Friday 9th March 2018

Post by **refitman** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 7:12 am

Morning all.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 7:28 am

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... -in-return" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

NHS staff set to win 6.5% pay rise but must forfeit day's holiday in return

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 7:32 am

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... cups-waste" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tories lambasted for rejecting 'latte levy' on takeaway coffee cups

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 8:27 am

Good thread on why Liam Fox is a *****

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***** choose your own insult

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 8:29 am

Miserable night for the Tories in by-elections

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 8:32 am

If I've got it right we have

2 x Lab gain from Tory
2 x Ind gain from Tory
1 x Lib gain from Tory
1 x Ind gain from Lab
2 x Lab hold

but wait for the proper round up later

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 8:34 am

Yes that's right. Tories were defending 5 seats last night and lost them ALL

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 9:50 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Good thread on why Liam Fox is a *****

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***** choose your own insult

is 'a real Liam Fox' insulting enough?

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 10:00 am

tinybgoat wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Good thread on why Liam Fox is a *****

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***** choose your own insult
is 'a real Liam Fox' insulting enough?

Fair point!

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 10:10 am

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... -in-return

NHS staff set to win 6.5% pay rise but must forfeit day's holiday in return

Whose idea was that I wonder, losing a day's holiday. It's as if they just have to go the extra mile for meanness.
I wouldn't say 6.5% over 3 years is generous in the first place.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 10:24 am

Brexit is a cover up by UK Government for failures to tackle other issues, warns business chief
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 45306.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Government must focus on fixing the basics, including improving roads, railways and airports, boosting housing supply and simplifying the immigration system, he will tell the BCC annual conference.

Those who suggest that the solution to poor procurement and questionable outsourcing decisions by government is the wholesale nationalisation of entire swathes of the economy must also be challenged.
"Facing down the superficially seductive argument for nationalisation won't be easy - but it's vital to the future success of communities and prosperity all across the UK."

I'd say, if the business community want that infrastructure, they need Labour in govt, and a bit of nationalisation at the margin will be a small price to pay.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 11:06 am

https://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2018 ... n-red.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tangled up in red

Mainlymacro

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 11:07 am

[youtube]YwSZvHqf9qM[/youtube]

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 11:08 am

HindleA wrote:https://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2018 ... n-red.html

Tangled up in red

Mainlymacro

Eternal pudding

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 11:31 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:If I've got it right we have

2 x Lab gain from Tory
2 x Ind gain from Tory
1 x Lib gain from Tory
1 x Ind gain from Lab
2 x Lab hold

but wait for the proper round up later

Confirmed, and several of the Tory losses were unexpected.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 11:34 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:If I've got it right we have

2 x Lab gain from Tory
2 x Ind gain from Tory
1 x Lib gain from Tory
1 x Ind gain from Lab
2 x Lab hold

but wait for the proper round up later
Confirmed, and several of the Tory losses were unexpected.

I'm so hoping this continues through to May!

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 11:34 am

I meant the month, but could be read the other way too

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 12:22 pm

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 12:26 pm

Pre-gin shrivelled PF there in happier times.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 12:27 pm

This year's elections will be bad for the Tories, but the way things are going 2019 could be utter carnage.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 12:34 pm

If you avoided work for the first six hours how can it be described as a day off.The "reversal' thing is confusing ie.morning when evening,dinner when midnight etc.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 12:50 pm

"Buddy" currently in the lead over "pal" with "bro(ther) some way back in third

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 12:54 pm

https://www.smartsurvey.co.uk/s/CSAsurvey/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Big Social Care Survey

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 12:57 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/ ... say-labour" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tories have cost households £1,000 in energy bills, say Labour
Labour says extra costs could have been avoided if Conservative government had intervened earlier to stop suppliers raising prices

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 1:15 pm

Have to wear a hi-vis,though no pretend brick laying thus far.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 1:20 pm

#WriteAPoemAboutBBCQT

is quite good

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 1:42 pm

Good-afternoon, everyone

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 1:48 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/ ... ok-out-for" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Paralympics 2018: 10 potential highlights at the Winter Games

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 1:53 pm

Kim Jong Un and Donald Trump meeting
They'll become friends and tour together

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 1:55 pm

That's fine with me
Keep them both out of trouble
I'll even buy their book

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 2:28 pm

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 4:29 pm

Bleeding PF attention seeking again typical.

