FlyTheNest

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 2:43 pm**

Sky's correspondent saying that Theresa May's speech was "detailed and clear".

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 2:50 pm**

PorFavor wrote:Sky's correspondent saying that Theresa May's speech was "detailed and clear".

And all about a cherry-picking scenario that the EU has already ruled out.

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 2:52 pm**

Well done for taking your own suggestion,though the gin reduction to a gallon a day,my have helped.

Usual hysterical needless panic buying causes shortages for others.

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 2:59 pm**

It was certainly a bit more detailed and I suppose it was clear. She wants a pick and mix of full access for bits we want, association for the bits that are expensive and difficult to do ourselves and divergence where it suits us. Oh and no ECJ.

Exactly what the EU is adamant we will not be able to have.

She wants the moon, in other words, and even that is going to be a compromise for the hard Brexit core apparently.

She was also very clear that we are leaving the EU because people voted for it and not because it's a good idea or will have any benefits or anything.

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 3:00 pm**

Inspired by "good morfternoon" we could perhaps call it a "customs partunionship".

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 3:02 pm**

Q: [From ITV’s Robert Peston.] People voted to take back control. But today you are promising not to exercise the control you are taking back. So what was the point of Brexit?

May says people voted to take back control of money, borders and laws. That will happen. In some areas it will make sense to operate on the same basis as now. But the decision will be for parliament.

There will be commitments. But that happens in any trade deal, she says.

We're taking back the control we ceded to get an excellent trade deal as an EU member so we can give it away again in pursuit of a less excellent trade deal.

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 3:04 pm**

Never understood the school closing thing,we had weather like this every year,never shut.The people that couldn't make it had their parents home,the ones that did were overseen by the staff that could.Maybe a function of car use.

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 3:06 pm**

On financial services, she says Philip Hammond, the chancellor, will say next week how financial services should be part of a deep and comprehensive partnership.

May says the UK is not looking for passporting.

Is this the first time this has been acknowledged? With the red lines May has previously drawn passporting for financial services was unlikely to be possible but I'm not aware this has been specifically stated before.

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 3:30 pm**

Guy Verhofstadt claims that Theresa May's speech was "a few more cherries on the "Brexit" cake".

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 3:47 pm**

HindleA wrote:Never understood the school closing thing,we had weather like this every year,never shut.The people that couldn't make it had their parents home,the ones that did were overseen by the staff that could.Maybe a function of car use.

Think that's probably true - I know some of our teachers live a fair distance away.

Ours was closed today and I guess partly due to staff not being able to get in.

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 3:53 pm**

PorFavor wrote:As one door closes another one opens. Apparently.

She's said that again?

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 3:54 pm**

No doors opened then or now

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 4:00 pm**

PorFavor wrote:Sky's correspondent saying that Theresa May's speech was "detailed and clear".

Able to hear the words May said. Words strung together detailed something. Heard every single word in that transmission. Yep.

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 4:02 pm**

HindleA wrote:Never understood the school closing thing,we had weather like this every year,never shut.The people that couldn't make it had their parents home,the ones that did were overseen by the staff that could.Maybe a function of car use.

School closures in the 80s mean many children having to travel further than they used to and then there is "choice" meaning fewer pupils simply attending their closest school. So car use increases.

But then again it could be about attendence stats. Children not managing to attend an open school from outlying cut off villages brings attendance down, but a closed school doesn't? Not sure.

Anyway, we haven't experienced conditions quite as bad as this since the early eighties, it really is quite exceptional. The blizzard conditions were so widespread there simply weren't enough ploughs and gritters to keep roads passable and the cold temperatures mean it's hanging around. I'm not sure kids learn much when half the school hasn't shown up and there's snow on the ground anyway

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 4:38 pm**

Willow904 wrote: Anyway, we haven't experienced conditions quite as bad as this since the early eighties, it really is quite exceptional. The blizzard conditions were so widespread there simply weren't enough ploughs and gritters to keep roads passable and the cold temperatures mean it's hanging around. I'm not sure kids learn much when half the school hasn't shown up and there's snow on the ground anyway

Round your way, perhaps. The winter of 2010 saw snow lying from the end of November till February, and it got down to -10 in my garden (in town).
The wind and drifting is more of an issue this time. The roads and railways are blocked north, south and west, so Newcastle is cut off from the rest of the uk. The upside was that the inlaws couldn’t get their usual Mail and Times, and had to settle for the Journal.

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 4:55 pm**

Afternoon

On schools there is often he question of liability and also there are examples of where teachers have been called in but pupils not

I remember schools being closed for snow days in the past in similar conditions

There is also the question of liability - it is often not the school but clearing the environs and if there is an accident due to inadequate clearing of snow and ice then there will be an issue I think - this was definitely not the case 30 years ago

So May has not said very much new but the commentators are treating it as something radically different - one thing I think she has managed to do is to keep everyone on side which is pretty skilful and it looks like, as normal, the Tory 'rebels' on whom so much hope is put will now line up behind the Government in a CU vote

No-one is mentioning the transition period - did I miss this?

