Saturday 17th & Sunday 18th March 2018

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 2:54 pm

Here!

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 2:56 pm

Hence my concerns about the bemoanment of paying a few pounds via CT increases.What do we do,wait for a change in Government or continue to bemoan,making it less likely Councils will use that method to raise revenue?I'll leave it there.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 3:09 pm

HindleA wrote:Hence my concerns about the bemoanment of paying a few pounds via CT increases.What do we do,wait for a change in Government or continue to bemoan,making it less likely Councils will use that method to raise revenue?I'll leave it there.

The current council tax increases being levied on those less well-off is spent on the Tory PCC's private stylist and not on social care provision
How much clearer do you need this?
I can't afford to volunteer all my time fixing Tory-caused destitution and decimation

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 3:12 pm

HindleA wrote:...continue to bemoan,making it less likely Councils will use that method to raise revenue?

(cJA edit)

95% of all local authorities have increased council tax

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 3:15 pm

Less likely to use that avenue of revenue generation? No. Tory government have seen to it those with little will pay for tax breaks given to those with more than they can use in a lifetime

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 3:23 pm

Homelessness minister: I don’t know why rough sleeper numbers are up

Heather Wheeler says she does not believe welfare reform and council cuts are factors
(Guardian)

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... sing-first

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 3:26 pm

PorFavor wrote:
Homelessness minister: I don’t know why rough sleeper numbers are up

Heather Wheeler says she does not believe welfare reform and council cuts are factors
(Guardian)
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... sing-first

"Heather Wheeler said she did not accept the suggestion that welfare reforms and council cuts had contributed to the rise."

'I don't accept that'
good lord

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 3:35 pm

“And I regret to say that the problem with the supply of affordable housing in England is much, much, much larger than Scotland. I find it fascinating that there is no private-sector rental used at all to place people up here – it’s all local authority and housing association, because you have supply.”

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... sing-first" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

From the same article

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 3:39 pm

The thing about having a Tory government is that it's not a Labour government. Depending upon people to rock up and supply everything a Tory government has evaporated isn't a reasonable expectation.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 3:41 pm

oh, joy
new d'Ancona article
looks hilarious

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... tin-russia" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 3:47 pm

Minimally,even that bemoaned,it was alloweable for a.specific reason.The question as to how to attend,in the meantime was left unanswered.Definately end.Enlightened self interest probably a longer or fruitless wait,it seems.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 4:01 pm

John McDonnell has been sharing this slide, which shows just how bad the Tories continuing austerity is going to be.

In this model, the poorest are going to be truly hammered, whereas the richest will actually gain.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 4:19 pm

And only part of the overall picture,outwith/tangental having financial implications.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 4:27 pm

'Both' ways -increased personal and otherwise accounting for costs.A situation doesn't change by pretending it doesn't exist/"choice" portrayals.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 5:41 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/educa ... 62231.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Andria Zafirakou wins $1m as she is named world's best teacher for work at school in one of UK's most deprived areas

Ms Zafirakou, accepting her award, said: “The community where I teach in Brent is beautifully diverse and indeed is one of the most multicultural communities in the world.”

She added: “It is also a community where many of our students unfortunately live in challenging circumstances. They have tough lives.

“What is amazing, is whatever issues they are having at home, whatever is missing from their life or causing them pain, our school is theirs.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 5:46 pm

Computers may one day become advanced reasoning machines. In some ways they already have. But they will never be smarter versions of human beings, and this is why
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/art ... 61856.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Unlike us they may not engineer themselves out of existence.
I've said it before, and I can guarantee I'll say it again: sapiens my arse

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 8:14 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:
Computers may one day become advanced reasoning machines. In some ways they already have. But they will never be smarter versions of human beings, and this is why
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/art ... 61856.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Unlike us they may not engineer themselves out of existence.
I've said it before, and I can guarantee I'll say it again: sapiens my arse

You might as well break the silence, and say it again now . . .

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 8:15 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:
Computers may one day become advanced reasoning machines. In some ways they already have. But they will never be smarter versions of human beings, and this is why
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/art ... 61856.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Unlike us they may not engineer themselves out of existence.
I've said it before, and I can guarantee I'll say it again: sapiens my arse

My son has been cheekily enjoying revising his Spanish reflexive verbs, because most of them end in arse

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 8:17 pm

TheGrimSqueaker@AndyLucia
1 hour ago

Blimey, Putin reelected. Did not see that one coming.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 8:18 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:
Computers may one day become advanced reasoning machines. In some ways they already have. But they will never be smarter versions of human beings, and this is why
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/art ... 61856.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Unlike us they may not engineer themselves out of existence.
I've said it before, and I can guarantee I'll say it again: sapiens my arse
My son has been cheekily enjoying revising his Spanish reflexive verbs, because most of them end in arse

Grassyarse for that!

