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Morning all.

The world's gone white.
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"Snowball fight at 3am.".
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Snow day here today. Happy kids!

How on earth is the so called government getting away with the Ireland situation?

They agreed a deal with the EU to much fanfare and are now choosing not to honour it. It's just pathetic and makes the UK look like utter fools. But of course the Brexit supporting media just cheer them on.
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Snow day here today. Happy kids!

How on earth is the so called government getting away with the Ireland situation?

They agreed a deal with the EU to much fanfare and are now choosing not to honour it. It's just pathetic and makes the UK look like utter fools. But of course the Brexit supporting media just cheer them on.
The most relevant ( I think) section of the December agreement
49. The United Kingdom remains committed to protecting North-South cooperation and to its guarantee of avoiding a hard border. Any future arrangements must be compatible with these overarching requirements. The United Kingdom's intention is to achieve these objectives through the overall EU-UK relationship. Should this not be possible,
the United Kingdom will propose specific solutions to address the unique circumstances of the island of Ireland. In the absence of agreed solutions, the United Kingdom will maintain full alignment with those rules of the Internal Market and the Customs Union which, now or in the future, support North-South cooperation, the all island economy and the protection of the 1998 Agreement.
committed ... must ... will ... full alignment... now or in the future ...

This is the agreement that Davis was trying to walk away from the moment he was out of the room. It can't be a surprise that the EU are going to nail down exactly what everything means.

The whole December agreement is here.
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adam wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Snow day here today. Happy kids!

How on earth is the so called government getting away with the Ireland situation?

They agreed a deal with the EU to much fanfare and are now choosing not to honour it. It's just pathetic and makes the UK look like utter fools. But of course the Brexit supporting media just cheer them on.
The most relevant ( I think) section of the December agreement
49. The United Kingdom remains committed to protecting North-South cooperation and to its guarantee of avoiding a hard border. Any future arrangements must be compatible with these overarching requirements. The United Kingdom's intention is to achieve these objectives through the overall EU-UK relationship. Should this not be possible,
the United Kingdom will propose specific solutions to address the unique circumstances of the island of Ireland. In the absence of agreed solutions, the United Kingdom will maintain full alignment with those rules of the Internal Market and the Customs Union which, now or in the future, support North-South cooperation, the all island economy and the protection of the 1998 Agreement.
committed ... must ... will ... full alignment... now or in the future ...

This is the agreement that Davis was trying to walk away from the moment he was out of the room. It can't be a surprise that the EU are going to nail down exactly what everything means.

The whole December agreement is here.
And remember the media circus around that agreement? They can't just ignore it now because they still haven't solved it.
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adam wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Snow day here today. Happy kids!

How on earth is the so called government getting away with the Ireland situation?

They agreed a deal with the EU to much fanfare and are now choosing not to honour it. It's just pathetic and makes the UK look like utter fools. But of course the Brexit supporting media just cheer them on.
The most relevant ( I think) section of the December agreement
49. The United Kingdom remains committed to protecting North-South cooperation and to its guarantee of avoiding a hard border. Any future arrangements must be compatible with these overarching requirements. The United Kingdom's intention is to achieve these objectives through the overall EU-UK relationship. Should this not be possible,
the United Kingdom will propose specific solutions to address the unique circumstances of the island of Ireland. In the absence of agreed solutions, the United Kingdom will maintain full alignment with those rules of the Internal Market and the Customs Union which, now or in the future, support North-South cooperation, the all island economy and the protection of the 1998 Agreement.
committed ... must ... will ... full alignment... now or in the future ...

This is the agreement that Davis was trying to walk away from the moment he was out of the room. It can't be a surprise that the EU are going to nail down exactly what everything means.

The whole December agreement is here.
seems pretty clear to me adam...suppose it is the word 'alignment' that is causing th issue - wonder how they will phrase it in the legal agreement
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howsillyofme1 wrote:...suppose it is the word 'alignment' that is causing the issue...
There's been a lot of this in BTL stuff - words are slippery and semantics can be fun but context is everything. If 'alignment' might arguably be unclear, the United Kingdom will maintain full alignment with those rules of the Internal Market and the Customs Union which, now or in the future, support North-South cooperation, the all island economy and the protection of the 1998 Agreement is much, much clearer. There is little if any doubt about what the rest of the EU think it means - if we think it means something different then perhaps we don't have a stage one agreement after all.
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adam wrote: if we think it means something different then perhaps we don't have a stage one agreement after all.
This.
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Good morning.

