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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Snow day here today. Happy kids!

How on earth is the so called government getting away with the Ireland situation?

They agreed a deal with the EU to much fanfare and are now choosing not to honour it. It's just pathetic and makes the UK look like utter fools. But of course the Brexit supporting media just cheer them on.

49. The United Kingdom remains committed to protecting North-South cooperation and to its guarantee of avoiding a hard border. Any future arrangements must be compatible with these overarching requirements. The United Kingdom's intention is to achieve these objectives through the overall EU-UK relationship. Should this not be possible,
the United Kingdom will propose specific solutions to address the unique circumstances of the island of Ireland. In the absence of agreed solutions, the United Kingdom will maintain full alignment with those rules of the Internal Market and the Customs Union which, now or in the future, support North-South cooperation, the all island economy and the protection of the 1998 Agreement.

adam wrote:

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Snow day here today. Happy kids!

How on earth is the so called government getting away with the Ireland situation?

They agreed a deal with the EU to much fanfare and are now choosing not to honour it. It's just pathetic and makes the UK look like utter fools. But of course the Brexit supporting media just cheer them on.

The most relevant ( I think) section of the December agreement

49. The United Kingdom remains committed to protecting North-South cooperation and to its guarantee of avoiding a hard border. Any future arrangements must be compatible with these overarching requirements. The United Kingdom's intention is to achieve these objectives through the overall EU-UK relationship. Should this not be possible,
the United Kingdom will propose specific solutions to address the unique circumstances of the island of Ireland. In the absence of agreed solutions, the United Kingdom will maintain full alignment with those rules of the Internal Market and the Customs Union which, now or in the future, support North-South cooperation, the all island economy and the protection of the 1998 Agreement.

committed ... must ... will ... full alignment... now or in the future ...

This is the agreement that Davis was trying to walk away from the moment he was out of the room. It can't be a surprise that the EU are going to nail down exactly what everything means.

The whole December agreement is here.

adam wrote:

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Snow day here today. Happy kids!

How on earth is the so called government getting away with the Ireland situation?

They agreed a deal with the EU to much fanfare and are now choosing not to honour it. It's just pathetic and makes the UK look like utter fools. But of course the Brexit supporting media just cheer them on.

The most relevant ( I think) section of the December agreement

49. The United Kingdom remains committed to protecting North-South cooperation and to its guarantee of avoiding a hard border. Any future arrangements must be compatible with these overarching requirements. The United Kingdom's intention is to achieve these objectives through the overall EU-UK relationship. Should this not be possible,
the United Kingdom will propose specific solutions to address the unique circumstances of the island of Ireland. In the absence of agreed solutions, the United Kingdom will maintain full alignment with those rules of the Internal Market and the Customs Union which, now or in the future, support North-South cooperation, the all island economy and the protection of the 1998 Agreement.

committed ... must ... will ... full alignment... now or in the future ...

This is the agreement that Davis was trying to walk away from the moment he was out of the room. It can't be a surprise that the EU are going to nail down exactly what everything means.

The whole December agreement is here.

howsillyofme1 wrote:...suppose it is the word 'alignment' that is causing the issue...

adam wrote: if we think it means something different then perhaps we don't have a stage one agreement after all.

Bradley seeks to defuse Johnson leak row by reaffirming government's commitment to avoiding hard border in Ireland

Andrew Murrison, the Conservative MP who chairs the committee, starts by asking Karen Bradley to clarify the government’s stance on the Irish border.

Bradley says she cannot comment on leaked documents.

But the British government stands resolutely behind the joint report from December.

That means, as the joint report says, there will be no hard border. The UK government has said that, the Irish government have said that, and the EU have said that. That means no physical infrastructure at the border, she says.

She says she has not seen the EU document being published later. (Politics Live, Guardian)

BORIS JOHNSON SAYS THE ISSUE OF NORTHERN IRELAND IS BEING USED IN AN ATTEMPT TO KEEP BRITAIN IN A CUSTOMS UNION WITH THE EU

PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.

Bradley seeks to defuse Johnson leak row by reaffirming government's commitment to avoiding hard border in Ireland

Andrew Murrison, the Conservative MP who chairs the committee, starts by asking Karen Bradley to clarify the government’s stance on the Irish border.

Bradley says she cannot comment on leaked documents.

But the British government stands resolutely behind the joint report from December.

