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Notice that Labour still hasn't reacted to this Customs Union row.

Labour should commit now to permanent membership of the Customs Union (or for fools, permanently being in a Customs Union with materially identical terms).

Labour must now dismiss the views of the shadow secretary of state for international trade as wrong

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ain-europe

Get on the right side FFS.



They have committed to the Customs Union for the transition - why go further at the moment just when the Tories are tying themselves in knots?

I am not going to explain to you the difference between the definite and indefinite article again.......you are obviously too thick to understand the difference between the two - I may be a fool but at least I can understand relatively simple concepts

We do not know what a future customs union will be like or whether we will be allowed to just join the EU CU just like that.

Name me one country outside the EU that is in the Customs Union?

The actual detail would need to be worked out in the negotiations in order to find something that works for both sides and meets the red lines. That may be the EU CU or it may be something slightly different - whilst that is not clear then I find the description you have alluded to be that of fools to be the more useful


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They have committed to the Customs Union for the transition - why go further at the moment just when the Tories are tying themselves in knots?


Yes, that is all that is needed right now IMO and still gives them a clear point of difference with the government.


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The Conservatives have at least succeeded in getting the press to regard "Brexit" as being all about the Conservative party - that is to say, it is largely being treated by the media as a parochial, and personality focussed matter rather than as a potential national disaster. A victory of sorts.




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Corbyn says Trump wrong about the NHS and those who marched to defend it

Jeremy Corbyn has also also hit back at President Trump over the NHS. (See 1.58pm.) He says (correctly) that Trump 100% misinterpreted the motives of those taking part in the pro-NHS march in London on Saturday.

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Wrong. People were marching because we love our NHS and hate what the Tories are doing to it. Healthcare is a human right. https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/sta ... 4818450432
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Yes, that is all that is needed right now IMO and still gives them a clear point of difference with the government.


Daft, unless you think some possible alternative solution is possible post 2021 (There isn't, unless you think it plausible the north of Ireland can leave the UK and reunite with the south. JC does of course.)


Get on the side of reality.


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PorFavor wrote:
The Conservatives have at least succeeded in getting the press to regard "Brexit" as being all about the Conservative party - that is to say, it is largely being treated by the media as a parochial, and personality focussed matter rather than as a potential national disaster. A victory of sorts.




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Well, it is, in the absence of any coherent opposition. There isn't any. The opposition don't matter because they've not tried to form a coherent block backing the CU and SM. They haven't tried because that is not what the leadership wants.


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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 95306.html
"Theresa May rebuked by UK statistics watchdog over NHS Wales criticism"
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In a letter to Mr Jones, Sir David said: "You are right to say that the comparison is not valid.
"The figure used for England refers to the accident and emergency wait time from the decision to admit to admission into another part of the health service.
"The figure used for Wales represents the entire time patients wait from arriving to leaving accident and emergency services, including the time from decision to admit to actual admission."


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SpinningHugo wrote:
PorFavor wrote:
The Conservatives have at least succeeded in getting the press to regard "Brexit" as being all about the Conservative party - that is to say, it is largely being treated by the media as a parochial, and personality focussed matter rather than as a potential national disaster. A victory of sorts.




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Well, it is, in the absence of any coherent opposition. There isn't any. The opposition don't matter because they've not tried to form a coherent block backing the CU and SM. They haven't tried because that is not what the leadership wants.

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Yes, that is all that is needed right now IMO and still gives them a clear point of difference with the government.


Daft, unless you think some possible alternative solution is possible post 2021 (There isn't, unless you think it plausible the north of Ireland can leave the UK and reunite with the south. JC does of course.)


Get on the side of reality.

Can I just check who or what you are accusing of being daft?


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Everybody but themselves, as per usual? :)


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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
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Yes, that is all that is needed right now IMO and still gives them a clear point of difference with the government.


Daft, unless you think some possible alternative solution is possible post 2021 (There isn't, unless you think it plausible the north of Ireland can leave the UK and reunite with the south. JC does of course.)


Get on the side of reality.

Can I just check who or what you are accusing of being daft?



AK. But generally the Labour reactionaries like Barrry Gardiner who are opposing a policy that will have to be adopted eventually anyway.


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SpinningHugo wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
howsillyofme1 wrote:
They have committed to the Customs Union for the transition - why go further at the moment just when the Tories are tying themselves in knots?


Yes, that is all that is needed right now IMO and still gives them a clear point of difference with the government.


Daft, unless you think some possible alternative solution is possible post 2021 (There isn't, unless you think it plausible the north of Ireland can leave the UK and reunited with the south. JC does of course.)


