Wednesday 7th March 2018

Post by **refitman** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 7:09 am

Morning all.

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 9:00 am

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... s-obituary" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"Trevor Baylis obituary"

Trevor Baylis, who has died aged 80, is best known for being the inventor of the wind-up radio, but he also created hundreds of other devices, including many to help people with disabilities. He liked to proclaim: “I don’t do things because I want to do good; I do things because I like to show off.”

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 9:23 am

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/03/0 ... it_update/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"Half the world warned 'Chinese space station will fall on you '
Except you there in the UK: you've got no chance of catching Tiangong-1 debris"
E.T.A 29th March to 9th April. I may need to invest in a higher grade tin-foil hat.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 10:12 am

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... referendum" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tories seek to block move to reveal donations to DUP in EU referendum

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 11:32 am

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/po ... emy-corbyn" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Veteran activist and senior Momentum official Christine Shawcroft claimed "major trade unions are actively opposed" to the party's rank-and-file members.

Her salvo came as part of the increasingly-bitter battle to become Labour's new general secretary.

I'm not sure Labour is going to be able to beat the Tories with membership subscriptions alone. And there are worse places to get donations from than the representatives of ordinary working people, surely?
I've been trying to ignore this whole wrangle over the election of a new general secretary, but it's proving more and more difficult as we seem to have a situation where "Corbyn supporters" are fighting among themselves. Starting to feel like a cliche. I had hoped such left wing factionalism was a bit of a myth.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 11:53 am

Picking up Tweets from my MP Thelma Walker about something called 'Bold Beginnings' which sounds like a rather traditional approach to Reception teaching.

Anyone got any more insight into this?

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 11:56 am

Must be nearly time for PMQs

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 12:22 pm

Willow904 wrote:https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/po ... emy-corbyn
Veteran activist and senior Momentum official Christine Shawcroft claimed "major trade unions are actively opposed" to the party's rank-and-file members.

Her salvo came as part of the increasingly-bitter battle to become Labour's new general secretary.
I'm not sure Labour is going to be able to beat the Tories with membership subscriptions alone. And there are worse places to get donations from than the representatives of ordinary working people, surely?
I've been trying to ignore this whole wrangle over the election of a new general secretary, but it's proving more and more difficult as we seem to have a situation where "Corbyn supporters" are fighting among themselves. Starting to feel like a cliche. I had hoped such left wing factionalism was a bit of a myth.

It'd be good to know more detail on what she meant by this --

" Nothing would induce me to support a candidate from a major trade union, they stick it to the rank and file members time after time after time."

I've known of French unionists in the pockets of management, and some of the big US ones have been noted for graft, so what is the British situation ?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 12:27 pm

Shawcroft has been promptly put in her place by Momentum, this one is a complete non-starter (just as much as when stray Blairites have floated it)

Post by **adam** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 12:44 pm

I look forward to being told again that the EU's continually consistent guidelines on the future are 'just an opening position in a negotiation'.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 12:55 pm

https://inews.co.uk/news/benefit-change ... ssion=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Benefit changes force 75,000 disabled people to give up their adapted cars

A possible option reminder ie.limiting mobility/independence,regardless.PIP is a proxy for the extra costs so a hit in general.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 12:59 pm

Not a moot point,the tactic is for contingental"service replacement"at best for particularity thus undermining the whole purpose/basis/philosophy to choose as you wish.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 1:02 pm

Gov's play it both ways of course.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 1:17 pm

If only they had read their own impact assessments regarding increased risk of
homelessness,subject to impossible behaviourial change.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 1:20 pm

frog222 wrote:
Willow904 wrote:https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/po ... emy-corbyn
Veteran activist and senior Momentum official Christine Shawcroft claimed "major trade unions are actively opposed" to the party's rank-and-file members.

Her salvo came as part of the increasingly-bitter battle to become Labour's new general secretary.
I'm not sure Labour is going to be able to beat the Tories with membership subscriptions alone. And there are worse places to get donations from than the representatives of ordinary working people, surely?
I've been trying to ignore this whole wrangle over the election of a new general secretary, but it's proving more and more difficult as we seem to have a situation where "Corbyn supporters" are fighting among themselves. Starting to feel like a cliche. I had hoped such left wing factionalism was a bit of a myth.
It'd be good to know more detail on what she meant by this --

" Nothing would induce me to support a candidate from a major trade union, they stick it to the rank and file members time after time after time."

I've known of French unionists in the pockets of management, and some of the big US ones have been noted for graft, so what is the British situation ?

My husband is with Unite and they seem pretty useless. I wonder if employee share offers have had an impact. Reducing pay and conditions is the easiest way to increase dividends. Can't help but wonder if some union officials have a bit of a conflict of interest as a result, as higher wages could effect share price.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 1:20 pm

HindleA wrote:https://inews.co.uk/news/benefit-change ... ssion=true

Benefit changes force 75,000 disabled people to give up their adapted cars

That will help them to integrate into wider society, of course. What clowns come up with this stuff?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 1:22 pm

Though I doubt if it would make a difference,"our Esther" or staff suggested working more hours to cover shortfall despite not being able to/expected to work at all.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 1:22 pm

This amused me

Tom Newton Dunn@tnewtondunn
1 hour ago
“British military advisers are directing the war,” claims Jeremy Corbyn on Yemen. This is pretty close to a direct libel on UK military personnel, and an astounding comment for a wannabe PM #PMQs

Some respondents asked how Corbyn could possibly have access to this knowledge.

