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"The U.K. Is Down Since Brexit. Guess Who's Up."
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Now that Europe is leading the developed world in growth, productivity and job creation after the euro gained 14.2 percent last year — the most among 16 major currencies and the strongest appreciation since 2003 — Greece is the biggest beneficiary and Britain is the new sick man of Europe.


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Northern Ireland will stay in single market after Brexit, EU says
UK negotiators braced for major row over EU’s draft withdrawal agreement

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Northern Ireland will stay in single market after Brexit, EU says
UK negotiators braced for major row over EU’s draft withdrawal agreement


Good morning

That is going to lead to some interesting discussion around the cabinet table....

This is going to get messy


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Willow904 wrote:
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Northern Ireland will stay in single market after Brexit, EU says
UK negotiators braced for major row over EU’s draft withdrawal agreement

Two cabinet meetings with no progress and now they're off to Chequers, one would guess/hope this is why.

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Just saw this on a twitter thread, chap may have a point.
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This being why HMG (and Labour) assiduously avoid making real decisions of any kind. The moment reality enters the debate, the total incoherence of the project is exposed and the two parties...and possibly the Union itself...fall apart.

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It may be, in the longer historical view, that the UK has always needed external glue to stay together. Being in the EU... and whining continually about it... was actually that social and economic glue, just as the Empire once was.


Don't think he needs to bring Labour into it mind.

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Here we go.
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If NI stays in single market, the case for Scotland also doing so is not just an academic ‘us too’ argument - it becomes a practical necessity. Otherwise we will be at a massive relative disadvantage when it comes to attracting jobs and investment.

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https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... erformance


NHS hospitals in England record worst ever A&E performance


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https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/feb/08/nhs-hospitals-england-worst-a-and-e-performance


NHS hospitals in England record worst ever A&E performance

But Hunt say staff knew what they were signing up for :roll:


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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-42908908


Care sector: 'Short of nurses and other key staff'


https://www.nao.org.uk/report/the-adult ... n-england/


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2 and a half hour delay on return flight from Goa.Now over the Black Sea.


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2 and a half hour delay on return flight from Goa.Now over the Black Sea.
The wayfarers return...


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They will.have a shock,i've lost over a stone and (re)sporting glasses.


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Remarried,moved house ,grown a beard,all in two weeks.


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Possibly some exaggeration


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Changed my name to Deed Poll.


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Look how close this one was!

Tophill East (Weymouth & Portland) result:

CON: 47.0% (+16.8)
LAB: 46.0% (+23.1)
GRN: 7.0% (-5.6)

Conservtive GAIN from Independent (-34.3).

Eight vote majority.


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Grown six inches.
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HindleA wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-42908908


Care sector: 'Short of nurses and other key staff'


https://www.nao.org.uk/report/the-adult ... n-england/

BBC1 news reported that straight after a vox pop of people complaining about council tax rises. :roll:

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Japanese ambassador's comments cd be a turning point. Even calm, inscrutable, ultra polite Japanese are furious with UK, can't believe Britain cd possibly want to destroy it's car sector. They mean it. End of Nissa, Toyota, Honda production here if leave CU/SM

https://twitter.com/rosaltmann/status/9 ... 4346969091


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Barnier Says EU Waiting for U.K. to Make Choices: Brexit Update

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... xit-update


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Barnier: “it is important to tell the truth, a UK decision to leave the single market and customs union would make border checks inevitable”

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BArnier: when I met DD, UK insisted on transition agreement by March, however then disagreed with matters that I regard as “substantial”



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**Barnier to the Government: “To be quite frank, if these disagreements persist, the transition is not a given”

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Though an atrocious way of doing it IMHO,particular with the default imposition introduced by the Coalition,with an increase for most in charging for social care,a doubly whammy for not an insubstantial number.Unless the whole basis of debate changes to a fundamental independent living issue any discussion will remain missing the point and diversionary.


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Brexit latest: 'Everybody knew what they were voting for because Cameron & Osborne explained it to them during the campaign', say people who spent the entire campaign insisting that Cameron & Osborne were lying through their teeth.

https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/961899186475208704


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Possibly some exaggeration

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A and E wait no problem for lesser beings,of course.Probably got bored watching the telly and fancied a day out.


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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
Look how close this one was!

Tophill East (Weymouth & Portland) result:

CON: 47.0% (+16.8)
LAB: 46.0% (+23.1)
GRN: 7.0% (-5.6)

Conservtive GAIN from Independent (-34.3).

Eight vote majority.