Get on the side of reality.



Again, an insult because you are seemingly not able to understand things that do not fit into your narrow and limited intellect

The current Labour plan is to commit to the status quo for now whilst the future state is identified. That future state is to be negotiated and may be a continuation of the status quo or some other similar custom union with the EU - ensuring there is no hard Irish border

Unlike the EEA agreement there is no current example of what the complexities and difficulties in an 3rd country being part of the EU CU would entail - perhaps there are none, perhaps there are loads - we have no current examples

Due to this the phrase 'a customs union with the same benefits' seems entirely reasonable - and that is what Labour have said

You are like a hard Brexiteer in some ways - you are fixated on the mechanisms and are very keen to define things in a way that seems completely at odds with how things work

There is no 3rd country who has what you say you want - there is no EFTA member who is a member of the CU and to be honest there is still a lack of clarity how we move friom where we are now to becoming a member of the EEA never mind the rest. This before we have any concern for the political impllications of your proposed deal

For these reasons it is totally reasonable for an opposition party to make sure that they do things correctly

What wiould be the futture of our relationship with the EU if the HoC went full throttle for the EFTA/CU as you seem to want and then the electorate saw what it means practically with regards to sovereignty and say 'No'! The economic arguments being made now were the same as being made during the referendum campaign and the credibility lost then is causing us issues now

So stop calling people daft and fools and try to deal with the concerns some of us have with potential implications of what you suggest - you are exceptionally bad at predicting the response of the electorate so please do not be surprised when we treat your views with a modicum of contempt


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AK. But generally the Labour reactionaries like Barrry Gardiner who are opposing a policy that will have to be adopted eventually anyway


For the reasons I have explained above

You may not agree with it but it is a logical approach to take when you consider the UK voted Leave despite all the predictions of economic doom

And why is this 'reactionary'? - it could be considered' radical'


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Oh look - a Customs Agreement is back/put on the table...

David Davis claims it is 'perfectly clear' what UK wants from Brexit talks
David Davis and Michel Barnier are taking questions now.

Q: Do you know what you want?

Davis says the UK government has published a great deal about what it wants. It wants a comprehensive free trade agreement, and a customs agreement, allowing trade to be as frictionless as posssible. It is “perfectly clear” what the UK wants, he says.

Q: [To Barnier] Do you know what the UK wants yet?

Barnier says the EU will produce its guidelines for the trade talks in March. That gives the UK time to clarify what it wants.

And that is it.

I will post more from their brief press statement shortly.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/bl ... a#comments


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SpinningHugo wrote:
PorFavor wrote:
The Conservatives have at least succeeded in getting the press to regard "Brexit" as being all about the Conservative party - that is to say, it is largely being treated by the media as a parochial, and personality focussed matter rather than as a potential national disaster. A victory of sorts.




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Well, it is, in the absence of any coherent opposition. There isn't any. The opposition don't matter because they've not tried to form a coherent block backing the CU and SM. They haven't tried because that is not what the leadership wants.


Even if your first sentence were true, it's wildly off the point.


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https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politic ... 58201.html
"Jeremy Corbyn risks leading Labour to a general election disaster if he is perceived by young voters as pro-Brexit, according to new research"
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Labour’s vote share would plummet from today’s 42 per cent to just 30 per cent if the party is seen to side with Conservatives in going ahead with Brexit.
The Conservatives would win with a big 12-point lead, revealed the YouGov survey carried out for Our Future, Our Choice.
Labour would also lose support by going all-out anti-Brexit, too — but the damage would be far less severe than if it backed Leave.

Doesn't mean they have to commit now though.
edit: arguably, figures suggest keeping options open is still best approach, and seeing as Tories are claiming to rule out a customs union, doesn't this give Labour more appeal just be not ruling it out?


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Barnier says: “without the Customs Union and outside the single market, barriers to trade in goods and services are unavoidable. Time has come to make a choice”
... Barnier suggests that uk is choosing options that will necessitate tariff-none Tariff barriers

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/ ... 2564822017


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Hypothetical polls are even dodgier than usual, ignore.


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Theresa May accused by UK Statistics Authority of using misleading NHS figures about Labour Wales (Politics Live, Guardian)


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SpinningHugo wrote:
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Daft, unless you think some possible alternative solution is possible post 2021 (There isn't, unless you think it plausible the north of Ireland can leave the UK and reunite with the south. JC does of course.)


Get on the side of reality.

Can I just check who or what you are accusing of being daft?



AK. But generally the Labour reactionaries like Barrry Gardiner who are opposing a policy that will have to be adopted eventually anyway.

