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John Harris on the need for new style Unions.
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This is interesting. I don't have the time or expertise to really get into it, but it seems there were a few tiny errors in the theory behind benefits and size of family!

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Serial liar Boris Johnson asking today for unity against Russia from an EU he demonised with Fake News, fibbed about in the referendum and continues to ridicule is the chutzpah of an over-privileged oaf
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Good morfternoon.
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Twitter thread on Brexit attitudes. Seems about right:

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The John Curtice telling us about opinion polling on Brexit one year on. Summary: the public remains very much divided - leave and remain perspectives still poll at about 50% each on all questions asked. #Brexit1yeartogo
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Something to cheer us up.
‘They are our salvation’: the Sicilian town revived by refugees
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It's bloody snowing - again! I thought it was all meant to have gone away today.
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Willow904 wrote:Twitter thread on Brexit attitudes. Seems about right:

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The John Curtice telling us about opinion polling on Brexit one year on. Summary: the public remains very much divided - leave and remain perspectives still poll at about 50% each on all questions asked. #Brexit1yeartogo
9:40 am · 19 Mar 2018
From the thread
"is there too much equality for non-white people" is moving towards "yes"
Clearly too much equality is a thing now.
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A local story. At some point on Saturday evening we saw an emergency vehicle go past, blue flashing light and all, and then turn round in the close next to us and go back, this is v. v. unusual where we live, turns out it was to do with this.
Kildale Village Hall is about a mile away, someone unfamiliar with the area had taken a wrong turn.

More than 30 runners in 'hypothermic state’ rescued on North Yorkshire Moors
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The rescue team was alerted at 8pm when Yorkshire Ambulance Service requested help with more than 30 hypothermia cases at Kildale.

Cleveland Mountain Rescue Team set up in Great Ayton and deployed some team members to Kildale to liaise with the event organisers.

They reported around 100 competitors needing evacuation.

A spokesman for Cleveland Mountain Rescue Team said: “Our two Land Rover ambulances were sent to remote points on the route to help with competitors who were still running. A couple of team members in their personal 4x4 vehicles were then sent to Kildale to start moving some of the stranded runners.
Just to say, these people are completely mad, what were they thinking to go ahead with the race?
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Just got back from the school run. The school didn't open until 10.45am today because of overnight snow. All the roads and pavements around the school were completely cleared and it's melting pretty fast so hopefully we'll be back to normal soon.

@Porfavor: We haven't had a great deal of snow here but we've had more than enough for one year, as far as I'm concerned, so I feel your pain! It's March, for goodness sake. Enough already! :)
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Someone, PfY maybe, posted that fishing made up 0.05% of GDP?
If Scottish tories think it's a hill to die on they should read this.

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The last snowfall here led to the Bath half marathon being cancelled and the latest snowfall put paid to the inaugural Weston-Super-Mare half marathon. So lots of disappointed runners, but I think it's the only sensible option when conditions that weren't planned for pose extra risks. (Although I suppose snow in Yorkshire in March might have been anticipated and accounted for by organisers?!)
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Willow904 wrote:Just got back from the school run. The school didn't open until 10.45am today because of overnight snow. All the roads and pavements around the school were completely cleared and it's melting pretty fast so hopefully we'll be back to normal soon.

@Porfavor: We haven't had a great deal of snow here but we've had more than enough for one year, as far as I'm concerned, so I feel your pain! It's March, for goodness sake. Enough already! :)
I tend to over-react to our South Coast snow - we have it nowhere near as badly as other parts of the country. It rarely snows and, if it does, it even more rarely settles. However, this year we've had two lots of settling snow. Bit of a shock to the system!
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Willow904 wrote:@gilsey

The last snowfall here led to the Bath half marathon being cancelled and the latest snowfall put paid to the inaugural Weston-Super-Mare half marathon. So lots of disappointed runners, but I think it's the only sensible option when conditions that weren't planned for pose extra risks. (Although I suppose snow in Yorkshire in March might have been anticipated and accounted for by organisers?!)
Those races were round the town? This was over the top of the moors!
The Mountain Rescue spokesman did say they were well equipped, just as well or I think there'd have been fatalities.
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Bet that went down well with the Irish government - "shut up and go away" might be one response...

