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As well as successfully concluding brexit, May is going to defeat socialism.
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A good summary of three possible reasons why the govt won't commit to a particular brexit end state.
The fact that we don't even know which of the three is right adds a further layer of impenetrability.

http://blogs.surrey.ac.uk/politics/2018 ... it-is-yet/
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Without knowing where the UK might be trying to head, it’s very hard to plan, whether you’re a business, a citizen or a Commission negotiator: no headline goal means no way of building the more detailed things underneath that. My thoughts on this are long-standing and don’t bear repeating here, other than to recall that the UK’s current position is a set of mutually-inconsistent headlines (in the tabloid sense).

But as we move into Phase 2, where very precisely the future destination of this process is under discussion, it might seem logical that now is the moment to bite the bullet.

However, three big objections stand in the way.

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The biggest privatisation you’ve never heard of: land
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Jonathan Portes and a few others rightly not letting Nick Timothy off with his "I didn't write the box" shit.

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Morning all. last chemo session today for 'er indoors...and as she hasn't returned the blood tests must have been OK for it to proceed.

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gilsey wrote:
A good summary of three possible reasons why the govt won't commit to a particular brexit end state.
The fact that we don't even know which of the three is right adds a further layer of impenetrability.

http://blogs.surrey.ac.uk/politics/2018 ... it-is-yet/
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Without knowing where the UK might be trying to head, it’s very hard to plan, whether you’re a business, a citizen or a Commission negotiator: no headline goal means no way of building the more detailed things underneath that. My thoughts on this are long-standing and don’t bear repeating here, other than to recall that the UK’s current position is a set of mutually-inconsistent headlines (in the tabloid sense).

But as we move into Phase 2, where very precisely the future destination of this process is under discussion, it might seem logical that now is the moment to bite the bullet.

However, three big objections stand in the way.


morning

and that 'full monty' version is I assume the policy Labour are following as it seems to match their current tactics - although I think they would go further than the Tories to committing to a close future state

I am left wondering on what could be the next catalyst for some shift. The transition agreement has still to be agreed and so anything other than the 'status quo' is going to cause a lot of trouble with the EU - their position seems to be clear and unalterable

The other is the legal framework around the Phase 1 agreement. If that document gets given legal status then the Ireland question becomes a clear indication of the direction of the future state. In order to deliver that (which would then be a legal) agreement then it requires a CU and probably EEA agreement to fulfill it. This does give an opportunity to Labour as they could rightly say that a stronger committment than given up to now has to be given in order to meet the legal obligations signed up to by the Tories

The EU are pushing for this to be signed by March and I cannot believe the Government will be in a position to clarify how they deal with the implications

We keep being told there is no difference between the Tories and Labour on this. I think we have covered wehy this is not the case from a policy point of view - but the parties themselves are in a totally different place. If Labour wanted to declare a stronger committment to the relationship with the EU then it would not split the party, especially as they would still want to retain a certain amount of flexibility


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Alan Beattie has properly got Dan Hodges.

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Not entirely sure what all the criticism of @NickJTimothy is this morning. I've read his piece. Seems like good, solid journalism.


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This is in the main piece: "More recently he has been accused of organising rallies against Donald Trump in the US and interfering in the democracies of several European nations." Accused by whom of the latter? Autocrats and anti-Semites. No context given.


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Yes, it is.


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You’ve gone v quiet on this for someone whose main defence is demonstrably wrong.


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Hodges has now said it's ok because he knowsNick Timothy isn't an anti-Semite.


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Hodges is such a complete charlatan, hopefully this little episode will open a few more people's eyes to that fact.


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Alan Beattie has properly got Dan Hodges.


He's not the only one.

https://twitter.com/robfordmancs/status ... 2322172929

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The people still making excuses for both him and Nick Timothy, though. Utterly indefensible.


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Absolutely.

Robert Halfon produced "he supports Israel" as a defence. So do the people doing this anti-Semitic shit v Soros.


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gilsey wrote:
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Alan Beattie has properly got Dan Hodges.


He's not the only one.

https://twitter.com/robfordmancs/status ... 2322172929


I saw that. Very good by Ford.

I've always associated him with that Goodwin bloke. Ford is much better.