You are accusing AK of being "daft"?

Dear oh dear.


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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
You are accusing AK of being "daft"?

Dear oh dear.



Aren;t we all from time to time? To err is human.


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tinybgoat wrote:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/corbyn-risks-losing-young-voters-if-labour-backs-leaving-the-eu-a3758201.html
"Jeremy Corbyn risks leading Labour to a general election disaster if he is perceived by young voters as pro-Brexit, according to new research"
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Labour’s vote share would plummet from today’s 42 per cent to just 30 per cent if the party is seen to side with Conservatives in going ahead with Brexit.
The Conservatives would win with a big 12-point lead, revealed the YouGov survey carried out for Our Future, Our Choice.
Labour would also lose support by going all-out anti-Brexit, too — but the damage would be far less severe than if it backed Leave.

Doesn't mean they have to commit now though.
edit: arguably, figures suggest keeping options open is still best approach, and seeing as Tories are claiming to rule out a customs union, doesn't this give Labour more appeal just be not ruling it out?



I really don't see how. The electoral sweetspot is to be fractionally more Remain-y than the Tories because the electorate has no choice. See the 2017 election. (That doesn't hold in Scotland, but there the nationalist tide is on the ebb.)


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SpinningHugo wrote:
tinybgoat wrote:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/corbyn-risks-losing-young-voters-if-labour-backs-leaving-the-eu-a3758201.html
"Jeremy Corbyn risks leading Labour to a general election disaster if he is perceived by young voters as pro-Brexit, according to new research"
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Labour’s vote share would plummet from today’s 42 per cent to just 30 per cent if the party is seen to side with Conservatives in going ahead with Brexit.
The Conservatives would win with a big 12-point lead, revealed the YouGov survey carried out for Our Future, Our Choice.
Labour would also lose support by going all-out anti-Brexit, too — but the damage would be far less severe than if it backed Leave.

Doesn't mean they have to commit now though.
edit: arguably, figures suggest keeping options open is still best approach, and seeing as Tories are claiming to rule out a customs union, doesn't this give Labour more appeal just be not ruling it out?



I really don't see how. The electoral sweetspot is to be fractionally more Remain-y than the Tories because the electorate has no choice. See the 2017 election. (That doesn't hold in Scotland, but there the nationalist tide is on the ebb.)

Because, it's not about being more or less remain-y, it's still about appearing to offer the least damaging option, whilst being open to stopping Brexit if that's what people want, and the Tories don't seem able to do this.


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Nats were up to 39% in the last poll. I think Indy is probably holed below the water- there's no way Yes is getting away with the economic rubbish it did last time- but they could easily get some of those Labour seats back.


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So today. Len McCluskey attacks the Tories for ruling out the Customs Union, while Labour isn't arguing for it.

How is that a tenable position for either Labour or McCluskey?


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adam wrote:
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Ultimately is it having to rely on the DUP that's preventing the Tories having a potentially workable solution? if it were acceptable to have a customs border between the rest of the UK and N.Ireland, does anyone think the Government's plans (i.e. eu rules for goods destined for eu, separate trade deals for uk only) would be achievable? Also how would a similar scenario work with Labour, would they be happy on a customs border with N.Ireland?


Would Scotland, Wales, London... and so on, accept a situation where Northern Ireland had a better trading relationship with the rest of the EU than they did?


I think Northern Ireland is seen as a special case by most people. It would be reasonable for it to have less UK government funding if it had a better trading relationship, I think.


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tinybgoat wrote:
t it's still about appearing to offer the least damaging option, whilst being open to stopping Brexit if that's what people want, and the Tories don't seem able to do this.


But where are these voters supposed to vote instead. There is no Green or LibDem surge and won't be.

The numbers like me who are both proEU and know who the Campaign group are and so will vote elsewhere must be tiny.


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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
So today. Len McCluskey attacks the Tories for ruling out the Customs Union, while Labour isn't arguing for it.

How is that a tenable position for either Labour or McCluskey?


and when did Labour rule out being in a customs union with the EU?

How is saying that we will be in the EU CU a tenable position either?

I do start feeling some people who voted Remain are becoming as dogmatic as the Brexit brigade

It seems that these strident statements seem to disregard the difficulties

Committing to the institutions now is a hostage to fortune from my point of view. i do not know if I am right and I remain open to persuasion but when I asked the question the other day the first response was 'we can say told you so at some point in the future' and the other was that 'Labour would not take the risk of being pre-empted by the Tories'

The first one was I assume a joke (although was from Hugo so he is probably serious). The second one is a potential risk but the likelihood is slight and the benefits are minimal

The same people who say Labour should state their position now were saying the same thing 18 months ago and the earth hasn't fallen in yet.....

