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The Work and Pensions Committee publishes a report on British Steel Pension Schemes (BSPS). The Committee says, another major misselling scandal is already erupting on defined benefit pension transfers, and calls on the responsible authorities to take urgent action


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"The Work and Pensions Committee publishes report which says public contract failures have led to a loss of trust that risks undermining the operation of major disability benefits"


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"Consider bringing in house".Well of course,if any area where it was highly inappropriate,this is it.


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Can't believe what they get for "paper only"same percentage before they spewed 675 m(Estimate,I think higher) on "reform"


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Today's front page of the Sun:

Is that actually the "best" they have got??


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Today's front page of the Sun:

Is that actually the "best" they have got??


Well, Boris Johnson and Theresa May both bombed - so yes, I expect it is.


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Seems right to me

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/u ... oliticians


Though far too generous to Gove and McDonnell. Opt out, vote elsewhere.


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An act of gross irresponsibility of course,unless of course you have an agenda.


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Helen Lewis. Hahahahahahaha.


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Seems right to me

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/u ... oliticians


Though far too generous to Gove and McDonnell. Opt out, vote elsewhere.

It's quite amazing that Helen Lewis just knows what Jeremy Corbyn thinks.

She provides some decent support for the rest of her assertions, but on Corbyn she's just making it up in the usual way.


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The quote is
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Corbyn himself talks relentlessly about a “jobs-first Brexit” to disguise the fact he’s fine with pretty much any kind of Brexit.

Is it really unreasonable to assume that Corbyn actually wants to put jobs first?


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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:
Seems right to me

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/u ... oliticians


Though far too generous to Gove and McDonnell. Opt out, vote elsewhere.

It's quite amazing that Helen Lewis just knows what Jeremy Corbyn thinks.

She provides some decent support for the rest of her assertions, but on Corbyn she's just making it up in the usual way.


Oh Paul.

So she's right about all the politicians you dislike, just not the one you like.

Corbyn is appalling.


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Helen Lewis. Hahahahahahaha.



Good argument well made.


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SpinningHugo wrote:
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Seems right to me

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/u ... oliticians


Though far too generous to Gove and McDonnell. Opt out, vote elsewhere.

It's quite amazing that Helen Lewis just knows what Jeremy Corbyn thinks.

She provides some decent support for the rest of her assertions, but on Corbyn she's just making it up in the usual way.


Oh Paul.

So she's right about all the politicians you dislike, just not the one you like.

Corbyn is appalling.

Yes I know you and Helen Lewis suffer the same inability to back up assertions with any shred of explanation or evidence. I didn't really need you to demonstrate it again ;-)


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Helen Lewis. Hahahahahahaha.



Good argument well made.


Compare and contrast
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Corbyn is appaling


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Moving on, but sticking with journalistic standards, this is quite amusing

https://twitter.com/bbcnickrobinson/sta ... 7501235200


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Helen Lewis. Hahahahahahaha.



Good argument well made.


Its about what she deserves.

One of the most vapid milquetoast centrists out there, her response to Trump's victory (she would be getting out her West Wing box set) really said it all.

Oh, there is of course at least one exception to this - she is a pretty vicious TERF.


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Helen Lewis. Hahahahahahaha.



Good argument well made.


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Corbyn is appaling



You feel I've not done enough to explain why he is dreadful?

I must redouble my efforts.


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George Eaton

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Customs Union withdrawal is a solution in search of a problem. Indeed, worse, it will merely multiply the epic challenges that Britain already faces.


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Meanwhile, sensible centrist hero Macron has announced he wants to restore compulsory military service.

Further comment is superfluous.


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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Meanwhile, sensible centrist hero Macron has announced he wants to restore compulsory military service.

Further comment is superfluous.

This is excellent news. Gives us half a chance of retaining some French people in the UK :twisted:


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Seems to have been an election promise. Completely unnecessary.

I don't think the conscription period is going to be very long, seeing he's lined the military up for cuts. Edit- he seems to have scrapped the military cuts.


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I like compulsory national service everyone has to do


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I don't like that military thing, it's failure. War is failure.


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I like compulsory national service everyone has to do



I don't. I think it is slavery by another name.


