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HindleA wrote:No

Foiled again.

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(Close enough)

Close enough for rook and roil?

@Willow904
on the water renationalisation or government buy-out
I was thinking out loud
writing it down, my thoughts
I hope I didn't cause consternation

I'm probably a communist
I like happiness, peace and prosperity shared with everyone
This capitalism thing is dysfunctional

I like nice things
I don't need to own them all

http://www.cpag.org.uk/content/obr-scep ... sal-credit" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


OBR sceptical about DWP's claims about UC.

HindleA wrote:http://www.cpag.org.uk/content/obr-scep ... sal-credit


OBR sceptical about DWP's claims about UC.

They reproduce with implicit hilarity the onerous job description for the 13,000 work coaches being recruited for UC at £24,000 to £26,000 per year, commenting these “stretching roles are modestly remunerated”.

Compare with physiotherapists et al carrying out WCA's for not much less than £50k ...

nn

Goodnight, everyone
love,
cJA

Have been to bed and have just got up again (briefly).

Tuned in to Sky TV news Press Preview of tomorrow's papers -

Times - More on the Oxfam\charities story (seems to be a pretty murky story, at that)

Telegraph - UK could walk out of EU talks owing to the "increased aggression" on the part of Michel Barnier

Guardian - Labour\Water Privatisation

Sun - Jon Venables

Express - Theresa May setting out a roadmap (AA guide to Maidenhead?) for wonderful things

Night night.

https://amp.theguardian.com/money/2018/ ... erest-loan" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Anger as thousands unaware they face a ‘second mortgage’
Calls for the delay of a new loan set to replace a state-backed benefit in just 10 weeks’ time

Very similar skewed presentation as per social care and intrinsically linked.Already time limited for JSA,setting up of needless divisions,diversions up blind alleys,neglectful of progressive societal/health care provision which leads to a third of average HB an adapted home,otherwise hospital based treatments ie.vast cost saving activity not least to the NHS presented as unsustainable.The removal of the ability to also work,a fuckwittery binaryfication,before you get to continued residualisation of basic State reciprocity.The unsustainabilty is the continued lack of investment subject to circumstance which it is and subsequent exponential costs.IMHO.

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John McDonnell claims that Labour’s plans for renationalisation would cost “absolutely nothing”.

The independent @CPSThinkTank found it would actually require at least £176 billion more borrowing.

Tories are knobheads according to the self funding HindleA independent think tank.

RogerOThornhill wrote:

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John McDonnell claims that Labour’s plans for renationalisation would cost “absolutely nothing”.

The independent @CPSThinkTank found it would actually require at least £176 billion more borrowing.

Quite:

THE NEWS @stanmooon

Oh, the think tank founded by Thatcher and run by Saatchi and Saatchi - independent... riiiight! Tories have spent 900billion in seven years on fuck all...

refitman wrote:

RogerOThornhill wrote:

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John McDonnell claims that Labour’s plans for renationalisation would cost “absolutely nothing”.

The independent @CPSThinkTank found it would actually require at least £176 billion more borrowing.

Quite:

THE NEWS @stanmooon

Oh, the think tank founded by Thatcher and run by Saatchi and Saatchi - independent... riiiight! Tories have spent 900billion in seven years on fuck all...

I'm sure they've doubled their figure since Friday when John McD was unsuccessfully hectored by Nick Robinson !

The Today programme page no longer gives a running order where you can check back on who was on at what time.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 03291.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Brexit: New poll shows Britons don't understand what Theresa May wants from withdrawal

And yet clearly we all know what we voted for.

Good morfternoon.

Yo

Good morfternoon.

If I hear one more person say that they are sure that there's a solution to the Irish border problem (without suggesting what that solution might be) . . .

(Theresa Villiers, this time - and you'd think she ought to be in a position to offer a theory\solution, if there is one.)

Oh - apologies. I gave you a bum steer on the Guardian's headline (from last night's Press Preview post). For "Guardian", please read "Observer". Sundays are very confusing, newspaper-wise!

Although it would appear to be the Guardian's lead story . . .

Two "good morfternoons"? I'm spoiling you . . .

PorFavor wrote:Although it would appear to be the Guardian's lead story . . .

Observer, shurely?

AnatolyKasparov wrote:

PorFavor wrote:Although it would appear to be the Guardian's lead story . . .

Observer, shurely?

Probably. I give up trying to disentangle the difference. Even when I quote from what I think is the Observer, the url thingy says it's from the Guardian.

Satire only makes Jacob Rees-Mogg stronger
Stewart Lee

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... dApp_Tweet" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(Hope this is not what you are talking about PF - not checked - sorry if it is )

AngryAsWell wrote:Satire only makes Jacob Rees-Mogg stronger
Stewart Lee

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... dApp_Tweet" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(Hope this is not what you are talking about PF - not checked - sorry if it is )

The Guardian\Observer thing? (Seems to be from the Guardian.) Or the promoting of Jacob Rees Mogg? It seems, to me, to be about 50\50 on the latter.



Edited - typo

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You had me at “uplevelling.”
(Via @MichaelRosenYes.)

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One for PF and all the teachers on here ......

Edit to add a stray "e" back to its allotted place.

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Phil Purnell Retweeted Marcus Fysh MP
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the analytical power of a Member of the House of Commons International Trade Select Committee debating the economics of international trade post #Brexit.

