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Morning all.
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It's a heatwave comparatively.
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https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018 ... -sheffield" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Housing crisis: 15,000 new Manchester homes and not a single one 'affordable'
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Morning.

I'm not very encouraged by the Italian election :-(
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There will be another one in a minute.
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I thought I would share this email I received this morning on the subject "SJW Milieu control"
Dear [PaulfromYorkshire]

This is addressed to you by name, but just FYI, it's a copy and paste that I'm sending to many professors at various universities around the world. Rest assured that this email and any replies you give will be kept completely confidential, and that you weren't selected for any particular reason- emails are sent simply as a process of visiting a university website, clicking on a directory of staff, and copy and pasting email address.

This email is about the growing influence of radical "SJW feminism", which many believe to be a great threat to our society. Over the past decade, the patterns of speech and behavior from feminist individuals and organizations closely fit the criteria for the phenomenon referred to as Milieu Control, a psychological tactic by which radical and extreme ideologies gradually take control of society. This is seen by the rise of radical feminist student union groups, ascension of feminist politicians to government, and passage of gendered and discriminatory laws favoring women.

Recently, such a measure was brought forth by the chief justice as part of the “Equal Treatment Bench Book”, something of a sentencing guideline for judges. In the new addition, judges are advised not to send women to prison as a general rule, and if a judge feels a sentence is necessary, to consider a suspended sentence. Here is an article on the matter:

https://www.rt.com/uk/420223-judges-cou ... -equality/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Needless to say, the creation of an entire separate and non-equal process in the justice system is of great concern. It might be thought that such a measure is pre-emptive, as to give immunity to whatever activities members of the radical feminist movement might do.

We have been following this pattern for over a decade. If you’ve ever heard of the men’s rights movement, you might have some idea as to who we are, although the press only presents a very distorted and inaccurate view, such as you might expect (misogynists, right-wing,etc). In reality, the mens’s rights movement is a moderate group that believes in legal and social equality for both genders.

If you’ve ever found yourself questioning the ongoing narrative of what is “social justice”, or if anything if this email has resonated with you on a level that you’ve never felt you’d be “allowed” to express publicly, you’re not alone. The current status of the sociopolitical climate is one where very stringent rules seems to exist about what can and what cannot be said. It's time to recognize that these rules have been manipulated by a network of psychopaths who use accusations of bigotry as a silencing tool.

This email is an attempt to begin communication and connect those who may feel the same way as many others- that's a time a public voice spoke out against the monopolization of what is considered "social justice." There's no pressure of any kind with this email- reply or not as you wish. Replying won't add you to any list or databank of anykind, and all emails are read personally by people of an MRA network in the United States. There is absolutely no illegal or underground facet to the network of any kind, yet we choose to stay anonymous and private- for now- due to likely public backlash. Indeed, all that's really needed is enough people to say the same thing on the same day. This is a reaching-out process to find said people. Let us know how you feel about this! Again, rest assured that this will remain 100% confidential- our networks and communications are protecting by an extraordinarily strong protection program, written by individuals with experience in intelligence work.

Please refer before speaking to any other about this email, although you were not the only staff at your university to receive one.

Thank you.
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Morning all.

I've only just seen this account.

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Love the bio...and the pinned tweet.
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They're randomly sending emails to members of the public but expect it to stay private?

Bizarre.
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HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018 ... -sheffield


Housing crisis: 15,000 new Manchester homes and not a single one 'affordable'
And
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... ing-crisis" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

May wrong to blame housing crisis on councils, says LGA
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -tory-peer" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Target wealthy baby boomers, says Tory peer
Lord Willetts pushes measures to prevent a 15p rise in income tax being imposed on the younger generation
I think we could distill this a little further:

"Target the wealthy".