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I like compulsory national service everyone has to do



I don't. I think it is slavery by another name.


I think I agree - actually a non-military form *can* sound attractive on paper, but the devil is in the detail. In practice it will always be problematic, I suspect.


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German firm to design successor to Land Rover Defender
Ineos chairman hands contract to MBtech to create and produce prototypes of ‘world-class 4x4’

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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
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I like compulsory national service everyone has to do



I don't. I think it is slavery by another name.


I think I agree - actually a non-military form *can* sound attractive on paper, but the devil is in the detail. In practice it will always be problematic, I suspect.



Compelling people to work, even if it is "improving" or "for their own benefit" is slavery.


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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
George Eaton

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Customs Union withdrawal is a solution in search of a problem. Indeed, worse, it will merely multiply the epic challenges that Britain already faces.

A bit more on trade , the 'British working man' and the economy from kwarteng Patel et al

/Britannia-Unchained-Global-Lessons-Prosperity/
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Britannia-Unch ... 1137032235

The one-star comments are rather fun :-)


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If we're all compelled to work to earn the money necessary to pay for the basic necessities of life, does that make us all slaves to capitalism?

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We rely upon each other, our society, community. We forget this.


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Did anyone else see the idea that students would be compelled to work in the fields to harvest crops to replace the seasonal workers from the EU?!


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If we're all compelled to work to earn the money necessary to pay for the basic necessities of life, does that make us all slaves to capitalism?
Pretty much. Working for a living, working for currency paying taxes, shelter and food is often not fulfilling. Worse, it's dangerous, taking years off our lives, causing disability.


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We rely upon each other, our society, community. We forget this.

Certainly it's a problem with pure liberalism isn't it?

Can we truly sustain effective communities if everyone's right to be completely free is paramount?


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Did anyone else see the idea that students would be compelled to work in the fields to harvest crops to replace the seasonal workers from the EU?!
When? With what time? Students have at least one full time job as it is - study.


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Ursula LeGuin's, The Dispossessed, has been a good friend of mine for many years.


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The lack of detail and uncertainty for EEA nationals with just months to go before the process to confirm their status is supposed to start and only a year to go before Brexit is not only difficult and stressful for those affected, it also raises serious questions about [UK Visas and Immigration] UKVI’s level of preparedness and ability to deliver a new system. If key questions are not swiftly resolved and delivery plans drawn up, we do not believe that UKVI will be capable of delivering significant changes to the system either at the border or on registration by March 2019.

It is deeply regrettable that the Home Office does not now intend to publish the promised White Paper on Immigration until autumn of this year. This means continued anxiety for individuals and heightens the prospect of UKVI having insufficient time to plan properly to deliver its services. Much greater clarity is needed now on a series of issues which are causing uncertainty for EEA citizens, employers and UKVI staff.

Home Office delivery of Brexit: immigration
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The Home Office’s roll out of a simple phone app to register EU citizens in the UK, replacing the 85-page application pack, has been delayed because of the prime minister’s warning that they will have no automatic right to remain if they come to the UK after 29 March 2019. (Politics Live, Guardian)


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Government "simple" 'phone app?


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Labour caling for assistance in today's local election in neighbouring village."Getting surrounded,send reinforcements".At current rate of encroachment,I will be left with my back garden as an oasis of non Toryism.


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Labour caling for assistance in today's local election in neighbouring village."Getting surrounded,send reinforcements".At current rate of encroachment,I will be left with my back garden as an oasis of non Toryism.


Send three and fourpence, we're going to a dance.


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A bit gobsmacked to be honest on a left wing forum as to the dissing of work,unless I have misinterpreted,enjoined endeavour,social interaction,a sense of worth/value,belonging.I have a wider definition clarification.


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Labour caling for assistance in today's local election in neighbouring village."Getting surrounded,send reinforcements".At current rate of encroachment,I will be left with my back garden as an oasis of non Toryism.


Surrounded by Tories, not LibDems?


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A bit gobsmacked to be honest on a left wing forum as to the dissing of work,unless I have misinterpreted,enjoined endeavour,social interaction,a sense of worth/value,belonging.I have a wider definition clarification.
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Tory MP,they are after village near where he lives.Libdem got another nearby village (the biting incident).


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