That means, as the joint report says, there will be no hard border. The UK government has said that, the Irish government have said that, and the EU have said that. That means no physical infrastructure at the border, she says.

She says she has not seen the EU document being published later. (Politics Live, Guardian)

Edited - tidy up

Thousands of jobs at risk as Maplin and Toys R Us fall into administration - business live

Black morning for UK retail as two chains employing over 5,000 people call in the administrators (Guardian)

The Protocol on Ireland is quite breathtaking in its level of detail. It establishes a "common regulatory area" between north-south, covering customs, VAT, energy, env, agri, product markets and more. This is the enforcement section -- full ECJ jurisdiction over Northern Ireland

Speaker grants Commons urgent question on Boris Johnson leaked letter on Irish border

Kevin Schofield
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@PolhomeEditor

BREAKING: Boris Johnson will NOT be answering this UQ for the Government. Junior FCO minister Mark Field will be doing it instead. " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
11:21 AM - Feb 28, 2018 (Politics Live, Guardian)

PorFavor wrote:

Thousands of jobs at risk as Maplin and Toys R Us fall into administration - business live

Black morning for UK retail as two chains employing over 5,000 people call in the administrators (Guardian)

Also, restaurant chain "Prezzo" (never heard of them) is in trouble.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/li ... iness-live

adam wrote:Comment on the just being published EU paper

The Protocol on Ireland is quite breathtaking in its level of detail. It establishes a "common regulatory area" between north-south, covering customs, VAT, energy, env, agri, product markets and more. This is the enforcement section -- full ECJ jurisdiction over Northern Ireland

So we are saying 'no hard border, all will be well' and the EU are saying 'This is what that means in practice'. And we will have a meltdown.

PorFavor wrote:

Speaker grants Commons urgent question on Boris Johnson leaked letter on Irish border

Kevin Schofield
✔
@PolhomeEditor

BREAKING: Boris Johnson will NOT be answering this UQ for the Government. Junior FCO minister Mark Field will be doing it instead. " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
11:21 AM - Feb 28, 2018 (Politics Live, Guardian)

PorFavor wrote:

Thousands of jobs at risk as Maplin and Toys R Us fall into administration - business live

Black morning for UK retail as two chains employing over 5,000 people call in the administrators (Guardian)

Also, restaurant chain "Prezzo" (never heard of them) is in trouble.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/li ... iness-live

Faisal Islam
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Also understand while everyone focussed on Northern Ireland that there is going to be a Gibraltar issue in the draft text - on the non-application of transition unless agreed bilaterally by Spain

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Snow has finally arrived here, chess match scheduled for tonight is called off.

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Snow has finally arrived here, chess match scheduled for tonight is called off.

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Snow has finally arrived here, chess match scheduled for tonight is called off.

Mrs May said "no UK prime minister could ever agree" to this.

Now hedge funds target Interserve as shares slump 12% following two profit warnings and cash flow concerns

HindleA wrote:How rare is that?

HindleA wrote:https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/28m- ... fe2ddbbf40


£28m rough sleeper fund still unspent
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adam wrote:Comment on the just being published EU paper

The Protocol on Ireland is quite breathtaking in its level of detail. It establishes a "common regulatory area" between north-south, covering customs, VAT, energy, env, agri, product markets and more. This is the enforcement section -- full ECJ jurisdiction over Northern Ireland

So we are saying 'no hard border, all will be well' and the EU are saying 'This is what that means in practice'. And we will have a meltdown.

HindleA wrote:https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/28m- ... fe2ddbbf40





£28m rough sleeper fund still unspent

A ministerial task force on rough sleeping will meet for the first time next week three months after it was set up.

A £28 million fund to provide accommodation for the homeless established at the same time has yet to distribute any money, officials admitted yesterday. Three pilot areas have been identified but no grants have been made.

Publicity surrounding the recent death of a rough sleeper in Westminster Tube station, within feet of parliament’s entrance, has focused attention on a rise in the numbers. The recent cold snap, which is thought to have contributed to the death of another man on Friday, has added to public concern.

Heather Wheeler, the minister responsible, said that the government would have a new strategy in place by July. A spokesman for the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government defended the delay on the grounds that the priority had been to establish an independent panel including charity heads. That met for the first time on February 1.

Speaking in a debate on homelessness, Layla Moran, the Lib Dem MP, said: “Anyone who has visited a town centre recently will know that this is now at a crisis level; indeed, the public accounts committee concluded that it is a national crisis.”