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https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... eas-report



DfE's plans to convert schools to academies stalled in many areas – report
Failure to check academy leaders are fit for the job and a lack of sponsors are stumbling blocks

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Eurotom is the reason why we need an extension of article 50.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... ssion=true

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Incomes of middle and low earners set to flatline for another three years, study finds
Inequality to hit record highs as recovery favours wealthier people but poor miss out


Notable for the absence of the usual trite, complacent government statement in response. Stagnating incomes for middle income households can't really be combatted with "we're helping people into work" bollocks.

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https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... eportation

‘I’ve been here for 50 years’: the scandal of the former Commonwealth citizens threatened with deportation

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“They keep saying that I am not on their system – but of course I can’t be on their system because when I came here in 1963 there were no computers,” she says, enraged by the catch-22.


Well, she was clearly issued with a NI no when she turned 16 and has made contributions against it ever since. So she is clearly in the system as someone who came here prior to 1971. I assume the difficulty is proving her identity, that she is the person who has made those contributions? I think it's a good thing that people are being encouraged to get formal documentation so their right to live here is put beyond doubt, but this is something people should be helped with. Government resources should be deployed to help people find the necessary evidence to establish identity, they should be working with them, not against them. The foreign office help British Citizens abroad who have lost vital documents. This isn't so very different, is it?

That none of this is accidental is very clear:

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“The people they have targeted have all worked and contributed. I don’t think this is a mistake. I think they are deliberately doing it. I’ve paid my tax and insurance. The Home Office should know that. The whole system stinks because there is no one to help us. That’s what is hurting me most. When I started this, I was entitled to legal aid, but they took it away. I’ve got no one to turn to.”

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Apologies to all (one exception) for losing my temper last night - I do not withdraw my comments, however, just the tone


As a general rule, people shouldn't state *opinions* as if they were unchallengeable holy writ carved on tablets of stone.

This does of course apply to one poster in particular, but it is something we could all bear usefully in mind :)


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Willow904 wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/incomes-low-middle-earners-pay-flatline-2020-resolution-foundation-report-wage-growth-a8222086.html?amp&__twitter_impression=true

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Incomes of middle and low earners set to flatline for another three years, study finds
Inequality to hit record highs as recovery favours wealthier people but poor miss out


Notable for the absence of the usual trite, complacent government statement in response. Stagnating incomes for middle income households can't really be combatted with "we're helping people into work" bollocks.

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It means families deemed to be “just about managing” will have seen their incomes rise by just £300 (2 per cent) between 2010 and 2020

We need a new definition of 'recession' imo.

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Some define it as 'astonishing prosperity'.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/201 ... corbynism/
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https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/en ... ponse-over
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The government must think again about leaving Euratom, given the impact on healthcare, says Lord Hunt of Kings Heath.


Except there are question marks over our being able to remain in Eurotom during transition, let alone permanently, once we leave the EU. No non-EU country is a member of Eurotom because it involves not just accepting ECJ jurisdiction but also remaining part of the European Parliament and the European Commission.

I'm not very familiar with what an association agreement with Euratom would involve, but Switzerland has this and this could be an option, but I'm not sure there would be time to agree and ratify such an arrangement by March of next year, hence my feeling that extension of article 50 could be the only way to avoid major disruption to radioisotope supplies.

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/poli ... e-to-leave
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Willow904 wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/incomes-low-middle-earners-pay-flatline-2020-resolution-foundation-report-wage-growth-a8222086.html?amp&__twitter_impression=true

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Incomes of middle and low earners set to flatline for another three years, study finds
Inequality to hit record highs as recovery favours wealthier people but poor miss out


Notable for the absence of the usual trite, complacent government statement in response. Stagnating incomes for middle income households can't really be combatted with "we're helping people into work" bollocks.

Link to the study.
http://www.resolutionfoundation.org/pub ... look-2018/

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Morning again...

Thanks for the post AK, and can I again comment Hindl, Gilsey and Willow on some interesting posting to start us off

I am a regular reader of UK Polling Report although I never post on there after having some unpleasant experiences in the past

It is a different board from here - much further to the right with most Labour posters being from the Progress side and some Tories, some of whom are committed Kippers

I really puts into perspective that we, as being pro-EU, have in convincing those who voted for the other side. The arguments we have on here are generally tactical and in the big arguments of Brexit are not that consequential

The Brexiteers are impervious to argument and it takes some reading to see how little they really understand around potential consequences and how they could be mitigated. No amount of argument convinces them and their arguments shift like the sand

The impression I get is the argument moved from sovereignty to immigration to economics and is now settling back on sovereignty again. The economic argument is lost to them but i think also that this is not a major issue for them surprisingly. Immigration seems to get mentioned occassionally and I think it was a factor in the referendum but it is not their main area of focus (may come back though during transition period). Their strongest argument and the one Rees-Mogg uses in BINO is sovereignty

I think we, pro-Europeans, have to really pay attention to this argument as it is their strongest one, and also the one that presents the best opportunity for reversing Brexit completely.