Still, he makes a good point about how our economy has become dangerously skewed towards paper assets, with wealth being piled up in property that is not being adequately taxed and therefore isn't circulating in the economy to provide decent wages for those dependent on earned income. What he overlooks, however, is that this has been deliberate Tory policy for the last 8 years. And it's not about baby boomers at all, it's about the deliberate imbalance of taxation of asset wealth compared to earned income which has come about because of the influence on government policy the very wealthy can afford to buy.
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Good-morning, everyone
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Willow904 wrote:They're randomly sending emails to members of the public but expect it to stay private?

Bizarre.
I think it's not expected to stay private, exactly, just not openly, unashamedly broadcast
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HindleA wrote:There will be another one in a minute.
Indeed, try forming a stable government out of that mess :twisted:
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http://eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?b ... qus_thread" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The origins of the thinking (if that's what you can call it) on mutual recognition are obvious enough, the term having appeared in the Legatum Institute paper in November 2017......
.....Sources confirm the Mandelson view, saying that it was "unthinkable" that the basic thrust of the EU's position would be altered by the prime minister's words. Specifically, it will be made clear that the call for a mutual recognition of regulatory frameworks – as well as Swiss-style membership of EU agencies, including the European aviation safety agency - will not be possible with the UK outside the Single Market.
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Willow904 wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -tory-peer
Target wealthy baby boomers, says Tory peer
Lord Willetts pushes measures to prevent a 15p rise in income tax being imposed on the younger generation
I think we could distill this a little further:

"Target the wealthy".

Still, he makes a good point about how our economy has become dangerously skewed towards paper assets, with wealth being piled up in property that is not being adequately taxed and therefore isn't circulating in the economy to provide decent wages for those dependent on earned income. What he overlooks, however, is that this has been deliberate Tory policy for the last 8 years. And it's not about baby boomers at all, it's about the deliberate imbalance of taxation of asset wealth compared to earned income which has come about because of the influence on government policy the very wealthy can afford to buy.
Still, that a Tory - even an "outrider" like Willetts - is saying this has to be significant.

Its at least an inkling of recognition that the present state of things is not ultimately sustainable.
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https://www.irishtimes.com/business/tra ... 9?mode=amp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"UK-US Open Skies talks hit Brexit turbulence"
The US is offering Britain a worse “Open Skies” deal after Brexit than it had as an EU member, in a negotiating stance that would badly hit the transatlantic operating rights of British Airways, Virgin Atlantic and Norwegian Air.
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Hello, anybody out there? :?:
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https://www.conservativehome.com/platfo ... tions.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Lord Ashcroft: Capital Punishment? The Conservatives and the 2018 London elections
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https://www.gov.uk/government/consultat ... ation-2018" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Open consultation

Low Pay Commission consultation 2018


year’s consultation contains extra questions to help us with two extra strands of work. This year the LPC has been asked to look at a recommendation made in ‘Good work: the Taylor review of modern working practices’. We will be considering both the potential impact of a premium, i.e. a higher minimum wage, for those hours that are not ‘guaranteed’, as well as alternative means for tackling the issue of ‘one sided flexibility’, which is some workers experiencing uncertain and unpredictable work schedules.

Separately, we are also conducting a review of the minimum wage structure, encompassing: a review of the youth rates of the minimum wage, in light of changes over time in young peoples’ participation in work and education, and the introduction of the National Living Wage; and a review of the Apprentice Rate, in light of significant policy changes to apprenticeship policy in England.
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All the teary eyed British dream stuff of own home whilst targeting the sick/disabled for daring to have minimal vast cost saving support/investment to stay in theirs,sickening hypocrisy.
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As per Willets,easy fit we would be under the pay more thing,having an obvious shorter life seems to escape such musings.
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HindleA wrote:https://www.gov.uk/government/consultat ... ation-2018
Open consultation

Low Pay Commission consultation 2018

year’s consultation contains extra questions to help us with two extra strands of work. This year the LPC has been asked to look at a recommendation made in ‘Good work: the Taylor review of modern working practices’. We will be considering both the potential impact of a premium, i.e. a higher minimum wage, for those hours that are not ‘guaranteed’, as well as alternative means for tackling the issue of ‘one sided flexibility’, which is some workers experiencing uncertain and unpredictable work schedules.