We're more or less snowed in, snowplough hasn't been round yesterday or today yet. Mr gilsey had an appointment at the doctor's but has cancelled it, although some of the neighbours with 4WDs have braved it. Other neighbours are up the hill sledging.
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Good morfternoon.
Bradley seeks to defuse Johnson leak row by reaffirming government's commitment to avoiding hard border in Ireland

Andrew Murrison, the Conservative MP who chairs the committee, starts by asking Karen Bradley to clarify the government’s stance on the Irish border.

Bradley says she cannot comment on leaked documents.

But the British government stands resolutely behind the joint report from December.

That means, as the joint report says, there will be no hard border. The UK government has said that, the Irish government have said that, and the EU have said that. That means no physical infrastructure at the border, she says.

She says she has not seen the EU document being published later. (Politics Live, Guardian)


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BORIS JOHNSON SAYS THE ISSUE OF NORTHERN IRELAND IS BEING USED IN AN ATTEMPT TO KEEP BRITAIN IN A CUSTOMS UNION WITH THE EU
Wriggling like a worm on a hook.
Some of us had thought of this before, even before the referendum. :wall:
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We've dodged the snow all winter, but we've got an amber warning from 2pm tomorrow and as it's coming up from the south and heading into the Midlands and Wales I can't see how we'll dodge this one.

Meanwhile it seems the government are facing their own amber warning over the exact terms of the withdrawal agreement. I don't see that being dodged either. It's cards on the table time.
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PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.
Bradley seeks to defuse Johnson leak row by reaffirming government's commitment to avoiding hard border in Ireland

Andrew Murrison, the Conservative MP who chairs the committee, starts by asking Karen Bradley to clarify the government’s stance on the Irish border.

Bradley says she cannot comment on leaked documents.

But the British government stands resolutely behind the joint report from December.

That means, as the joint report says, there will be no hard border. The UK government has said that, the Irish government have said that, and the EU have said that. That means no physical infrastructure at the border, she says.

She says she has not seen the EU document being published later. (Politics Live, Guardian)
Edited - tidy up
It has been proclaimed, and lo, it must be so. I wonder how. The BTL answer is that 'well, we just won't have any border infrastructure, it's up to the EU / Ireland if they want to, nothing to do with us'.
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Thousands of jobs at risk as Maplin and Toys R Us fall into administration - business live

Black morning for UK retail as two chains employing over 5,000 people call in the administrators (Guardian)
Also, restaurant chain "Prezzo" (never heard of them) is in trouble.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/li ... iness-live
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Excellent thread from Schona Jolly QC, legal twitter people usually sound pretty calm but she's pretty angry.
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Comment on the just being published EU paper
The Protocol on Ireland is quite breathtaking in its level of detail. It establishes a "common regulatory area" between north-south, covering customs, VAT, energy, env, agri, product markets and more. This is the enforcement section -- full ECJ jurisdiction over Northern Ireland
So we are saying 'no hard border, all will be well' and the EU are saying 'This is what that means in practice'. And we will have a meltdown.
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Thanks adam

can't disagree with anything you wrote above
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Speaker grants Commons urgent question on Boris Johnson leaked letter on Irish border

Kevin Schofield

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BREAKING: Boris Johnson will NOT be answering this UQ for the Government. Junior FCO minister Mark Field will be doing it instead. " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
11:21 AM - Feb 28, 2018 (Politics Live, Guardian)
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PorFavor wrote:
Thousands of jobs at risk as Maplin and Toys R Us fall into administration - business live

Black morning for UK retail as two chains employing over 5,000 people call in the administrators (Guardian)
Also, restaurant chain "Prezzo" (never heard of them) is in trouble.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/li ... iness-live
I recalled this cracking Will Self piece on Prezzo

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all-garlic-has-turned-us-vast-army-urbanely-middle-class-undead
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adam wrote:Comment on the just being published EU paper
The Protocol on Ireland is quite breathtaking in its level of detail. It establishes a "common regulatory area" between north-south, covering customs, VAT, energy, env, agri, product markets and more. This is the enforcement section -- full ECJ jurisdiction over Northern Ireland
So we are saying 'no hard border, all will be well' and the EU are saying 'This is what that means in practice'. And we will have a meltdown.
I'm dreading it.