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Foreign sec who cannot recall decisions on a failed garden city project costing £46m. A homelessness minister who doesn't know why homelessness is rising. A defence secretary who says just shut up&go away to Russia. An education sec who says school funding is rising when it isn't.
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The last snowfall here led to the Bath half marathon being cancelled and the latest snowfall put paid to the inaugural Weston-Super-Mare half marathon. So lots of disappointed runners, but I think it's the only sensible option when conditions that weren't planned for pose extra risks. (Although I suppose snow in Yorkshire in March might have been anticipated and accounted for by organisers?!)
Those races were round the town? This was over the top of the moors!
The Mountain Rescue spokesman did say they were well equipped, just as well or I think there'd have been fatalities.
Yes, snow & ice on the roads wouldn't have been part of the risk assessment filed with the application to stage the races so they have little choice but to cancel, whereas some lying snow on the moors could be part of the usual risk assessment for a cross country race. Sounds to me like they were caught out by the unusually cold temperatures rather than just snow underfoot. Glad everyone seems to have been rescued OK.
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Jacob Rees-Mogg's firm invested in a blacklisted Russian bank. Sberbank is subject to sanctions by the US and EU (Reg. 833/2014.) The sanctions are for bombing civilians in Syria, hacking elections. Murdering people aboard holiday jets, or on our streets is unacceptable.
It's going to be interesting to see how far our media delve into the amount of Russian money floating around the UK, especially laundered money 'washed' via the housing market.
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From April 2002.
The Ministry of Defence turned large parts of the country into a giant laboratory to conduct a series of secret germ warfare tests on the public.
A government report just released provides for the first time a comprehensive official history of Britain's biological weapons trials between 1940 and 1979.

Many of these tests involved releasing potentially dangerous chemicals and micro-organisms over vast swaths of the population without the public being told.

While details of some secret trials have emerged in recent years, the 60-page report reveals new information about more than 100 covert experiments.
The report reveals that military personnel were briefed to tell any 'inquisitive inquirer' the trials were part of research projects into weather and air pollution.

The tests, carried out by government scientists at Porton Down, were designed to help the MoD assess Britain's vulnerability if the Russians were to have released clouds of deadly germs over the country.

In most cases, the trials did not use biological weapons but alternatives which scientists believed would mimic germ warfare and which the MoD claimed were harmless. But families in certain areas of the country who have children with birth defects are demanding a public inquiry.

One chapter of the report, 'The Fluorescent Particle Trials', reveals how between 1955 and 1963 planes flew from north-east England to the tip of Cornwall along the south and west coasts, dropping huge amounts of zinc cadmium sulphide on the population. The chemical drifted miles inland, its fluorescence allowing the spread to be monitored. In another trial using zinc cadmium sulphide, a generator was towed along a road near Frome in Somerset where it spewed the chemical for an hour.

While the Government has insisted the chemical is safe, cadmium is recognised as a cause of lung cancer and during the Second World War was considered by the Allies as a chemical weapon.

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On the trade deal thing -

It's almost as though the EU has done the exasperated parent thing and is saying "Ok, then. Off you go. See how that turns out for you. But remember that you've still, for now, got a home to come back to." At least I hope so.

Step forward Liam Fox. Although I'm under no illusion that he has our best interests at heart. And I'm including "Remainers" and "Brexiters" in that "our". Could actually turn out to be a good thing.
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Willow904 wrote: Yes, snow & ice on the roads wouldn't have been part of the risk assessment filed with the application to stage the races so they have little choice but to cancel, whereas some lying snow on the moors could be part of the usual risk assessment for a cross country race. Sounds to me like they were caught out by the unusually cold temperatures rather than just snow underfoot. Glad everyone seems to have been rescued OK.
It did snow all day but it was quite light so there wouldn't have been any deep snow underfoot apart from the odd drift. It was the wind chill that was the problem, it was really bad here over the weekend, and it had been forecast.
I think they just thought they were hard, which of course they are compared with normal people. :)
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PorFavor wrote:On the trade deal thing -

It's almost as though the EU has done the exasperated parent thing and is saying "Ok, then. Off you go. See how that turns out for you. But remember that you've still, for now, got a home to come back to." At least I hope so.

