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Good news , that it exists at all ... bad news that there are thousands of evictions in the pipeline ...


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So a poll of party members find that they have more extreme views than their MPs?

Well, I'm shocked, shocked!

Pretty sure that's the case with every party that's ever existed...

Interesting timing for a poll. Getting worried about local elections maybe?

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Actually, most of the findings aren't even that noteworthy. That the Times felt the need to "sex up" the figures on the current AS controversy really does say it all.


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Yes, I've just seen this.

https://twitter.com/sjwrenlewis/status/ ... 4315629573

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The Times poll question has three options, two of which are true and entirely consistent with each other. This is not a good bit of polling.


Easy then to ignore option 2 and present only option 1.

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Thanks for the election round-up (which I've just read).


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Alan Sugar left the Labour party four days after the May 2015 GE


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I wasn't educated in the UK and there's people, processes and relationships I don't know about
Mr citizen continues teaching me background information related to current events
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---- Read some of Alan Sugar's biography
---- Researched Labour party membership dates of Alan Sugar
---- Watched about ten minutes of an episode of The Apprentice


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Alan Sugar joined the Labour party in 1997


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I've long been dismayed there's much regrettable about the Labour government(s) during 1997 - 2010. Nonetheless, Labour produced some genuinely good policy, properly funded some public services and had some lasting success internationally during this time. However, I understand better now the detrimental effect of good work neglected and bad policy cultivated.


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I had to ask Mr citizen if the expressions of shock and dismay over a contestant's seemingly unscheduled departure from the Apprentice before it's end were genuine. He explained a little about how 'reality television' is created. The form editing and presentation going on in the program renders content marketing, advertising. It's disingenuously presenting itself as something it's not.


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I seems Jess Philips wants Corbyn to exert overbearing influence on the Labour party, so she can have her way.

https://twitter.com/jessphillips/status ... 8296975361


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I advocate him stating his view and using his influence to seek her to resign. I advocate him saying that he cannot see how she can stay in a position of influence and power. I advocate him being more influential than any other member and using that influence to improve things https://t.co/1iAFR0HzJk


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I'm not trying to be funny or creative posting what I've done today, I'm trying to figure things out
Some questions and thoughts below

----Does a Labour peer remain a Labour peer after leaving the party?
----If a Labour party member feels bettered represented by another party, they're free to leave the Labour party and should do so
----It's inappropriate for a Labour party member remaining in the party after they've publicly decided their conscience can't allow them to vote or support Labour
----My views have altered as I've learned and will likely continue to evolve

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I seems Jess Philips wants Corbyn to exert overbearing influence on the Labour party, so she can have her way.

https://twitter.com/jessphillips/status ... 8296975361


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I advocate him stating his view and using his influence to seek her to resign. I advocate him saying that he cannot see how she can stay in a position of influence and power. I advocate him being more influential than any other member and using that influence to improve things https://t.co/1iAFR0HzJk


Actually, that one isn't so bad.

Originally - like many others of her ilk - she was disingenuously pretending that JC could just dismiss Shawcroft with a flick of his fingers.


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Terrible scenes in Israel-nations have right to defend borders but responses 2 violence must be proportionate. death and injuries of Gazans as well as those few protesters intent on harming Israeli civilians must be condemned & Egypt, hamas & Israel must work for peace together.
The people killed were in Gaza and refuses to condemn Israel.


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refitman wrote:
I seems Jess Philips wants Corbyn to exert overbearing influence on the Labour party, so she can have her way.

https://twitter.com/jessphillips/status ... 8296975361
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I advocate him stating his view and using his influence to seek her to resign. I advocate him saying that he cannot see how she can stay in a position of influence and power. I advocate him being more influential than any other member and using that influence to improve things https://t.co/1iAFR0HzJk
I don't agree with Phillips' position. She's asking for unnecessary, inappropriate extensions of Labour leader authority and boundaries.


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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
refitman wrote:
I seems Jess Philips wants Corbyn to exert overbearing influence on the Labour party, so she can have her way.

https://twitter.com/jessphillips/status ... 8296975361
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I advocate him stating his view and using his influence to seek her to resign. I advocate him saying that he cannot see how she can stay in a position of influence and power. I advocate him being more influential than any other member and using that influence to improve things https://t.co/1iAFR0HzJk

Actually, that one isn't so bad.