Surely there are some classy journos out there who will step up to what's needed here!
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PorFavor wrote:
Speaker grants Commons urgent question on Boris Johnson leaked letter on Irish border

Kevin Schofield

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BREAKING: Boris Johnson will NOT be answering this UQ for the Government. Junior FCO minister Mark Field will be doing it instead. " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
11:21 AM - Feb 28, 2018 (Politics Live, Guardian)
Tories on social media trying to blame Corbyn for this letter being leaked, not sure of their reasoning there :D
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PorFavor wrote:
Thousands of jobs at risk as Maplin and Toys R Us fall into administration - business live

Black morning for UK retail as two chains employing over 5,000 people call in the administrators (Guardian)
Also, restaurant chain "Prezzo" (never heard of them) is in trouble.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/li ... iness-live
I've had better days at work (Maplin).
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Also understand while everyone focussed on Northern Ireland that there is going to be a Gibraltar issue in the draft text - on the non-application of transition unless agreed bilaterally by Spain
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Snow has finally arrived here, chess match scheduled for tonight is called off.
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:Snow has finally arrived here, chess match scheduled for tonight is called off.
Is that because you won't be able to differentiate between the white and the black squares?








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AnatolyKasparov wrote:Snow has finally arrived here, chess match scheduled for tonight is called off.
Quite understandable those knights could easily fall on landing ;-)
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:Snow has finally arrived here, chess match scheduled for tonight is called off.
The odds too heavily in White's favour there surely
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Afternoon folks,
Thundersnow- never experienced that before. It’s a bit of a blizzard round here. Thankfully I’ve no need to drive anywhere.Must be very difficult for old folk on their own.
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Speculation that at least one of the council by-elections due for tomorrow could be postponed because of the weather.
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How rare is that?
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Mrs May said "no UK prime minister could ever agree" to this.
Except she did, in December. This is getting beyond ridiculous now.
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£28m rough sleeper fund still unspent

A ministerial task force on rough sleeping will meet for the first time next week three months after it was set up.

A £28 million fund to provide accommodation for the homeless established at the same time has yet to distribute any money, officials admitted yesterday. Three pilot areas have been identified but no grants have been made.

Publicity surrounding the recent death of a rough sleeper in Westminster Tube station, within feet of parliament’s entrance, has focused attention on a rise in the numbers. The recent cold snap, which is thought to have contributed to the death of another man on Friday, has added to public concern.

Heather Wheeler, the minister responsible, said that the government would have a new strategy in place by July. A spokesman for the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government defended the delay on the grounds that the priority had been to establish an independent panel including charity heads. That met for the first time on February 1.

Speaking in a debate on homelessness, Layla Moran, the Lib Dem MP, said: “Anyone who has visited a town centre recently will know that this is now at a crisis level; indeed, the public accounts committee concluded that it is a national crisis.”
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Is it time for timidity or for ambition on support for younger disabled people?


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@Sam Lister

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Now hedge funds target Interserve as shares slump 12% following two profit warnings and cash flow concerns
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HindleA wrote:How rare is that?
Pretty rare. Though I think it has happened before within recent memory.
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Our work is encumbered with financial horseshit
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HindleA wrote:https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/28m- ... fe2ddbbf40


£28m rough sleeper fund still unspent
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Blizzard on and off all morning, early afternoon here, West Midlands
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adam wrote:Comment on the just being published EU paper
The Protocol on Ireland is quite breathtaking in its level of detail. It establishes a "common regulatory area" between north-south, covering customs, VAT, energy, env, agri, product markets and more. This is the enforcement section -- full ECJ jurisdiction over Northern Ireland
So we are saying 'no hard border, all will be well' and the EU are saying 'This is what that means in practice'. And we will have a meltdown.
I'm hoping we can have the meltdown now, rather than May somehow managing to kick the can down the road again.
We're running out of time, and they've done nothing.
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HindleA wrote:https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/28m- ... fe2ddbbf40





£28m rough sleeper fund still unspent

A ministerial task force on rough sleeping will meet for the first time next week three months after it was set up.

A £28 million fund to provide accommodation for the homeless established at the same time has yet to distribute any money, officials admitted yesterday. Three pilot areas have been identified but no grants have been made.

Publicity surrounding the recent death of a rough sleeper in Westminster Tube station, within feet of parliament’s entrance, has focused attention on a rise in the numbers. The recent cold snap, which is thought to have contributed to the death of another man on Friday, has added to public concern.

Heather Wheeler, the minister responsible, said that the government would have a new strategy in place by July. A spokesman for the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government defended the delay on the grounds that the priority had been to establish an independent panel including charity heads. That met for the first time on February 1.

Speaking in a debate on homelessness, Layla Moran, the Lib Dem MP, said: “Anyone who has visited a town centre recently will know that this is now at a crisis level; indeed, the public accounts committee concluded that it is a national crisis.”
They're aiming to halve rough sleeping by 2022 and eliminate it by 2027, I think?
Tells you everything you need to know about this govt. They could end 90% of it tomorrow with the Treasury petty cash.
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I see that a certain Sir J Major has waded into the Tory "debate" on Brexit. This really must seem like old times to him ;)
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