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From my experience, this is just a symptom of a much larger change in the membership. Perhaps not reflected in all CLPs, but certainly in mine.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/734e ... cf9f50529e" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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A whole week late to this, but it is clearly right

http://www.labourfirst.org/copy_of_councillors_letter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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SpinningHugo wrote:A whole week late to this, but it is clearly right

http://www.labourfirst.org/copy_of_councillors_letter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
none of your business - you have no connection to the Labour Party

I am a member and I completely disagree with the behaviour of Haringey Council and their leadership in this matter

If you want a say join the party - tell me if you are planning though and I can try to block your membership application as you would be a clear entryist
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Good interview with kober on Marr I thought. Good *because* she was robustly challenged with the kind of points people on here would want put.

I wonder if front rank politicians are given an easier ride because it is feared they wouldn't otherwise come back?
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SpinningHugo wrote:Good interview with Lover on Marr I thought. Good *because* she was robustly challenged with the kind of points people on here would want put.

I wonder if front rank politicians are given an easier ride because it is feared they wouldn't otherwise come back?

I watched the same interview - she made a lot of accusations but I have seen stuff many times from her wing of the party allegations that turn out not quite to have been as suggested. Look at the JRM accusations early in the weekend - if you did (just a little) deeper then you find not all the seems

It was a typical Marr interview - rather shallow and I did not see her being 'robustly challenged' at all

It does not seem he does any real preparation any more - the only decent question I have seen him ask anyone was around his own experience on the NHS.

I personally prefer debates between two people who know the detail of something rather than an 'interviewer' who does not know enough to challenge the claims made
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SpinningHugo wrote:From my experience, this is just a symptom of a much larger change in the membership. Perhaps not reflected in all CLPs, but certainly in mine.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/734e ... cf9f50529e" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
So you extrapolate a "larger change in the membership" from a single CLP that I thought you were no longer a member of?

Would you like to retract this claim?
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and to add to my previous post and she has clear evidence of stalking threats and clear evidence of anti-semitism is she, by not reporting them, aiding this type of behaviour

She said it was councillors inmate council meeting for the former so she should, surely, have plenty of witnesses and should have gone to the police or the party?
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:From my experience, this is just a symptom of a much larger change in the membership. Perhaps not reflected in all CLPs, but certainly in mine.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/734e ... cf9f50529e" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
So you extrapolate a "larger change in the membership" from a single CLP that I thought you were no longer a member of?

Would you like to retract this claim?
Not at all. See the report. Reflects my own experience.
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SpinningHugo wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:From my experience, this is just a symptom of a much larger change in the membership. Perhaps not reflected in all CLPs, but certainly in mine.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/734e ... cf9f50529e" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
So you extrapolate a "larger change in the membership" from a single CLP that I thought you were no longer a member of?

Would you like to retract this claim?
Not at all. See the report. Reflects my own experience.
Do you want to give those of us without access to the Times a hint?
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The gist is at the top
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Needlessly rude arse
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SpinningHugo wrote:From my experience, this is just a symptom of a much larger change in the membership. Perhaps not reflected in all CLPs, but certainly in mine.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/734e ... cf9f50529e" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Ah yes, the completely unbiased objective and facts devoted Times/ST :D :D :D

A crude propaganda rag no better than the Sun and Mail, just with some lingering - and these days wholly false - pretensions to proper journalism.

But of course, YOU believe everything in it unquestioningly.

Sad!
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... 0s-germany" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Leading Brexiters who accuse civil servants of sabotaging Britain’s exit from the EU are adopting dangerous tactics similar to those of rightwing German nationalists between the two world wars, a former head of the civil service has warned.

In a stark assessment of the acute tensions developing over the issue, Andrew Turnbull, who led the civil service under Tony Blair, said that Whitehall officials had become the victims of “pre-emptive scapegoating” by Brexiters who feared they were losing the argument.
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Of course without knowing the constituency or indeed the veracity of actual experience or not there is no basis of reasonable good faith discussion.I have turned into a rabbit,not everybody has,prove me wrong.Rabbit changing deniers!
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I really thought we'd cracked it the other week.
But no.
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Google "needlessly rude arse"
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HindleA wrote:Of course without knowing the constituency or indeed the veracity of actual experience or not there is no basis of reasonable good faith discussion.I have turned into a rabbit,not everybody has,prove me wrong.Rabbit changing deniers!
Anybody can pray unverifiable anecdote in their aid.

Contrary to what SH asserts, the above (propaganda) piece does not reflect what has happened in my CLP nor any others that I have some knowledge of.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/for ... 90686.html
Goodbye grid girls – there is no place in sport for sexual objectification anymore
I am genuinely puzzled by the gender equality movement. If I understand correctly, only certain types of women are allowed now? Not those who want to be, say, cheerleaders? And where are Madonna and Miley Cyrus on this spectrum. Aren't they objectifying women?

I do recall the discussion around the first female Dr Who about how she wasn't going to be tramping around a field wearing stilletoes and getting someone to help her with her sonic screwdriver - but why not? Some women do wear stilletoes and some aren't into DIY. Is that not allowed now?
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When did you leave the Labour Party then Hugo?

Must have been a while ago as you have been bragging about opposing Labour for as long as I can remember

A Labour member exhorting others to vote Green at every opportunity?