The assumption seems to be that this announcement is a no-brainer with no risk attached. i would argue differently.

I do not call things untenable, or people fools tr daft for thinking in the other way - as I say reminiscent of the Breixteers


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McCluskey criticized the government for "uncertainty".

How is Labour not providing that?


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McCluskey criticized the government for "uncertainty".

How is Labour not providing that?


because Labour aren't the bloody Government - if Labour declared now they were for unicorns and gold for all it makes sod all difference!

They have committed for the transition and have said a customs union with the same conditions as now for the post-transition period

What more do you want them to say? We will definitely join the EU Custom's Union after we leave - have we asked if we can yet or is it an assumption they will let us?


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McCluskey criticized the government for "uncertainty".

How is Labour not providing that?
I don't understand what you're finding untenable. Tories are piloting Brexit, not Labour. Did McCluskey demand Labour take over UK leadership now?


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Nats were up to 39% in the last poll. I think Indy is probably holed below the water- there's no way Yes is getting away with the economic rubbish it did last time- but they could easily get some of those Labour seats back.


MoE stuff, the trend is still against the Nats in the longer term. By a 2022 GE they will have been in power at Holyrood for *15* years.


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At the moment there should be priorities for the Government

First priority is to ensure a transition period on current terms, secondly finalise the details of the withdrawal agreement. This will tie us into the future state in all probability so will be interesting to watch

The final piece of the jigsaw is that final agreement on the future state - there has to be a clear roadmap of what we want to do in order to maintain our relationship. This is not so straightforward as some would believe

If we want to have the Norway+ option that is favourite amongst the FBPE lot then we have to arrange to rejoin EFTA and sign the EEA. How straightforward is this - I am not sure as Norway have got used to being the big fish in the EFTA pond - suddenly a big greedy self-absorbed piranha is going to join them?

I assume though we can rejoin EFTA and just agree the EEA though. Then the CU - what is the mechanism for that. A new type of agreement that has no precedent.Could be easy but could be difficult - does anybody know for sure?

How much will we have to pay for this access - same as now? I would guess not much difference

Then we have the political part - assuming we get the deal we want and we are paying the same and in the same institutions with all the the constraints and benefits, how do we sell that to an electorate who may actually be fairly pissed off that we are in a worse place than we were before. Will they blame themselves or will they blame the party who is the proponent of this? Will they then demand that we leave properly and tear up the agreements? Rise of UKIP2?

The more I think of it, Labour has this about right

They have set out clearly the transition until Dec 2020 and have set their red lines that focus on the outcome but do not define the institution or mechanisms to deliver it. In order to get that definition then they will need to be face to face with the EU...


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How can you criticize the government for providing business with uncertainty if your policy is uncertain too?

Unions should be very important in making the case for the Single Market and Customs Union to (perhaps understandably) reticent politicians. But union leaders who see themselves as an extension of aforesaid politicians, as McCluskey does, are exactly what we don't need.

Even more depressing is that McCluskey was way better than Gerald Coyne.


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Nats were up to 39% in the last poll. I think Indy is probably holed below the water- there's no way Yes is getting away with the economic rubbish it did last time- but they could easily get some of those Labour seats back.


MoE stuff, the trend is still against the Nats in the longer term. By a 2022 GE they will have been in power at Holyrood for *15* years.


MoE sure. But the campaign for Westminster writes itself at the moment. "Labour pandering to (mostly) English loons, and making Scotland poorer".


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How can you criticize the government for providing business with uncertainty if your policy is uncertain too?

Unions should be very important in making the case for the Single Market and Customs Union to (perhaps understandably) reticent politicians. But union leaders who see themselves as an extension of aforesaid politicians, as McCluskey does, are exactly what we don't need.

Even more depressing is that the rival to McCluskey was even worse.


The Tories cannot even string a coherent transition proposal together - in contrast to Labour. That is business's most acute demand

Then for the future state - that is for negotiation. Everyone seems to say a future trade deal will take years to work out but suddenly Labour has to produce a fully defined final state agreement for everyone to tear apart just to keep a lot of people who don't seem to support them happy! The two most vocal on here demanding Labour do something are people who spent a lot of last year telling us that they were not voting for them! There are always the lD, Greens and Plaid if you are not happy!

You seem to want Labour to commit to EEA/the EU CU now - unambiguous announcement that they will join these institutions - that seems to be the argument - am I right?