Step forward Liam Fox. Although I'm under no illusion that he has our best interests at heart. And I'm including "Remainers" and "Brexiters" in that "our". Could actually turn out to be a good thing.
A problem with this is that Tory government know this, they're relying upon it. It's not going to be them who'll experience any hardship in between UK going it on own and rejoining EU later.
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Howdy, everyone
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I mean, look and listen to Johnson
The dude has no shame, says what he likes, goes where he wants and dares the world to pull him up on any of it
So far, no one has cold-cocked him in response to his jackassery
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He can thank left-wingers for the non-violence
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citizenJA wrote:
PorFavor wrote:On the trade deal thing -

It's almost as though the EU has done the exasperated parent thing and is saying "Ok, then. Off you go. See how that turns out for you. But remember that you've still, for now, got a home to come back to." At least I hope so.

Step forward Liam Fox. Although I'm under no illusion that he has our best interests at heart. And I'm including "Remainers" and "Brexiters" in that "our". Could actually turn out to be a good thing.
A problem with this is that Tory government know this, they're relying upon it. It's not going to be them who'll experience any hardship in between UK going it on own and rejoining EU later.

Yes - but I'm rather hoping for a great public backlash which now may happen sooner rather than later.




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to move "now". It's been irritating me for some time, and I could stand it no longer.
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It looks like another exercise in kicking the contentious bits down the road.
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Of course, there's always the "that's confidential, but take my word for it, it'll be great" ploy . . .
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This is a good take on things...

Seven broken promises on transition- by Open Britain
The seven promises that were made were:

A transition period will be about ‘implementing’ the future relationship, not negotiating it
The UK will not pay money to the EU after March 2019
The UK will not have to abide by EU rules during transition
The UK will ‘take back control’ of fisheries policy
Free movement will end in March 2019
The UK will have new trade deals ready to come into force on 29 March 2019
The implementation period would last for two years and should not be time limited
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Thanks for the commentary on the EU stuff.

It's going to be quite hard to find folk who are happy with it (in the UK at least) it seems!
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Reading the transcript of David Davis remarks it strikes me that this another battle of the definite and indefinite articles. The UK is ready to sign up for 'a' backstop solution on Northern Ireland, but not necessarily 'the' backstop proposed in the EU's recent draft legal text.
1:23 PM - Mar 19, 2018 (Politics Live, Guardian)
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Coincidentally it was this time of year the West Lancs Half was cancelled in times of yore due to snow/weather,the carrier pigeon didn't reach me in time and I didn't find out until I was there.It was held the next week and of course the Sheffield Half officially was due to water delivery problems equally blissfully unaware until I saw it on the news after doing it(as many did)
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Barnier/Davis: "We have a deal." Sinn Fein: "The British PM has buckled on the Irish border." DUP: "Oh no she hasn't." Clear as mud. #Brexit
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Also people getting there or not,not just runners,vols etc.
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HindleA wrote:Also people getting there or not,not just runners,vols etc.
Vols is short for volunteers - or is there an "e" missing?
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"Another is that most proponents now acknowledge that any UBI introduced today would have to complement rather than replace existing benefits. While this makes it less attractive from the perspective of simplicity, it allays my fears that people without other means would be left worse off than now"

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How true is this?
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"Theresa May lost her majority in the 2017 election despite outspending Labour by more than £7m."

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Wouldn't necessarilly change my mind,contribution should still be fundamentally accounted for both ways,IMHO.
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I've just heard Boris Johnson (Sky TV News) affecting to have "forgotten what the question was" re the latest "Brexit" developments. So, having "forgotten the question", he then proceeded to give a general "sunny uplands" monologue.
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PorFavor wrote:
HindleA wrote:Also people getting there or not,not just runners,vols etc.
Vols is short for volunteers - or is there an "e" missing?
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HindleA wrote:Wouldn't necessarilly change my mind,contribution should still be fundamentally accounted for both ways,IMHO.
What counts towards contribution? Who does the accounting?
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I have voted to leave being the border of Northern Ireland. It is the will of me. During the transition period I will go on being the border of Northern Ireland and then I will be pretending to be a technological solution to myself by tweeting ferciously and ignoring smugglers.
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Tories head for record low in London local elections

Tory psephologist predicts Conservatives will be hit by big rise in Labour support

Conservative party support in London looks set to slump to a record low at the local elections on 3 May as the young, ethnically diverse electorate turns to Labour in increasing numbers.

Projections from the Tory peer and psephologist Robert Hayward indicate the Conservatives will lose about 100 council seats. (Guardian)
Here's hoping.

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