The battles, unfortunately, are in the hands of the Tory Party and today will give us an indication of the direction of travel

Labour are slowly trickling out a movement towards a soft Brexit - but they still would be foolish to commit to the mechanisms in my view becuase of the strong BINO argument. We will hear McDonnell again today and I hope he maintains either this slow movement, or at least doesn't set it back again.


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gilsey wrote:
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/incomes-low-middle-earners-pay-flatline-2020-resolution-foundation-report-wage-growth-a8222086.html?amp&__twitter_impression=true

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Incomes of middle and low earners set to flatline for another three years, study finds
Inequality to hit record highs as recovery favours wealthier people but poor miss out


Notable for the absence of the usual trite, complacent government statement in response. Stagnating incomes for middle income households can't really be combatted with "we're helping people into work" bollocks.

Link to the study.
http://www.resolutionfoundation.org/pub ... look-2018/


This is a good point:

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Finally, pensions auto-enrolmenthas successfully boosted the number of pension savers. This is good news for future pension incomes, but the rises in minimum contribution rates in April 2018 and April 2019 will lower disposable incomes in the short-term. This report models these effects for the first time, showing significant pressures on income growth for middle-income working-age households in 2018-19 and 2019-20.


How many people will be able to continue with their automatic workplace pension contributions when they triple?

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I used to regularly read UKPR in the run up to the 2015 GE - I think the comment threads were rather more healthily balanced then. I have heard that the explosion of sheer triumphalism from many Tories after their unexpected win drove a few left-leaning posters away for good :(


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"To get real Brexit for Great Britain, the DUP should consent to Ulster staying in the Single Market and Customs Union"(Garvan Walshe)
Not universally popular, judging from the comments.


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tinybgoat wrote:
https://www.conservativehome.com/thecolumnists/2018/02/garvan-walshe-to-get-real-brexit-for-great-britain-the-dup-should-allow-northern-ireland-to-stay-in-the-single-market-and-customs-union.html
"To get real Brexit for Great Britain, the DUP should consent to Ulster staying in the Single Market and Customs Union"(Garvan Walshe)
Not universally popular, judging from the comments.


I don't quite see how just part of a country can be in the SM & CU but not the rest of it. Are there any real world examples which suggest this is even slightly feasible?

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UK university staff strike over pension changes – live
https://www.theguardian.com/education/l ... anges-live

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Our employers are planning to make our pensions entirely stock-market based, a move they accept will slash our income in retirement. Our union, the University and College Union, estimates this will result in cuts of 40%, or £200,000, over the course of retirement for the average member. The justification is what many see as a fictionalised deficit based on a valuation widely criticised by financial experts.

We will be taking action to defend our ever-declining working conditions. Those at the bottom – postgraduate teaching assistants and those who have not yet entered the pension scheme – face the worst outcome: zero security in old age.

- Vicky Blake
I’m striking with university colleagues as our pensions are being destroyed


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... t-security
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I can guess what that means but I'm not entirely sure
Does anyone know about this?


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Willow904 wrote:
tinybgoat wrote:
https://www.conservativehome.com/thecolumnists/2018/02/garvan-walshe-to-get-real-brexit-for-great-britain-the-dup-should-allow-northern-ireland-to-stay-in-the-single-market-and-customs-union.html
"To get real Brexit for Great Britain, the DUP should consent to Ulster staying in the Single Market and Customs Union"(Garvan Walshe)
Not universally popular, judging from the comments.


I don't quite see how just part of a country can be in the SM & CU but not the rest of it. Are there any real world examples which suggest this is even slightly feasible?

Good question & I can't think of any. Maybe countries with 'special economic zones' might be nearest equivalent, would have to see what biggest practical issues were & compare.


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tinybgoat wrote:
https://www.conservativehome.com/thecolumnists/2018/02/garvan-walshe-to-get-real-brexit-for-great-britain-the-dup-should-allow-northern-ireland-to-stay-in-the-single-market-and-customs-union.html
"To get real Brexit for Great Britain, the DUP should consent to Ulster staying in the Single Market and Customs Union"(Garvan Walshe)
Not universally popular, judging from the comments.