If it isn't I am not quite sure what you are asking them to do - and if you are I wonder how you would deal with the shitstorm that will fly their way?


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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
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Nats were up to 39% in the last poll. I think Indy is probably holed below the water- there's no way Yes is getting away with the economic rubbish it did last time- but they could easily get some of those Labour seats back.


MoE stuff, the trend is still against the Nats in the longer term. By a 2022 GE they will have been in power at Holyrood for *15* years.


MoE sure. But the campaign for Westminster writes itself at the moment. "Labour pandering to (mostly) English loons, and making Scotland poorer".


campaign for what election is this?

Has somebody called an election that requires Labour to campaign on their current position?

Disappointed that I missed that announcement


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https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... ander.html

Some good news.

The egregious Pennsylvania gerrymander is likely over. Unbelievable that this stuff has been allowed. Cases in Wisconsin and North Carolina too.


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East Coast could return to public sector, Chris Grayling admits

MPs told collapse of franchise means government or Virgin could run line in short term

The East Coast rail franchise could be returned to the public sector after the government announced Virgin Trains had breached its £3.3bn contract.

The transport secretary told MPs that the London-to-Edinburgh line could be again be directly operated by the Department for Transport, less than three years after the route was re-privatised. However, Chris Grayling also held out the possibility that Virgin would continue to operate the service on fresh terms, despite missing its financial commitments on the current deal.

He said: “It has now been confirmed that the situation is urgent … and the contract will only last in its current form for a small number number of months.” (Guardian)


Chris Grayling needs someone else to confirm when a situation is urgent? Just the chap, should an emergency arise (subject to confirmation).

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/feb/05/east-coast-could-return-to-public-sector-chris-grayling-admits


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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Nats were up to 39% in the last poll. I think Indy is probably holed below the water- there's no way Yes is getting away with the economic rubbish it did last time- but they could easily get some of those Labour seats back.


MoE stuff, the trend is still against the Nats in the longer term. By a 2022 GE they will have been in power at Holyrood for *15* years.


MoE sure. But the campaign for Westminster writes itself at the moment. "Labour pandering to (mostly) English loons, and making Scotland poorer".


Yes. Labour's "slightly more Remainy" strategy isn't going to play well in Scotland and I think that is going to get worse as we get to the business end of Brexit. Ambiguity can't last forever.


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Yes. Labour's "slightly more Remainy" strategy isn't going to play well in Scotland and I think that is going to get worse as we get to the business end of Brexit. Ambiguity can't last forever


Mystic Mogg and his shit predictions strike again!


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Yes. Labour's "slightly more Remainy" strategy isn't going to play well in Scotland and I think that is going to get worse as we get to the business end of Brexit. Ambiguity can't last forever


Mystic Mogg and his shit predictions strike again!

Mystic Mogg :lol: :lol: :lol:


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East Coast could return to public sector, Chris Grayling admits

MPs told collapse of franchise means government or Virgin could run line in short term

The East Coast rail franchise could be returned to the public sector after the government announced Virgin Trains had breached its £3.3bn contract.

The transport secretary told MPs that the London-to-Edinburgh line could be again be directly operated by the Department for Transport, less than three years after the route was re-privatised. However, Chris Grayling also held out the possibility that Virgin would continue to operate the service on fresh terms, despite missing its financial commitments on the current deal.

He said: “It has now been confirmed that the situation is urgent … and the contract will only last in its current form for a small number number of months.” (Guardian)


Chris Grayling needs someone else to confirm when a situation is urgent? Just the chap, should an emergency arise (subject to confirmation).

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/feb/05/east-coast-could-return-to-public-sector-chris-grayling-admits
He's just a customer


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This is amusing in its own way. Though I dont think many people pretended the Haringey Development Vehicle was going to fix homelessness.

- What's the policy on X?
- A Labour Government. (See also a "real Labour government", a "proper Labour Government" etc.

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Wall Street has suffered its worst day in six years
Dow tumbles 1,100 points in biggest one-day fall since 2011 - business live

https://www.theguardian.com/business/li ... iness-live


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LAA didn’t receive enough ‘compliant tenders’ to Education and Discrimination contract bids, so has cancelled it. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/civi ... rocurement
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This is how legal aid ends. They simply make it impossible for people to do it viably. So, not enough bids. Utter disgrace.

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Large parts of the country now have no or one housing legal aid provider. Housing bid round underway now. Somehow doubt the numbers will have increased... slow death when the figures just can’t add up any more.

https://twitter.com/nearlylegal/status/ ... 7702504448

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