Some others helpfully linked to an article in the Telegraph where it was quite clear that British military advisers have indeed been working with the Saudi military in Yemen!

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 1:25 pm

There are more and better responses now. Here's the thread

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citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 1:27 pm

Good-afternoon, everyone

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 1:28 pm

"In fairness to those with no mobility problems who don't have a car"

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 1:47 pm

Constance nursing a hangover.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 1:48 pm

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/u ... melessness" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PMQs review: Jeremy Corbyn exposes the Conservatives' failure on homelessness

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 1:50 pm

Far from just "neglect"of course,obvious consequence of policies.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 1:52 pm

Most of current rough sleepers won't be about in '27.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 1:54 pm

RIP the New Musical Express. Though in reality of course, it had been on life support for some time.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 1:56 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/ ... c-magazine" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 1:58 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... ce=Twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Brexit: Euroclear confirms headquarters move from London to Brussels

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 2:42 pm

HindleA wrote:Most of current rough sleepers won't be about in '27.

It's likely those losing their transportation won't be around then either

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 2:49 pm

'If we could bequeath one precious gift to posterity, I would choose a society in which there is genuine compassion for long-term sick and disabled people; where understanding is unostentatious and sincere; where needs come before means; where if years cannot be added to their lives, at least life can be added to their years; where the mobility of disabled people is restricted only by the bounds of technical progress and discovery; where they have the fundamental right to participate in industry and society according to ability; where socially preventable distress is unknown; and where no one has cause to be ill at ease because of his or her disability."

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 3:05 pm

"Peanut butter wars'

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 3:09 pm

https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/11696" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Poverty and low pay in the UK: the state of play and the challenges ahead

IFS

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 3:24 pm

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/review-s ... trk=v-feed" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

REVIEW OF SOCIAL CARE

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 3:48 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018 ... e-property" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

We said it wasn't acceptable': how Bristol is standing up to developers
With little social housing and a property price explosion, campaigners and councillors are taking back control

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 4:17 pm

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018 ... e-property

We said it wasn't acceptable': how Bristol is standing up to developers
With little social housing and a property price explosion, campaigners and councillors are taking back control

This sort of thing is happening more and more. Change from below, often the only effective kind.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 5:25 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43312158" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Stormy Daniels sues Trump over 'hush agreement'

It seems Stormy Daniels has decided fame is more attractive (and possibly more lucrative) than one off hush money.

Bonnylad · Post by **Bonnylad** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 6:37 pm

Willow904 wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43312158
Stormy Daniels sues Trump over 'hush agreement'
It seems Stormy Daniels has decided fame is more attractive (and possibly more lucrative) than one off hush money.

Could get interesting- " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 7:24 pm

Theresa May lecturing Corbyn about "mansplaining", apparently.

Satire is (again) dead.

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 9:43 pm

Some good news to finish the day ? --

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howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 9:50 pm

Evening

If Paul is about, I just wondered if he had been keeping an eye on the football tonight - I think Wolves have just squeaked past Leeds on aggregate this season......

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 10:25 pm

howsillyofme1 wrote:Evening

If Paul is about, I just wondered if he had been keeping an eye on the football tonight - I think Wolves have just squeaked past Leeds on aggregate this season......

Bugger off

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 10:25 pm

frog222 wrote:Some good news to finish the day ? --

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He won't like that one bit

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 10:53 pm

Goodnight, everyone
love,
cJA

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 11:31 pm

Owen Jones was raising a glass on twitter, but I'm not on twitter...which is probably for the best, so I thought I'd raise a glass to these scumbags being jailed here

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ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Wed 07 Mar, 2018 11:50 pm

SALISBURY, England (Reuters) - A nerve agent was used to deliberately poison a former Russian double agent and his daughter, Britain's top counter-terrorism officer said on Wednesday, in a case that threatens to further damage London's ties with Moscow.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/br ... ar-BBJYtMZ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Thu 08 Mar, 2018 12:17 am

And let's not forget that these 'Britain first' criminals are the people Trump was using as a source.

So on one side of us we have the United States with a President tweeting idiocy from now convicted criminals guilty of race hate crimes.

And on the other side we have Russia run by gangster thugs using a nerve agent to not just poison an ex spy on our soil, but also his daughter and now it turns out a British police officer.

Seems an absolutely wonderful time to heading out onto those international waters alone doesn't it? They look totally calm and completely iceberg free, so the HMS OhFuckWe'reReallyDoingThis will no doubt have an utterly splendid maiden voyage and not hit anything at all.