Separately, we are also conducting a review of the minimum wage structure, encompassing: a review of the youth rates of the minimum wage, in light of changes over time in young peoples’ participation in work and education, and the introduction of the National Living Wage; and a review of the Apprentice Rate, in light of significant policy changes to apprenticeship policy in England.
I've been searching through the government, 'Find An Apprenticeship', website again, I do that periodically
Many of the requirements, skills and experience required are not appropriate for apprenticeship-level wages
These are full-time jobs paying £3.50 an hour, regardless of age, if a first-year apprentice
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Willow904 wrote:https://www.conservativehome.com/platfo ... tions.html
Lord Ashcroft: Capital Punishment? The Conservatives and the 2018 London elections
Need to be slightly careful of ramping up expectations here - some of us still remember 1990 well!
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Quite.

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Quite a few tweeting the contrasting Daily Mail treatments of May's speech today and Ed's remarkably similar proposals back in the day.......

FREE PRESS.
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Iain Duncan Smith tells Parliament "Cake exists to be eaten & cherries exist to be picked".
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It's not always "developers" who sit on land. The old builder's yard in our village was sold to a private equity firm. It had no intention of building the houses it got permission for as it wasn't a developer. The council was able to force the issue eventually when old buildings on the site became dangerous. As soon as it was sold on to a local builder the houses started to go up.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/dav ... andbanking" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Much landbanking polemic is aimed at property developers, but a report for the GLA on barriers to residential development in London, conducted by housing consultants Molior and published in December 2012, said that a very striking 45% of homes for which permission had been gained would not be built because the companies that had secured them were not actually in the building business. Owner-occupiers, historic land owners, government, investment funds and "'developers' who do not build," were listed. By contrast, developers genuinely in the business of building were found to be wanting to get on with it. "When accusations of landbanking are directed at builders, those accusations are misplaced," concluded the report.
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Remember "Property Ladder" on C4 with Sarah Beeny? She tried to advise budding property developers on how to add value. They often failed, with her wryly observing "you would have made the same if you'd not done anything at all because of the rising market".

It always made me chuckle but highlights a central truth - when homes become financial investments, priorities become skewed away from function (does it make as good home) to financial (does it make money). Our current crisis is a reflection of the complete dominance of the latter over the former. The reason the Tories can't fix this is because its the perfect embodiment of their philosophy in action. If houses are about profit (rather than homes) the market is functioning perfectly.
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Willow904 wrote:It's not always "developers" who sit on land. The old builder's yard in our village was sold to a private equity firm. It had no intention of building the houses it got permission for as it wasn't a developer. The council was able to force the issue eventually when old buildings on the site became dangerous. As soon as it was sold on to a local builder the houses started to go up.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/dav ... andbanking" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Much landbanking polemic is aimed at property developers, but a report for the GLA on barriers to residential development in London, conducted by housing consultants Molior and published in December 2012, said that a very striking 45% of homes for which permission had been gained would not be built because the companies that had secured them were not actually in the building business. Owner-occupiers, historic land owners, government, investment funds and "'developers' who do not build," were listed. By contrast, developers genuinely in the business of building were found to be wanting to get on with it. "When accusations of landbanking are directed at builders, those accusations are misplaced," concluded the report.
(cJA emphasis)

Why get permission to build, then? Am I missing something?
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Willow904 wrote:Remember "Property Ladder" on C4 with Sarah Beeny? She tried to advise budding property developers on how to add value. They often failed, with her wryly observing "you would have made the same if you'd not done anything at all because of the rising market".

