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Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 7:24 am
by HindleA
Morning

https://nearlylegal.co.uk/2018/04/counc ... -whatever/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Councils behaving badly – Part whatever

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 7:28 am
by HindleA
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... get-scheme" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 8:44 am
by tinybgoat
https://www.politico.eu/article/ex-fbi- ... residency/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"Ex-FBI chief calls Trump ‘morally unfit’ for presidency"
Comey compared Trump to the mafia bosses he spent years prosecuting as a young public servant.
“I’m not trying to … suggest that President Trump is out breaking legs and, you know, shaking down shopkeepers,” Comey said, adding that the similarity was in what he saw as a culture of loyalty around the president. “The loyalty oaths, the boss as the dominant center of everything, it’s all about how do you serve the boss, what’s in the boss’ interests. It’s the family, the family, the family, the family.”
Bad leaders & policies get to break more than just legs.

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 8:45 am
by ScarletGas
Ladies & gentlemen, We have,today,the winner of the total lack of self awareness award for this, and maybe any other, year.

Andrew Pierce(won't link for obvious reasons) the doyen of reasoned and balanced discussion in the Daily Fascist and other right wing organs calls someone else "insufferably smug"

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 9:45 am
by HindleA
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/nati ... -offer-day" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 9:47 am
by HindleA
https://www.gov.uk/government/consultat ... statistics" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Open consultation

Changes to the Cold Weather Payments official statistics

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 9:56 am
by HindleA
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -114761881" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Segregating pupils with special educational needs leaves us all poorer
John Harris

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 9:59 am
by HindleA
https://nearlylegal.co.uk/2018/04/bedro ... f-drawers/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Bedroom Tax – the powers of the Tribunal and a sufficient chest of drawers

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 10:20 am
by HindleA
McVey justifying the rape clause,as a means of support.
(Scots Parl)

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 10:34 am
by AnatolyKasparov
HindleA wrote:McVey justifying the rape clause,as a means of support.
(Scots Parl)
And all those Tories claiming that she has been "demonised" :twisted:

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 10:46 am
by RogerOThornhill
Morning all.

Good explainer of the issues around the Windrush kids.

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Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 11:25 am
by citizenJA
RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all.

Good explainer of the issues around the Windrush kids.

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Yes, this was my understanding of the situation.
I hope my response to your post yesterday on this subject wasn't objectionable to you; it wasn't my intention when I wrote it.

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 11:25 am
by citizenJA
Good-morning, everyone

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 11:45 am
by RogerOThornhill
citizenJA wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all.

Good explainer of the issues around the Windrush kids.

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Yes, this was my understanding of the situation.
I hope my response to your post yesterday on this subject wasn't objectionable to you; it wasn't my intention when I wrote it.
Yes, I took great exception to it and went off in a huff... ;)

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 11:46 am
by citizenJA
Excellent
:rock:

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 12:00 pm
by citizenJA
The fees for each stage of UK settlement have increased significantly
:shock:

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 12:11 pm
by RogerOThornhill
Whoops...there's that reverse gear being applied...
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Downing Street says Prime Minister Theresa May will meet counterparts from Caribbean states to discuss concerns over the status of 'Windrush' generation immigrants

12:07 PM - 16 Apr 2018

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 12:17 pm
by citizenJA
Child born outside the UK to at least one British citizen is a British citizen
Prove it
Here
Evidence not robust - no proof of British citizenship. You must satisfactorily prove you are a British citizen.
I'm rather devastated by your response above at the moment...
You must satisfactorily prove you are a British citizen
My parent(s) are British citizens
You must satisfactorily prove you are a British citizen
:shock:

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 12:22 pm
by citizenJA
We'll not buy your innovative fruit preserves if you don't meet with us
Oh, damn it. Okay, we'll meet with you

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 12:24 pm
by RogerOThornhill
Now watch senior civil servants at the Home Office being pushed under a bus with politicians in charge saying "Hey, don't blame us we're not responsible!"

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 12:41 pm
by PorFavor
Whoops! Sorry, slight mistake. Never mind, eh? No harm done . . .
9m ago 12:30

According to Channel 4 News’s Cathy Newman, the immigration minister Caroline Nokes told her in an interview being broadcast tonight that some “Windrush generation” immigrants have been deported in error. (Politics Live, Guardian)

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 12:42 pm
by gilsey
Cathy Newman

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Immigration minister @carolinenokes apologises to #Windrush generation wrongly questioned over their right to stay in UK but tells me some have been deported in error. Watch full interview at 7 on @Channel4News

11:44 AM - Apr 16, 2018


***king hell.

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 12:43 pm
by gilsey
Snap!

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 12:58 pm
by ScarletGas
Who runs Britain?

The Guardian has been on the Windrush case for some time. Response from our beloved leaders. Ignore.


A petition is signed by (currently) 130000 ordinary citizens Response.Lets have a debate because we have to.Then ignore.

The Sun/Mail pick up on the story today. Response. Panic!

Dont tell me this is not a government run by a servants on behalf of a few tax avoiders who cant stand to live in this benighted country of ours!

Edited to add petition comments.

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 12:58 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
Does anyone actually believe "in error"?

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 1:03 pm
by PaulfromYorkshire
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Does anyone actually believe "in error"?
I don't.

Only "through sheer incompetence" will really do as an alternative to the more obvious racism.