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Nick Timothy has disgraced himself, and Hodges has shown very poor judgement.

This concern with anti-semitism looks a little selective to me however.


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Not really, the Labour party now has a very robust policy on AS which most of us strongly support.

That does not stop us pointing out when the issue is being cynically weaponised by our opponents, or indeed (often as part of that) when false AS accusations are made.


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The Sivier decision sounded pretty bad- is it the job of Jews to explain KEN SPOKE FACT to him?

But agree generally. You wouldn't have somebody close to Corbyn being associated with this filth.


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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Not really, the Labour party now has a very robust policy on AS which most of us strongly support.

That does not stop us pointing out when the issue is being cynically weaponised by our opponents, or indeed (often as part of that) when false AS accusations are made.



I'd much prefer it if there were a unifirm ability to condemn this kind of thing, rather than just when one of the left's objects of hatred says something stupid. See also Toby Young and Jared O'Mara. It isn't good enough to jump up and down when one of the other side does a Bad Thing, only to make excuses when it is someone on your 'team.'

As for Labour. rules are the easy bit (ask a lawyer). An embedded culture and a willingness to enforce the rules robustly to combat it quite another.


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This is absolutely outstanding on Soros and the Telegraph.

https://twitter.com/robfordmancs/status ... 5282633728


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George Soros has given a pro EU group £400k - or to put that in context £225,000 less than the £625,000 Vote Leave gave to obscure fashion design student @darrengrimes_ days before the EU referendum


Yes, 400k is pretty small beer really - hardly worth a splash on the front page.

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https://twitter.com/chislehurst/status/ ... 1046619136

This is full on :lol!:


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George Soros has given a pro EU group £400k - or to put that in context £225,000 less than the £625,000 Vote Leave gave to obscure fashion design student @darrengrimes_ days before the EU referendum


Yes, 400k is pretty small beer really - hardly worth a splash on the front page.

And nothing compared to the might of Maxwell and Rothermere .


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https://twitter.com/chislehurst/status/961616351046619136

This is full on :lol!:

Can't read it :-(


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BBC tweeting the Morning Star - whatever next???

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Friday's Morning Star: "What will it take to keep the guards?" (via @AllieHBNews) #bbcpapers #tomorrowspaperstoday

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https://twitter.com/chislehurst/status/961616351046619136

This is full on :lol!:

Can't read it :-(



Is this any better ?
It's only about Yorkshire Tea (why isn't it grown in Yorkshire) but I just found it funny

https://twitter.com/chislehurst/status/ ... 1046619136


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AngryAsWell wrote:
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https://twitter.com/chislehurst/status/961616351046619136

This is full on :lol!:

Can't read it :-(



Is this any better ?
It's only about Yorkshire Tea (why isn't it grown in Yorkshire) but I just found it funny

https://twitter.com/chislehurst/status/ ... 1046619136

His Tweets are protected but I think I have read the Yorkshire Tea thing before - very funny thanks for reminding me ;-)


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Jason Sterling #FBPE #ABTV
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Is Corbyn’s Labour Party ready to fight to stay in the Customs Union? The Daily Telegraph thinks so and they don’t like it. #FBPE

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NEW: Boost for Theresa May as Tories take four point poll lead over Labour

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You can kinda see why the usual suspects spend their time jeering at Labour's Brexit position...their own party is so incompetent that this is where they are after 20 or so months.

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NEW: Boost for Theresa May as Tories take four point poll lead over Labour

https://twitter.com/politicshome/status ... 7670591488


some very dodgy numbers in this if you look in the detail

Polls are useless anyway...they are only tested once every 5 years or so and have been usually well out so I don't know why they bother


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Terry Christian has been quite entertaining taking on the Brexit loons on Question Time tonight, rarely do you see someone calling them liars but he took on a largely hostile audience in Doncaster (which voted for an English Democrat Mayor let's not forget) and went for them. It was a joy to behold.

What's tragic is it takes an ex TV presenter to have the balls to stand up for half of this country while the Labour Party vacillates resulting in Emily Thornberry on the panel being able to offer nothing more than vacuous waffle.

This country is about to crash out of a vastly beneficial political union and the only one who seemed to care on the BBC's flagship political programme is the guy who used to present The Word.


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