Labour did worse in the W/P contest that they were actually widely expected to win :wall:


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Though an atrocious way of doing it IMHO,particular with the default imposition introduced by the Coalition,with an increase for most in charging for social care,a doubly whammy for not an insubstantial number.Unless the whole basis of debate changes to a fundamental independent living issue any discussion will remain missing the point and diversionary.
That conversation will happen with a Labour government


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gilsey wrote:
HindleA wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-42908908


Care sector: 'Short of nurses and other key staff'


https://www.nao.org.uk/report/the-adult ... n-england/

BBC1 news reported that straight after a vox pop of people complaining about council tax rises. :roll:


And that's a major reason why the Tories are holding up in the polls, too many people still haven't learned to "join the dots".


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Just passed Bucharest


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Cja,talking with Bex Bailey who was involved,saying not fully getting it.I am afraid.


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Half spend,third receivers are not elderly.


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The Citizens’ Assembly on Brexit
http://ukandeu.ac.uk/the-citizens-assembly-on-brexit/

The trade stuff is 'cake and eat it' but the immigration conclusion is reassuring.
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an absolute majority of members chose an option under which the UK government would maintain free movement for EU nationals, but would make full use of controls that are available within the single market to limit migration by those who cannot sustain themselves financially.

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Multi purposed.


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As a nation, we need to get out more.

(And I don't mean out of, I mean out to)

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Changed my name to Deed Poll.

Sounds like a new Lee Child character

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Crown Court circa '75."I heard you could change your name to Deed Poll,so I did"
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Bought an island,played in the Superbowl,become Pope...


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Bratislava.


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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
gilsey wrote:
HindleA wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-42908908
Care sector: 'Short of nurses and other key staff'

https://www.nao.org.uk/report/the-adult ... n-england/
BBC1 news reported that straight after a vox pop of people complaining about council tax rises. :roll:
And that's a major reason why the Tories are holding up in the polls, too many people still haven't learned to "join the dots".
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"The Department has no national strategy to address this workforce challenge and key commitments it has made to help make the sector more attractive, through enhanced training and career development, have not been followed through.

Furthermore, the NAO has not found any evidence that the Department is overseeing workforce planning by local authorities and local health and care partnerships, which commission care, to help with the challenge. Without a national strategy to align to, few local areas have detailed plans for sustaining the care workforce.

The NAO has recommended that the Department produces a robust national workforce strategy with the support of the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government and that it encourages local and regional bodies to align their own plans to it. The Department also needs to invest more to enable commissioners to set appropriate fees for providers, so they can pay staff adequately and afford to offer career development and training opportunities."

- Amyas Morse
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https://www.nao.org.uk/report/the-adult ... n-england/
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Who is 'The Department'?
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Secretary of State for Health and Social Care
Responsibilities
The Secretary of State is responsible for the work of the Department of Health and Social Care, including:
- overall financial control and oversight of NHS delivery and performance
- oversight of social care policy

Current role holder: The Rt Hon Jeremy Hunt MP
Jeremy Hunt was appointed Secretary of State for Health and Social Care on 8 January 2018.
He was appointed Secretary of State for Health in September 2012.
He was elected Conservative MP for South West Surrey in May 2005.

https://www.gov.uk/government/ministers ... ocial-care
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'Maybe people won't notice I've been part of current Tory government from May 2010...',
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Specifically for in own home there needs to more use,and it is a legal requirement you are informed you do not have accept a given "provider"but directly employ,control and choice.


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Please read the National Audit Office's (NAO) write up on the page below, it's article length and it's scathing.
It's a big deal, this. It's about Tory neglect of health and social care, Tory privatisations, piracy, Tory decimation of local authority (LA) budgets and the future Tory government wish upon most people - paid a pittance for some of the hardest work anyone can do.

https://www.nao.org.uk/report/the-adult ... n-england/


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Specifically for in own home there needs to more use,and it is a legal requirement you are informed you do not have accept a given "provider"but directly employ,control and choice.
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Forgive my ignorance. Is this still true?


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Coalition reminder,their part was essential.


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Direct Payment/Personal Budget should be clearly outlined as an option.Of course you can still use an agency or directly employ.We did the latter.This has been the case for years,does my head in hardly ever mentioned,if at all.


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Good morfternoon.

I've just come across this post over at the Guardian. I'd been wondering when this would be floated as a solution!

Has anyone here heard the LBC thing referred to?

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dv420uk

Comical LBC right now. Brexiteers proposing Ireland should leave the EU as well in order to solve the border issue. (Politics Live, Guardian)


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perhaps we could have another referendum
include Ireland and the Brits living in the EU
and 16-year olds

and then see what happens

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Depends on NHS/LA funding caveat,ie we suspended when replaced with Continuing Care(dying at home)which was an agency.


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