Originally - like many others of her ilk - she was disingenuously pretending that JC could just dismiss Shawcroft with a flick of his fingers.
Yes, I noted the carefully chosen words too


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It's not anti-Semitic criticising Israel and Israeli policy


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It's not anti-Semitic criticising Israel and Israeli policy


No it isn't, and that needs to be firmly stated now as much as any other time (if not more so)

But in a small but significant number of cases, that isn't what we are actually talking about.


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I see that Sugar has now deleted his tweet.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43604058

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He told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "I am afraid she is elected by our members. I am not in a position to remove her from the committee and neither is Jeremy."

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"Corbyn still cannot accept the reality that antisemitism has flourished under his leadership, often encouraged by his actions, and certainly by his inactions."

- Marina Hyde
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That's a stand-alone statement Hyde makes in her article. I'm not convinced it's true. There's nothing in the rest of the article credibly backing it up and haven't found reputable data supporting that statement.


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Well indeed the members are responsible,maybe more should engage brain.


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I see that Sugar has now deleted his tweet.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43604058

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Labour deputy leader Tom Watson said Ms Shawcroft should "explore her own conscience", adding that she needs to "realise the damage she has done to her own party and to Jeremy personally and make the right decision" about whether to resign.

He told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "I am afraid she is elected by our members. I am not in a position to remove her from the committee and neither is Jeremy."
The bit in bold I wrote up the thread responding to Phillips' tweet. Isn't it true?


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Both can be true - that he is not in a position to get rid of her but at the same time he could try and persuade her out.

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Both can be true - that he is not in a position to get rid of her but at the same time he could try and persuade her out.
Yes, agreed, not in a position to get her to leave, that's what I meant
I don't think it's a good idea giving Labour leadership more power to do so


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"All human history, you might say, is the story of people not knowing what lies around the corner. ...the art form that makes us most aware of this is the cinema."

-Ian Jack
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https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/brexit ... propaganda
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An interesting read for a variety of reasons. This, though, is just perfect in its understated simplicity:

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It's not a conspiracy, just that the ruling class are all related.


I might have to get it made into a bumper sticker!

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Anti-Semitism row official Christine Shawcroft quits Labour NEC


Ms Shawcroft will be replaced on the NEC by comedian Eddie Izzard.

In a statement announcing her resignation on Saturday night, she said: "I reaffirm my complete opposition to anti-Semitism and my abhorrence of Holocaust denial, and support all measures to tackle this within the party."

She added that she would "pledge my full energy to securing for our country the Labour government under Jeremy Corbyn that it so desperately needs." (BBC News website)


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43605840?ns_campaign=bbc_politics&ns_linkname=news_central&ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter


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Whoops! Sorry about that - I was busy over at the BBC. Did you catch it? (I was the silent, invisible one.)


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Whoops! Sorry about that - I was busy over at the BBC. Did you catch it? (I was the silent, invisible one.)


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Whoops! Sorry about that - I was busy over at the BBC. Did you catch it? (I was the silent, invisible one.)


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Got locked out after posting the above. I wonder who I blame for that . . .


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No - he's gone for the triple . . .


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https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... nt-pay-cap


Teachers' unions vote for strike action over government pay cap
Branches of NEU and NASUWT teachers’ unions move towards industrial action to lift 1% cap


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DWP and agents couldn't give a toss of course.A sort of accepted game they play.A rogue department which needs to be broken up.


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Good news re Shawcroft, despite her having no alternative I am still sorry about the abuse she has had to endure.


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"Labour Party 'not connected' to abusive anti-Jewish messages"
I think the article's been revised since I first read it, to include a link and mention of Sir David Garrard, and some rewording, but as well as being about anti-Semitism, it includes
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I'm fairly sure the original version the messages weren't concatenated (if that's the right word), and I can accept that calling Conservatives 'Nazis' might, in some contexts, be too extreme, but reporting this in combination with anti-Semitism seems a dangerous step.


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