It always made me chuckle but highlights a central truth - when homes become financial investments, priorities become skewed away from function (does it make as good home) to financial (does it make money). Our current crisis is a reflection of the complete dominance of the latter over the former. The reason the Tories can't fix this is because its the perfect embodiment of their philosophy in action. If houses are about profit (rather than homes) the market is functioning perfectly.
They're also never without somewhere to live
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citizenJA wrote:
Willow904 wrote:It's not always "developers" who sit on land. The old builder's yard in our village was sold to a private equity firm. It had no intention of building the houses it got permission for as it wasn't a developer. The council was able to force the issue eventually when old buildings on the site became dangerous. As soon as it was sold on to a local builder the houses started to go up.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/dav ... andbanking" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Much landbanking polemic is aimed at property developers, but a report for the GLA on barriers to residential development in London, conducted by housing consultants Molior and published in December 2012, said that a very striking 45% of homes for which permission had been gained would not be built because the companies that had secured them were not actually in the building business. Owner-occupiers, historic land owners, government, investment funds and "'developers' who do not build," were listed. By contrast, developers genuinely in the business of building were found to be wanting to get on with it. "When accusations of landbanking are directed at builders, those accusations are misplaced," concluded the report.
(cJA emphasis)

Why get permission to build, then? Am I missing something?
Land with permission is worth more than without. It has a paper value that can be treated as an asset (perhaps to borrow against) but unlike actual property requires little maintenance and unlike a site under construction can be sold on relatively easily.

May is muddling land and property speculation with land and property development, blaming the latter for the sins of the former and ignoring the fact that neither are in the business of letting and therefore can't solve the problems caused by a lack of secure, long term, low cost leases. Only rent reforms and council/social house building can tackle that side of the problem.
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There's been some superb replies to this pile of crud.

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And this retweet...
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Crace !

/2018/mar/05/theresa-may-brexit-five-laws-of-maybotics-northern-ireland-border

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Willow904 wrote:---
Land with permission is worth more than without. It has a paper value that can be treated as an asset (perhaps to borrow against) but unlike actual property requires little maintenance and unlike a site under construction can be sold on relatively easily.
---
(cJA edit)

Ah, yes, thank you. It's all very well, wealthy investors peoples, collecting your money and assets like collectibles, nice hobby, but people have to live and work in the world you're using for sport.

edited to clarify I wasn't referring to you, Willow904 or anyone else here
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Theresa May says the border between the US and Canada is a fab model for the UK and Ireland.
It's a hard border, an armed guard border, the US-Canadian one.
I wrote yesterday Tory government are making fools out of themselves with their ideas.
What are they thinking?
Where's this going?
Does anyone else think they're waiting for some end point they see ahead or are they just floundering?
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"We would know where we were going once we got there."
- Crace, translating Maybot
I need to know where we're going before that though
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citizenJA wrote:Theresa May says the border between the US and Canada is a fab model for the UK and Ireland.
It's a hard border, an armed guard border, the US-Canadian one.
I wrote yesterday Tory government are making fools out of themselves with their ideas.
What are they thinking?
Where's this going?
Does anyone else think they're waiting for some end point they see ahead or are they just floundering?
I liked the point somebody made, to really hammer home what it would mean in Ireland, that it was a hard border with armed guards and flags.

I suspect the stuff the EU are going to publish tomorrow will start to seriously nail down exactly what our stage one agreement actually means and what it definitely doesn't mean.
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citizenJA wrote:
"We would know where we were going once we got there."
- Crace, translating Maybot
I need to know where we're going before that though
Zen navigation (a la Dirk Gentley / Douglas Adams) - find somebody who looks like they know where they're going and follow them. The leading leave campaigners have always given a strong impression of knowing where they are going. They just haven't noticed that all of their routes come to dead ends. (The French, you know, have no word for culdesac).
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I’ve walked the Irish border – Brexiters are trampling on fragile territory
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frog222 wrote:Crace !

/2018/mar/05/theresa-may-brexit-five-laws-of-maybotics-northern-ireland-border

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... and-border" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Fair play, he has been on a roll lately.
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Goodnight, everyone
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