Post by **refitman** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 4:57 pm

This is depressing, but illuminating.

http://www.coppolacomment.com/2018/03/t ... onics.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 5:03 pm

https://skwawkbox.org/2018/03/09/no-10- ... -attended/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

no-10-refuses-to-say-how-long-rough-sleeping-task-force-met-or-how-many-attended

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 5:29 pm

They've been pretty successful in recreating what was to all intents and purposes pretty much eliminated,to be fair.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 5:36 pm

https://labour.org.uk/press/jeremy-corb ... onference/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Corbyn speech to Scottish Conference

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 6:19 pm

https://www.alternet.org/sites/default/ ... zpp0-w.png" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.alternet.org/world/america- ... -pipelines" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Vast reserves of energy , geostrategy, oil and gas pipelines, Nafeez Ahmed on form !

EDIT : plus a section on the history of nuclear strategies ... and future possibilities ...

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 6:21 pm

HindleA wrote:Bleeding PF attention seeking again typical.

Off she goes - Monaco! I talked her out of a flight to Ephemerid, she sends her love.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 6:23 pm

HindleA wrote:https://labour.org.uk/press/jeremy-corb ... onference/

Corbyn speech to Scottish Conference

Thanks I enjoyed it.

This paragraph jumped out at me

It’s striking that Theresa May’s only clear priority when she laid out her new Brexit negotiating position last week seemed to be to tie the UK permanently to EU rules, which are used to drive privatisation and block support for British industry.

I know Corbyn is often challenged on this issue and I'm not qualified to really know, but it is an interesting analysis.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 7:03 pm

refitman wrote:This is depressing, but illuminating.

http://www.coppolacomment.com/2018/03/t ... onics.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The financial complexity of businesses is utterly bewildering. I don't think it should be so convoluted and opaque.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 7:20 pm

HindleA wrote:https://labour.org.uk/press/jeremy-corb ... onference/

Corbyn speech to Scottish Conference

"...Theresa May has now admitted, under her plans for a reckless Tory Brexit the UK risks losing access to European markets. Make no mistake about it, reduced access to European markets means fewer economic opportunities for people in the UK.

This is why we need a Labour government to take the reins from the free market ideologues who want to use Brexit to sign a race-to-the-bottom trade deal with Trump’s America and turn the UK into a deregulated offshore tax haven. And instead take the new common sense into the heart of government and help bring about a society that truly does work for all. Labour is the only party focusing on the issues that matter to people in their everyday lives, and the only party committed to putting power back into every community in the UK.

When it comes to Brexit Labour’s priorities have been clear from the outset. We will fight for a deal that puts jobs and living standards first."

Post by **refitman** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 7:22 pm

citizenJA wrote:
refitman wrote:This is depressing, but illuminating.

http://www.coppolacomment.com/2018/03/t ... onics.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The financial complexity of businesses is utterly bewildering. I don't think it should be so convoluted and opaque.

I had no idea we were technically insolvent on at least 1 occasion.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 7:30 pm

refitman wrote:
citizenJA wrote:
refitman wrote:This is depressing, but illuminating.

http://www.coppolacomment.com/2018/03/t ... onics.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The financial complexity of businesses is utterly bewildering. I don't think it should be so convoluted and opaque.
I had no idea we were technically insolvent on at least 1 occasion.

your position necessitated knowing whether it was or not
I'd feel betrayed, conned, if it were me
apologies if I've misunderstood

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 7:34 pm

"Added to the prospects of both economic and constitutional crises the government’s dangerous risking of peace in Northern Ireland offering no clear alternative to a hard border on the island as it refuses to consider the option of a customs union shows why a Labour government is needed so badly to steer the negotiations in a sensible direction.

Because as well as being a democratic socialist Party Labour is also an internationalist Party.

We realise that the great problems of our age: fighting for people’s rights and living standards against the power of international capital; ending the incessant destruction of our climate and our natural world; clamping down on rich tax dodgers who hide their excessive wealth and refuse to pay their way; and defending international human rights that have been fought for and defended by people on the ground for generations.

These are problems which individual nations cannot deal with alone."

https://labour.org.uk/press/jeremy-corb ... onference/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Do read the entire speech

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 7:37 pm

Corbyn's speech is detailed and coherent regarding Brexit
I'm reassured

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 9:26 pm

Why does it always go quiet on here around this time these days?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 10:15 pm

where's tinyclanger2?
It's disco night

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 10:16 pm

Goodnight, everyone
love,
cJA

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 09 Mar, 2018 10:32 pm

citizenJA wrote:where's tinyclanger2?
It's disco night

Have they been posting recently?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 10 Mar, 2018 6:15 am

Excuse musings.I was the runt of the family,barely survived,thankfully the widespread support for eugenicism had rescinded.Worringly it is on the ascendence again,not always obvious or clearly stated but when you get people trying to end their own relatives lives on their projected "quality of life" reasons-I must assume genuinely held though the oft repeated line of I would rather die if x disappears if x occurs in my thirty five years employment and personal experience I would bear that in mind in thinking about assisted dying or State sanctioning of killing,which it is.