The light at the end of the tunnel has now been confirmed as an oncoming train.

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Ya da ya da gravity ya da ya da meaningless graphs, supposition and cod economics ya da ya da ya

PorFavor wrote:Two "good morfternoons"? I'm spoiling you . . .

already

Andy Burnham going on about taking back powers from Brussels and "taking back control" (in the context of Northern Powerhouse stuff). (BBC, Sunday Politics).

knob

The Mystery Of Jacob Rees-Mogg's Recklessness
Frances Coppola


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AngryAsWell wrote:The Mystery Of Jacob Rees-Mogg's Recklessness
Frances Coppola


https://www.forbes.com/sites/francescop ... 3f06348ca5" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It won't let me read it, I'm afraid.

PorFavor wrote:

AngryAsWell wrote:The Mystery Of Jacob Rees-Mogg's Recklessness
Frances Coppola


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It won't let me read it, I'm afraid.

Strange, I was able to access it.

It's just about London Economics argument that Rees-Mogg would benefit from hard Brexit because of his investment company that specialises in emerging markets. It shows how this is a bit of a simplistic argument, with no guarantees that hard Brexit would lead to any more trade with emerging markets, as even with new barriers the EU would still be easier to trade with. I suspect this is probably true, that hard Brexit is more of a general ideological outlook for Rees-Mogg than a specific money making scheme. As opposed to the hedge fund bosses who funded the leave campaign who are much more likely to be thinking purely of their own short term profit potential. Rees-Mogg is more of an instinctive deregulate everything, throw out all the health and safety and environmental protections so I can make more money, don't give a toss about other people, kind of git. Unfortunately, whether with boundary changes or not, he looks pretty safe for the forseeable future.

@Willow904

Thank you!

Dear Mr Burnham,

A cracking example of us taking control from Brussels - to Beijing.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ncertainty" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
British farmer moves fruit-growing to China over Brexit uncertainty

Wonder what Britland will be like once all the non-xenophobes have got fed up and gone elsehwere.

edited to mean what I meant

Back to full on serfdom.

Saw The Post last night.
V timely (as I guess was the intention)

Meanwhile

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Post-Brexit border would present 'clear and present danger' to peace process, says Senator

Google are (possibly) evil, but today's banner video is quite cute

AngryAsWell wrote:Phil Purnell‏
@PhilPurnell

Phil Purnell Retweeted Marcus Fysh MP
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the analytical power of a Member of the House of Commons International Trade Select Committee debating the economics of international trade post #Brexit.

The light at the end of the tunnel has now been confirmed as an oncoming train.

" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Ya da ya da gravity ya da ya da meaningless graphs, supposition and cod economics ya da ya da ya

I see your Marcus Fysh and raise you Paul Scully.


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And people elected this person. Might as well get a wooden chair, paint a happy face on it, and vote for that.

PorFavor wrote:Two "good morfternoons"? I'm spoiling you . . .

hey y'all

"Theresa May is facing a growing revolt among party donors...

With mounting accusations across the party that May is dithering over Brexit and lacking an inspiring domestic agenda...the former owner of Newcastle United, told the Observer that the prime minister was facing a make-or-break period of her premiership. The north-east businessman, who has given the Conservatives more than £500,000 since 2007 and helped fund May’s snap election, said the prime minister needed to make clear where she wanted to take the country, even if doing so led to her removal."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -john-hall" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A Tory donor is displeased
Not a specific business and Brexit concern; that'd be completely legitimate
Someone giving the Tories money and telling UK government what to do

tinyclanger2 wrote:Back to full on serfdom.

If a thing's worth doing, it's worth doing well. And we'll have the brightest and best of serfs. Don't it make you feel proud?

McDonnell is talking rubbish about nationalization costing "absolutely nothing" because you've got an asset. It's deficit neutral, but that isn't the same thing at all.

He's also mentioned structuring public services so that it's extremely hard to outsource again. This is going to lead to huge sums of money being wasted.

Get some experts in. I haven't seen any since the fiscal council.

PorFavor wrote:

tinyclanger2 wrote:Back to full on serfdom.

If a thing's worth doing, it's worth doing well. And we'll have the brightest and best of serfs. Don't it make you feel proud?

And after that bombshell from JRM, back to the studio.......

Tubby Isaacs wrote:McDonnell is talking rubbish about nationalization costing "absolutely nothing" because you've got an asset. It's deficit neutral, but that isn't the same thing at all.

He's also mentioned structuring public services so that it's extremely hard to outsource again. This is going to lead to huge sums of money being wasted.

Get some experts in. I haven't seen any since the fiscal council.

not as much rubbish as the privatisation and outsourcing improving efficiency, being greta for consumers and various other unicorns

One thing that politics has taught me recently is that electorates have the attention span of a gnat so any attempts to try to explain complexity will lose against simplistic arguments that are focused on appealing to the emotional side

Those that immediately shout at this are also the same that say that we didn't give away free money to the banks as is sometimes portrayed

In the end though we have to do something to try and backtrack on the rape of the public services since 1979 and the transfer of swathes of public money into the pockets of the wealthy who have then used that to drive up assets prices

If only people spent more time looking into the detail of actual examples privatisation and outsourcing in as much detail as they do in putative Labour policies for a future election