There was talk about a future state but I am not quite clear on the WA and the main points in that are NI (no improvement on her previous comments), EU citizens (still not seen as acceptable to the EU and nothing further on that) and the money (suppose this has been agreed in principle but you have the threats of DD)

The can has been kicked down the road again.

So she has won a battle today but the reality is 'nothing has changed' - how can the Tory remainers and the rabid Brexiteers both welcome sthe same thing? because it is full of empty, meaningless bollocks that is how!

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 5:23 pm**

Hey, nothing fell off!
Success

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 5:29 pm**

55DegreesNorth wrote:
Willow904 wrote: Anyway, we haven't experienced conditions quite as bad as this since the early eighties, it really is quite exceptional. The blizzard conditions were so widespread there simply weren't enough ploughs and gritters to keep roads passable and the cold temperatures mean it's hanging around. I'm not sure kids learn much when half the school hasn't shown up and there's snow on the ground anyway
Round your way, perhaps. The winter of 2010 saw snow lying from the end of November till February, and it got down to -10 in my garden (in town).
The wind and drifting is more of an issue this time. The roads and railways are blocked north, south and west, so Newcastle is cut off from the rest of the uk. The upside was that the inlaws couldn’t get their usual Mail and Times, and had to settle for the Journal.

We did have quite a bit of snow here in 2010 as well, but it was more normal, accumulating on the higher ground but with main roads well gritted and kept clear. Yesterday the blizzard conditions meant roads were covered in snow and ice even at quite low accumulations and it caught a lot of commuters out as roads that are normally fine with those depths of snow had become very tricky and it really was chaos with huge queues backing up as cars and lorries struggled to get up the steeper hills. It just wasn't the kind of snow people here are used to, especially in the cities. Bristol and Bath just don't do snow, normally, though we certainly do where I am on the Mendips.

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 6:26 pm**

Despite her efforts to quell fears of a hard Irish border, [Theresa May] accidentally began a sentence: "To achieve a hard border-."
She then corrected herself: "To avoid a hard border…"

http://www.newstalk.com/British-Prime-M ... ver-Brexit" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 6:27 pm**

"After all, this was always intended as a speech with something for everyone."
- John Crace

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 6:50 pm**

citizenJA wrote:"After all, this was always intended as a speech with something for everyone."
- John Crace

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... john-crace" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Maybe posted already , but I didn't see it !

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 6:51 pm**

citizenJA wrote:Hey, nothing fell off!
Success

That *is* a success, currently.

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 7:09 pm**

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 35471.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Life expectancy of poorest girls in England falls for first time on record since 1920s, figures show

Given the purposefully targeted nature of policy,despite the guff,monies and support back to pre mass decarceration levels when we need it more,not relatively less,applied to the sick/disabled however temporarilly. Certainly the quality of life affected perniciously with more State penalisation/neglect of basic reciprocity to come and mooted for charging more for less.
,often to a shorter life as it is.Presenting as burdensome is fascistic,you can argue how "intentional" this is,pretty obvious to me.

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 7:11 pm**

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What a speech by the PM! Everyone has run into the street to celebrate. A carnival atmosphere; people quoting their favourite bits, children taking turns at being different cabinet ministers. Just saw a Millennial share some avocado with an elderly racist.
Britain is great again!

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 7:14 pm**

Truly searing sarcasm

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 7:17 pm**

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... f-the-year" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 7:23 pm**

http://www.advicescotland.com/the-home- ... -interest/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If you worked hard, paid your taxes and national insurance contributions, then the welfare state would protect you if misfortune fell upon you.

But it was all a fraud.

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 7:25 pm**

UBI musings aid that breaking of threadbare link IMHO.

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 7:29 pm**

Ie reciprocity works both ways,removing own part of "deal" so much easier for Governments to remove what's left of theirs.

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 7:29 pm**

I've listened to Theresa May's speech again and again, and I really can't understand why it seems to have gone down well. She might just as well have cut to the chase and said, "Straight up, guv! Nothing has changed."

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 7:31 pm**

PorFavor wrote:I've listened to Theresa May's speech again and again, and I really can't understand why it seems to have gone down well. She might just as well have cut to the chase and said, "Straight up, guv! Nothing has changed."

I think JA got it.

When you set the bar so low, nothing fell off is a major success!

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 7:36 pm**

Ouch

“Our relationship must be close and comprehensive, but this is only possible if the UK Government understands that the EU is a rules based organisation, as there is little appetite to renegotiate the rules of the single market to satisfy a compromise crafted to placate a divided Conservative party. “

Guy Verhofstadt

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 7:40 pm**

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... s-too-high" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Profit-hungry firms are gambling on social care. Are the stakes too high?