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 2:14 pm
by citizenJA
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Does anyone actually believe "in error"?
No
People denied their rights as British citizens is horrifying
Any government changing rights, privileges and/or obligations retroactively violates a trust, throws rule of law right the hell out the window
You'll never know until you're informed of changes
Unacceptable

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 2:28 pm
by tinybgoat
https://www.politico.eu/article/eus-mil ... or-africa/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"How EU milk is sinking Africa’s farmers"

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 4:20 pm
by citizenJA
Mr. Speaker isn't called a Tory. He's in the Speaker party.

https://www.parliament.uk/biographies/c ... -bercow/17

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 4:36 pm
by PorFavor
18m ago 16:02

Rudd says that, if people have been in this country for decades, there will be proof of that. The Home Office will help “Windrush generation” applicants to find this evidence, she says. (Politics Live, Guardian)
The Home Office itself should be duty-bound to "find" this evidence and then share it with those affected (for their own retention and reference, in case it should be needed in future). Of course, if people want assistance in finding evidence for themselves (in the unikely event of their not trusting the Home Office) then - fine.

And why, if this "evidence" is so freely available, hasn't the Home Office done this already? Lack of will being the obvious answer.

I thought that David Lammy was excellent!

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 4:39 pm
by RogerOThornhill
Brass neck anyone?
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This is just an appalling situation. Having contributed to all aspects of our country for decades & proudly call Britain home, since when have our values changed to create this injustice?
:wall:

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 4:48 pm
by PorFavor
He [Jeremy Corbyn] says news reports have shown people at the bomb site in Douma without protective clothing. (Politics Live, Guardian)
Yes - I've been wondering about that, but didn't wish to appear foolish and\or ignorant. ("Too late!" I hear you all chorus.)

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 5:07 pm
by RogerOThornhill
And the next one please...
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.@TomTugendhat spot on about Windrush kids. The solution lies in formalising their status, not abandoning sensible policies to limit illegal immigration. But this is urgent: they’re Brits who have done nothing wrong, yet they’re being treated terribly.
I mean c'mon - it's not like he was at Theresa May's side at the Home office for years and then in No 10 is it? Oh...wait..

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 5:07 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
PorFavor wrote:
He [Jeremy Corbyn] says news reports have shown people at the bomb site in Douma without protective clothing. (Politics Live, Guardian)
Yes - I've been wondering about that, but didn't wish to appear foolish and\or ignorant. ("Too late!" I hear you all chorus.)
So he is a CONSPIRACY THEORIST as well, then?? :P

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 5:17 pm
by citizenJA
May refuses to commit to consulting parliament before any future air strikes against Syrian regime

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/bl ... df2fe47c0c" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 5:33 pm
by citizenJA
I admire Tories for one single thing
Publicly staying together
It's essential for maintaining leadership given the current party system in the UK

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 5:36 pm
by gilsey
This is from 2014.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... tion-group" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Thousands of migrants who have lived and worked legally in Britain for decades, in many cases having arrived in the country as children, are falling victim of the government’s more restrictive immigration laws, according to a report by the charity Legal Action Group.

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 6:37 pm
by citizenJA
The Conservative MP Steve Double thanks May in the Commons for not giving him responsibility for making the decision about airstrikes when he did not have access to the relevant intelligence. It was right for the executive to take the decision, he suggests. May welcomes his comments.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/bl ... df2fe47ce0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
you gotta be kidding me

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 7:48 pm
by RogerOThornhill
PorFavor wrote: I thought that David Lammy was excellent!
In here if anyone hasn't yet seen it.

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Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 7:57 pm
by citizenJA
Outrageous commentary below the line elsewhere
Comments shut after a couple hundred posts

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 8:02 pm
by RogerOThornhill
Well.
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BREAKING: Sean Hannity is named as client of Trump lawyer Michael Cohen who objected to being identified https://bloom.bg/2J2mGux" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
:D

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 8:31 pm
by citizenJA
Goodnight, everyone
love,
cJA

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 9:56 pm
by frog222
A question that has been intriguing me .

David Lammy won on Windrush.

On the security/bombing debate in parliament, who won ?

a In parliamentary theatre .

b In the court of public opinion ?

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 10:01 pm
by frog222
Just off to read the Crace --

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Hoping for answers to my questions !

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 10:11 pm
by RogerOThornhill
This is very amusing...

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Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 10:31 pm
by frog222
“” jamted 1h ago 24

Watching the statement and ensuing discussion was profoundly depressing. The level of exchanges was almost uniformly low. Tories pretended it was Corbyn the HoC should be discussing and he was an enemy of the UK anyway; the usual Labour suspects continued to oppose their leader rather than the government. Only the SNP introduced serious points for consideration.

May of course did not answer any of the substantial questions but lapped up the sycophancy while colluding with Tory pretense that Corbyn was somehow the villain here. The Syrians didn’t get much of a look in.

A despicable performance all round.
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mugsey jamted 40m ago
Totally agree. I never thought I could ever hate the tories, and the ideas they represent, as much as I did in the 80s, but they are driving me crazy now. In fact I am nearly at the stage where maybe Thatcher wasn’t so bad after all.
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Oh dear, I had the same thought about Thatcher !

Help ?

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 10:41 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
Thatcher really *was* as bad a lot of the time, its just that the passage of time has dulled the pain somewhat.

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 11:13 pm
by RogerOThornhill
Dearie me, Hannan really is an unpleasant little man isn't he?

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Andrew Cooper's response pretty much sums him up.
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You really are disgusting

Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 11:21 pm
by frog222
Just for fun --

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Re: Monday 16th April 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2018 11:23 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
Anybody going to turn the page over before we clock off, then?