ... er-brexit/

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Almost two-thirds of Conservative MPs (65%) agreed that ‘no deal is better than a bad deal’


With ex-Tory ministers allegedly advising Chinese billionaires how to cash in on Brexit and a majority of Tory voters worried about the state of the NHS - but not enough to stop voting Tory - it's hard to see how we get off our current self-destructive path.


I think this is true. It seems to be the case that there is a majority in the conservative party in the country for the most extreme path but it has seemed that this might be less true for the conservative party in parliament - that appears not to be the case from this. The majority of them appear to demand something which simply is not available, which they must know is simply not available (and I apologise for the shouty writing but there really seems no other way) but which they are continuing to demand anyway.

I still think - and will continue to think until proved wrong by events - that when push comes to shove such tory rebels as there are will not risk the forcing of a general election, and I still think - and will continue to think until proved wrong by events - that the likelihood of the government choosing to go to the polls before 2022 is vanishingly small at the moment, and is likely to get smaller as things get worse and labour maintain or extend a small poll lead (which I say despite what we all know about opinion polls). I think it's hugely likely that May will follow what she thinks is right and, for that matter, necessary for her party rather than for the country and will pursue nonsense rather than sense.

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Good summary from Tony Yates.
https://twitter.com/t0nyyates/status/955353978283241472
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Not much reason to hope in this survey of our parliamentary representatives I fear:

http://ukandeu.ac.uk/survey-of-mps-reve ... er-brexit/

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Almost two-thirds of Conservative MPs (65%) agreed that ‘no deal is better than a bad deal’


With ex-Tory ministers allegedly advising Chinese billionaires how to cash in on Brexit and a majority of Tory voters worried about the state of the NHS - but not enough to stop voting Tory - it's hard to see how we get off our current self-destructive path.


Yet.


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Willow904 wrote:
Not much reason to hope in this survey of our parliamentary representatives I fear:

http://ukandeu.ac.uk/survey-of-mps-reve ... er-brexit/

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Almost two-thirds of Conservative MPs (65%) agreed that ‘no deal is better than a bad deal’


With ex-Tory ministers allegedly advising Chinese billionaires how to cash in on Brexit and a majority of Tory voters worried about the state of the NHS - but not enough to stop voting Tory - it's hard to see how we get off our current self-destructive path.


Yet.


It does raise questions of what on earth it would take.

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On past evidence, things getting bad enough for long enough.


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Do they have a deputy assistant deputy leader? And, if so, does s\he have an assistant?



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And its not that surprising, even if depressing, that many Tory MPs still want free unicorns (a caveat that it was apparently a self-selecting sample, however)


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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Willow904 wrote:
Not much reason to hope in this survey of our parliamentary representatives I fear:

http://ukandeu.ac.uk/survey-of-mps-reve ... er-brexit/
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Almost two-thirds of Conservative MPs (65%) agreed that ‘no deal is better than a bad deal’
With ex-Tory ministers allegedly advising Chinese billionaires how to cash in on Brexit and a majority of Tory voters worried about the state of the NHS - but not enough to stop voting Tory - it's hard to see how we get off our current self-destructive path.
Yet.
The tipping point often happens in an astonishingly short period of time instigated by a small number of people turning the tide, stopping a bad course.
A tipping point may not happen at all, we proceed down a self-destructive path, arrive in some pretty shit. I hope for the former.


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And its not that surprising, even if depressing, that many Tory MPs still want free unicorns (a caveat that it was apparently a self-selecting sample, however)
They've got to have something wrong with them thinking it'll work out okay. Inadequate education, I guess.


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And its not that surprising, even if depressing, that many Tory MPs still want free unicorns (a caveat that it was apparently a self-selecting sample, however)

They think they'd get them if only those pesky Eurocrats weren't plotting.

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The Times (paywall) says European Union leaders in Brussels have drawn up a secret high-risk strategy to undermine Theresa May and exploit Westminster’s political divisions with the objective of “softening” Brexit.
In a plan being co-ordinated by Donald Tusk, president of the European Council, the EU is preparing to reject British government proposals for a bespoke sectoral deal when negotiations begin in April.

Instead European leaders will insist that if the government sticks to its red lines of pulling out of Europe’s customs union and single market then the EU will offer nothing more than a limited free trade agreement.

Spectacular spin from the Times.
'Secret high-risk strategy' = what the EU have been saying in public from day one.

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“Flooded with debt: regulatory capital in the UK water industry.” https://www.ft.com/content/b7e28a58-f7b ... 65a6ce1a00

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Ann Pettifor‏
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Following @AnnPettifor
“Flooded with debt: regulatory capital in the UK water industry.” https://www.ft.com/content/b7e28a58-f7b ... 65a6ce1a00

https://twitter.com/AnnPettifor/status/ ... 5753083906


Ah, another privatisation success.


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I found this and the BTL discussion quite interesting

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2018 ... ion-wrong/

the-centre-for-policy-studies-has-get-every-part-of-its-scare-story-on-the-cost-of-nationalisation-wrong


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Quiet today, isn't it?