Your stories never seem to lack consistency - whatever the route you take seems to be about blaming Labour for something or another.
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Anger over glut of ‘posh ghost towers’ planned for London

Councils in capital have approved thousands of £1m-plus flats despite crisis in affordable housing, new figures show (Guardian)
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Good morfternoon ;-)
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And the various unsubstantiated assertions of Kober this morning are already being dismantled on social media. Still, THE NARRATIVE is all that counts eh?
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:From my experience, this is just a symptom of a much larger change in the membership. Perhaps not reflected in all CLPs, but certainly in mine.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/734e ... cf9f50529e" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Ah yes, the completely unbiased objective and facts devoted Times/ST :D :D :D

A crude propaganda rag no better than the Sun and Mail, just with some lingering - and these days wholly false - pretensions to proper journalism.

But of course, YOU believe everything in it unquestioningly.

Sad!

FIne. Attack the source. Do you think it factually inaccurate, if so how?


We saw the same thing with Ian Lavery. Some were content to say "it is the Sunday Times, forget it." Looking at the Northumberland Minerworkers Union accounts I think that is just hopeless.

We still await Lavery's promised legal action.

I think the Times a perfectly reasonable paper. I think the FT the best by far, but the Times isn't bad. Certainly on a par with the Guardian, and much better than the Telegraph.
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You purposefully haven't linked the full article.Suspending critical faculties according to ascribed "reasonableness" of source is ridiculous.
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@tc2 A bit of a minefield.I sometimes get into robust discussions about the fact that just under half of carers are male and my dislike of the "giving up" something thing.
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SpinningHugo wrote:The gist is at the top
There's a hard-left infiltration of all the CLPs, forcing out all the moderate supporters to install a Marxist MP?

Am I close? Because your reply was less than helpful.
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refitman wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:The gist is at the top
There's a hard-left infiltration of all the CLPs, forcing out all the moderate supporters to install a Marxist MP?

Am I close? Because your reply was less than helpful.
And this is verified by SH's experience of his local CLP that he hasn't presumably attended in the years since he resigned

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Perhaps time to change the subject?
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tinyclanger2 wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/for ... 90686.html
Goodbye grid girls – there is no place in sport for sexual objectification anymore
I am genuinely puzzled by the gender equality movement. If I understand correctly, only certain types of women are allowed now? Not those who want to be, say, cheerleaders? And where are Madonna and Miley Cyrus on this spectrum. Aren't they objectifying women?

I do recall the discussion around the first female Dr Who about how she wasn't going to be tramping around a field wearing stilletoes and getting someone to help her with her sonic screwdriver - but why not? Some women do wear stilletoes and some aren't into DIY. Is that not allowed now?
This may be read completely wrong, so I apologise in advance for putting over the wrong impression.

My view is that grid-girls and darts valets and the like are just there to provide something to look at. They could be replaced by a sign on a pole and all you would lose is the T&A.

Cheerleaders/Madonna/Miley are actually doing something that requires skill (is that the right word) and they do something that can be separated from how they look.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42935058" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Amber Rudd hits back at Tory Brexiteers
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refitman wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:The gist is at the top
There's a hard-left infiltration of all the CLPs, forcing out all the moderate supporters to install a Marxist MP?

Am I close? Because your reply was less than helpful.
No. That would be a ridiculous and untrue thing to say.

The actual claim is that a number of those expelled from Labour, for supporting proscribed groups or expressing anti-semitic views, have now been readmitted.

Did you not read the top?

I think Creasy's comments on Peston were extremely moderate on this point, but seem to have attracted the usual social media outrage (from many of those similarly outraged by Kober). She is clearly and obviously in the wrong party. I know she thinks it her duty to fight, but she has obviously lost.
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Perhaps time to change the subject?
I did have a stab at it.
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refitman wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/for ... 90686.html
Goodbye grid girls – there is no place in sport for sexual objectification anymore
I am genuinely puzzled by the gender equality movement. If I understand correctly, only certain types of women are allowed now? Not those who want to be, say, cheerleaders? And where are Madonna and Miley Cyrus on this spectrum. Aren't they objectifying women?

I do recall the discussion around the first female Dr Who about how she wasn't going to be tramping around a field wearing stilletoes and getting someone to help her with her sonic screwdriver - but why not? Some women do wear stilletoes and some aren't into DIY. Is that not allowed now?
This may be read completely wrong, so I apologise in advance for putting over the wrong impression.

My view is that grid-girls and darts valets and the like are just there to provide something to look at. They could be replaced by a sign on a pole and all you would lose is the T&A.

Cheerleaders/Madonna/Miley are actually doing something that requires skill (is that the right word) and they do something that can be separated from how they look.
Well indeed. It's odd isn't it that there are no grid boys?
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tinyclanger2 wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Perhaps time to change the subject?
I did have a stab at it.
I know ;-)
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And BTW despite repeat visits to the Fenton I still haven't seen any clangers!
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If what you've got is glamour, why not earn a living from it?
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:And BTW despite repeat visits to the Fenton I still haven't seen any clangers!
You will.
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Genuine choice/control.
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Absolutely. But I don't (currently) assume that no grid girl or darts girl (or model) actually wants to be one.
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I find the shift from the "women should be looking after the home/children" to expected to work at an ever decreasing age of children interesting,and similarities with the appropriation of the State's to own ends of the sick/disabled desire to participate/work/be equal citizens.
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@tc2 on their terms?To be clear I get your point.
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tinyclanger2 wrote:Absolutely. But I don't (currently) assume that no grid girl or darts girl (or model) actually wants to be one.
I think it's the overall image of what success looks like that I find worrying.

Where are the millionaire women Formula 1 drivers surrounded by hunky men?

Where are the openly gay Formula 1 drivers surrounded by, well who would you surround them with?
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Off to buy carrots.
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According to the article I read at the Express (yeuch), Mike Sivier has NOT been readmitted to Labour because he declined to accept the requirement that he would undertake training on anti-semitism.
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And now for something completely different . . .
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