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 7:45 pm**

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ch-cartoon" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Martin Rowson on Theresa May's third Brexit speech

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 7:48 pm**

https://kittysjones.wordpress.com/2018/ ... cruel-cut/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Disability Income Guarantee abolished under Universal Credit rules – a sly and cruel cut

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 7:49 pm**

PorFavor wrote:I've listened to Theresa May's speech again and again, and I really can't understand why it seems to have gone down well. She might just as well have cut to the chase and said, "Straight up, guv! Nothing has changed."

Amongst whom, journalists?

She could have said, indeed done, literally anything and most of them would have praised it.

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 7:56 pm**

I saw Dominic Grieve interviewed earlier in the week (when Hoey was the Labour representative nat.....so mainstream) and he said that the biggest error being made was that people treated the EU as a state when in fact it is a treaty-based organisation and so it can only apply rules and it cannot amend them or introduce new ones with agreement of all the members (perhaps some can be done under QMV but that is quite restricted examples)

The UK Government can actually sign treaties without recourse to Parliament (I think it is right - under the prerogative) and so is much simpler

There are 3 things that need to be done

WA - this has already been agreed in principle (apparently) and just needs to be legally codified. There is little negotiation to be had on this as the principles are set. In most cases it is the EU waiting for us to fill our bits in - they have done theirs.

Transition - totally within the gift of the EU

Future trade treaty- totally within the gift of the EU (we could join EEA which would simplify things a bit)

The Government have not been honest when they keep talking about it simply being a negotiation - it is much less equal than that. If the EU doesn't like what we say they can just say no....and the consequences of that are significant. Humiliation as we run back and agree or economic damage

I think we also can underestimate the tone and how the EU can help the Government the capitulation that will inevitably come - this is where Labour have a huge edge with Starmer being far more credible. The commitment to the transition under current rules also buys us a time that the Tories have not yet got!

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 7:59 pm**

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
PorFavor wrote:I've listened to Theresa May's speech again and again, and I really can't understand why it seems to have gone down well. She might just as well have cut to the chase and said, "Straight up, guv! Nothing has changed."
Amongst whom, journalists?

She could have said, indeed done, literally anything and most of them would have praised it.

Well, (most) journalists, for sure. But the Conservative Party, "arch-brexiters" and the more "remain" disposed, alike. Which makes me suspicious of what sort of side-deal she's done with the former grouping - who aren't usually backwards in coming forwards.

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 8:00 pm**

https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/m ... er-people/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Mystery "over shock fall in disability benefits paid to older people

Attempted to abolish it under the business rate retention ruse,to be fair all shades of Government sporadically try such things,hence in abeyance on Labour's "holistic approach" and/or "getting" independent living right rather than State,at what ever level discretion.

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 8:06 pm**

Meanwhile in US under a fascistic President an attempt at legislation to a right to community living.

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 8:09 pm**

HindleA wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 35471.html

Life expectancy of poorest girls in England falls for first time on record since 1920s, figures show

Given the purposefully targeted nature of policy,despite the guff,monies and support back to pre mass decarceration levels when we need it more,not relatively less,applied to the sick/disabled however temporarilly. Certainly the quality of life affected perniciously with more State penalisation/neglect of basic reciprocity to come and mooted for charging more for less.
,often to a shorter life as it is.Presenting as burdensome is fascistic,you can argue how "intentional" this is,pretty obvious to me.

Yes, I looked over the ONS report earlier this morning. Depressing as hell. Depressed because it's intentional harm being done. What makes UK leadership so ugly?

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 8:13 pm**

HindleA wrote:Meanwhile in US under a fascistic President an attempt at legislation to a right to community living.

Unprecedented lunatic
He's muzzled

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 8:15 pm**

Night night.

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 8:16 pm**

Eg if you don't have to work/seek work regardless,Government's can continue to apply removals/change to loan regardless if fully fit two year contributor or terminally ill thirty year contributor

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 8:17 pm**

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Ouch
“Our relationship must be close and comprehensive, but this is only possible if the UK Government understands that the EU is a rules based organisation, as there is little appetite to renegotiate the rules of the single market to satisfy a compromise crafted to placate a divided Conservative party. “
Guy Verhofstadt

I'd like that, it's a responsible, adult and safe thing to say, don't you think? Is it too much to ask for, nice, sane leadership? I don't think so.

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 8:17 pm**

PorFavor wrote:Night night.

Goodnight, PorFavor

Hot date?

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 8:18 pm**

Dunno about "hot" just at the minute tbh.

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 8:19 pm**

citizenJA wrote:
HindleA wrote:Meanwhile in US under a fascistic President an attempt at legislation to a right to community living.
Unprecedented lunatic
He's muzzled

I should qualify this. I feel less threatened by him. I concede I may be wrong.

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 8:23 pm**

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Dunno about "hot" just at the minute tbh.

Dancing, all-night dancing

Posted: **Fri 02 Mar, 2018 8:26 pm**

'millennial sharing avocado with an elderly racist'

lyrics to a Beck tune

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