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Quiet today, isn't it?

You can correct this if the Rowson doesn't come out :-)

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I see that Blair has been holding forth on stuff today, again.

Again he is urging us to be chummy with Trump - is he after a job?


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When's this Theresa May speech thing happening (or have I missed it, jumped the gun, or totally misunderstood)?


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When's this Theresa May speech thing happening (or have I missed it, jumped the gun, or totally misunderstood)?

Eh?


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the apples purchased yesterday were every one of them badly bruised all over - it wasn't obvious until they were out of the bag
I think they were picked up off the ground
they taste horrid
I'll have to put them into a honey-brandy-rhubarb crumble


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When's this Theresa May speech thing happening (or have I missed it, jumped the gun, or totally misunderstood)?

Eh?


Oh.


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Business leaders are privately pushing for a new campaign to reverse Brexit as concerns mount about the viability of government plans to prevent a collapse in exports to Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rse-brexit

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French president says UK took risk in way it let voters decide ‘very complicated subject’


No F***ing kidding

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When's this Theresa May speech thing happening (or have I missed it, jumped the gun, or totally misunderstood)?

Eh?


Oh.

One day in Ftn-land, it was quiet, so PorFavor & citizenJA formed a Teletubby tribute act...


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Of which T3 (T the T T) was the manager

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@frog222 - make sure both the 'img' tags are on the same line as the link to the image. Your close tag keeps appearing on the next line.

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Munich - next month (the speech - on defence).


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Munich - next month (the speech - on defence).

I've got it pencilled in


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Munich - next month (the speech - on defence).

What could possibly go wrong?


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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
I see that Blair has been holding forth on stuff today, again.

Again he is urging us to be chummy with Trump - is he after a job?



Not, of course, anything remotely like anything he said. Probably what you'd like him to say

https://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/lo ... 46236.html

"No matter what you think of Donald Trump, Britain has to keep its relationship with America strong.”"


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Munich - next month (the speech - on defence).

What could possibly go wrong?
I've an eraser on my pencil


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Good evening

Poor old Tony....sad when I cannot summon the energy to argue against him now as he is so discredited......having no discernible principles catches up with you eventually

He likes autocratic rich people now doesn't he....so expect he is pretty up for Trump


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https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/ther ... 46496.html
"Theresa May is to meet Donald Trump at the Davos summit of world leaders — which opened today with a warning that Britain will fail to see economic growth pick up as other nations surge ahead."
looks a bit like someone threw lots of loosely connected quotes together:
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A Treasury spokeswoman said: “We are building a Britain that is fit for the future by improving skills, backing innovation and investing in infrastructure to deliver a stronger economy and guarantee a better future for the next generation.”

A guarantee, no less. More snake oil.


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there's a new John Crace article
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https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/theresa-may-to-meet-trump-for-talks-in-davos-as-imf-warns-world-growth-will-leave-brexit-britain-a3746496.html
"Theresa May is to meet Donald Trump at the Davos summit of world leaders — which opened today with a warning that Britain will fail to see economic growth pick up as other nations surge ahead."
looks a bit like someone threw lots of loosely connected quotes together:
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A Treasury spokeswoman said: “We are building a Britain that is fit for the future by improving skills, backing innovation and investing in infrastructure to deliver a stronger economy and guarantee a better future for the next generation.”

A guarantee, no less. More snake oil.



Could have saved time by simply saying, "Stronger and stabler."


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@frog222 - make sure both the 'img' tags are on the same line as the link to the image. Your close tag keeps appearing on the next line.

Fixed your post above.

THANKS !

I looked but didn't see that difference .

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I've not explored this blog so not sure where it's starting point is, as far as Brexit (see adverts on the side) but it's still an interesting view on DD

Brexit: a Walter Mitty (sometimes) in Brussels

http://eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86594

..and

Brexit: disaster capitalism

http://eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86556

(Just looked the author up - I feel I should have known him - he is a brexiteer)


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@frog222 - make sure both the 'img' tags are on the same line as the link to the image. Your close tag keeps appearing on the next line.

Fixed your post above.

THANKS !

I looked but didn't see that difference .

Your original post was like this:
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It needs to all be on one line:
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Anger at nearly £4k disabled parking bay charge

Cornwall Council charges applicants for a disabled bay thousands of pounds but elsewhere people pay nothing.

Councillor Richard Pears said the authority is "effectively charging people for being disabled" and the cost should be subsidised.

Cornwall Council said the £3,800 cost is for a Traffic Regulation Order, advertising, public consultation and painting the new bay.

However, once installed the space does not guarantee parking for an individual as it is available for any disabled person to use. (BBC News website)


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Have we had this? If we have, sorry.

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Senior figures in CBI urge lobby group to toughen its message amid concerns over exports

Business leaders are privately pushing for a new campaign to reverse Brexit as concerns mount about the viability of government plans to prevent a collapse in exports to Europe. (Guardian)


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/22/business-leaders-push-for-new-campaign-to-reverse-brexit


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Which didn't work. Houston, we have . . .


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Which didn't work. Houston, we have . . .

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