And nor should it be :twisted:


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Exercise is more precious than ever. So let’s stop scaring kids off PE
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Why is no one exposing our failing firms in advance?
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/22/exercise-schools-pe-lessons-exams

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I liked that article a lot.


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I am surprised you could read it,given my supposed unreadability.

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... peech-2018


NRA head lashes out at gun control advocates: 'They hate individual freedom'

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"I've got a massive gun and not afraid to use it"

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Obvious you give children guns from birth,tsk.

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The residence is a 16th-century manor house called Chequers, and it is just outside a village called Ellesborough. Presciently, Ellesborough’s name came from the Old English for “hill where asses are put out to pasture”.

Well I never knew that! ( knew it had a girl guide pack holiday house, though.)


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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/22/expose-failing-firms-accounting-firms-carillion-mps



Why is no one exposing our failing firms in advance?
Prem Sikka



I haven't seen anything in the Guardian from Prem Sikka for ages (maybe I've not been looking hard enough). Anyway, it's good to see him back (pre-supposing he's been away).


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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/22/exercise-schools-pe-lessons-exams

Exercise is more precious than ever. So let’s stop scaring kids off PE
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Hope that PE lessons are better now than in my day, then.......


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"Sinn Féin's Mary Lou McDonald: 'Theresa May needs to lead'"
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And another one . . .

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No discount beyond end of 2020 owing to start of new EU budget, says senior Brussels source
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/22/exercise-schools-pe-lessons-exams

Exercise is more precious than ever. So let’s stop scaring kids off PE
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Hope that PE lessons are better now than in my day, then.......


My two both really look forward to PE. I'm still trying to get used to it, it just feels wrong, somehow. Neither of them are sporty any more than I was, but PE is rated on progress these days like everything else so there's more focus on individual goals, developing social skills, team work, leadership, that kind of thing. There's a bit more to it these days than school team players getting all the attention while everyone else is sent for laps round the track in between dying from sheer boredom.

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They've only got one and a half hours left to save the world. Still, if nothing else, they should all emerge chubbier from Chequers. (And drunker.)


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Willow904 wrote:
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/22/exercise-schools-pe-lessons-exams

Exercise is more precious than ever. So let’s stop scaring kids off PE
Anna Kessel


Hope that PE lessons are better now than in my day, then.......


My two both really look forward to PE. I'm still trying to get used to it, it just feels wrong, somehow. Neither of them are sporty any more than I was, but PE is rated on progress these days like everything else so there's more focus on individual goals, developing social skills, team work, leadership, that kind of thing. There's a bit more to it these days than school team players getting all the attention while everyone else is sent for laps round the track in between dying from sheer boredom.

Sport is compulsory here , being marked as part of the baccalaureat. Probably doesn't count for very much... but it is there. Too late to call the kids to check!


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Trump may be feeling that noose around his neck....https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status ... 5925502977


Been said a few times now, let's see.


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Brexit: EU rejects Theresa May's 'three baskets' trade plan for future relationship
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What have we had now - smooth and sensible, calm and summat, brexit brexit, various other things and now BASKET CASE BREXIT.

Well at least I believe that's something that might actually happen.

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Question Time this evening was from Uttoxeter and I thoroughly enjoyed the performance of good old Prezza. He's absolutely brilliant because it's like his brain can see a target but when his mouth opens it just decides to shoot scattergun everywhere and hope for the best, so you end up having to make sense of this barrage of words as if you're deconstructing some kind of bizarre jazz poem.

As for the rest you had Brandon Lewis who came across as being frankly thick, some woman from the Express who came across as being sneeringly smug, some bloke from Siemens who came across as being dull and the token lefty who once again came across as being shrill and lightweight.

Now I have noticed over this last series that the token lefty is almost exclusively a young woman, usually from some Left wing website, and they never fair well because they give a shit, they're too earnest, they don't play the game with any experience.

Tonight the sneering harpy from the Express did well, as do all her rancid brethren, by playing to the gallery, by pretending to share the views of the audience. I'm not advocating such base populism but a lot of these young lefties coming straight their own websites seem like rabbits caught in the headlights when faced with an audience of real people outside their bubble. And I don't blame them for that, I blame the BBC.

Why is it the token lefty of the week seems never these days to be an experienced journalist from the Guardian or the Mirror or even the Times? Curiously Question Time has yet to have anyone on from the alt right, not even any of those twats from Guido Fawkes. It's always an experienced journalist from the Mail, Telegraph or Express.

I've been watching this programme for years and while I'm loathe to accuse it of bias it is becoming increasingly hard to ignore.

I'm not going to just sit swimming about in this pot thinking 'this water is getting nice and warm'.


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