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 8:23 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesig ... n-pictures" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Nice

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 8:23 pm

sapiens

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 8:24 pm

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 8:24 pm

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 8:25 pm

No intermission?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 8:28 pm

Pearl and Dean? HindleA's Moghul Palace?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 8:28 pm

Hindle was to busy smoking A fag
[youtube]uzPZfz3IgcM[/youtube]

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 8:30 pm

[youtube]CCo1Ffn9_u8[/youtube]

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 8:33 pm

Ah - Dunlop electric underwear. Those were the days.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 8:35 pm

[youtube]y3KEhWTnWvE[/youtube]

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 8:39 pm

Couldn't abide Mary Hopkin. Promoted and signed by the Beatles (Apple) if I remember aright. Inexplicable.

Edited to add -

I listened to the link anyway - thanks.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 8:39 pm

Am with you

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 8:39 pm

(on that)

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 8:47 pm

I love that Pearl & Dean music.

I've noticed over the years that, probably coincidentally, the same bombastic style is found in the wonderful 'Water No Get Enemy' by Fela Kuti

[youtube]IQBC5URoF0s[/youtube]

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 8:58 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:I love that Pearl & Dean music.

I've noticed over the years that, probably coincidentally, the same bombastic style is found in the wonderful 'Water No Get Enemy' by Fela Kuti

[youtube]IQBC5URoF0s[/youtube]

They both put me in mind of city-scapes\traffic\black cabs (not the vocals, obviously). Probably the blaring of the horns (instrument-wise). Quite exciting.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 9:03 pm

@PF that's it

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 9:09 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:@PF that's it

At night - with the city lights and all. Forgot to say that. Integral part of my mental picture!

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 9:18 pm

This just made me howl

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 9:22 pm

At least it's an improvement on the hat she had on the other day!

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 9:23 pm

I may sign off soon for the evening.

Just to say thanks for, I think, a signature weekend of robust debate and good humour (interspersed with my comments) from FTN

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 9:25 pm

And thank you, too. Have a good (snowless?) night.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 9:25 pm

That one?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 9:27 pm

Yes - that one.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 9:30 pm

Night night.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 9:31 pm

An amazing fact in the middle of an article

Although fishing is only 0.05% of UK GDP

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... chael-gove" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 9:38 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:[youtube]CCo1Ffn9_u8[/youtube]

This makes me want to eat a Cornetto and watch adverts for local shoe shops then a film about dinosaurs and exploding volcanoes.

Post by **adam** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 10:02 pm

Sky'sGoneOut wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:[youtube]CCo1Ffn9_u8[/youtube]
This makes me want to eat a Cornetto and watch adverts for local shoe shops then a film about dinosaurs and exploding volcanoes.

Whilst my friend Jonathan hides under his seat and, when my dad asks what the matter is, weakly calls out 'this is too much for me!'.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 10:14 pm

PorFavor wrote:Night night.

Good night, PorFavor

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 10:15 pm

Goodnight, everyone
love,
cJA

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Sun 18 Mar, 2018 10:25 pm

Anyway so it looks like the Russian state has, in all probability, used a neurotoxin ('military grade' no less, as opposed to the nice civilian neurotoxins) on British soil.

But we have absolutely no hard evidence of the culpability of Putin or his cronies, it's all circumstantial.

So should we:

A: Use what evidence we have to build a strong case using all agencies and methods at our disposal?

B: Shout 'The Russians did it' at the top of our voices and hope for the best?

Nobody could accuse me of being a Corbynista but it looks to me like he's opting for 'A', which to any outside observer would seem the sane option and yet he's taking an absolute kicking for it. And this will always happen when reason is faced with febrile patriotism unless a populace is still reeling from the effects of the last war caused by febrile patriotism. I admit I sometimes plumb the depths of Radio 5 and it was actually quite terrifying hearing the sheer number of morons (sorry, members of the public) a couple of days ago advocating some kind of war with Russia. I mean this is the kind of idiocy that could irradiate the whole fucking planet, all life could be eradicated because Bill from fucking Clacton on sea is incensed after reading his Daily Mail.

And the Tories are stoking it up for their own grubby political gain.

The Drake equation gives a guess as to how many intelligent species may be out there in our galaxy. The final part of which is 'L, the length of time over which such civilizations release detectable signals'. So far for us that's been just over a century. The average lifetime of ancient civilisations was about 350 years. I very much doubt we'll get anywhere near that.