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It's the end of April, but is it the end of May?


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Two points I've picked up from Twitter.

First, Rudd will be back soon judging by strong hints from Hunt for example. May may well have promised her a return to keep her on side over Brexit.

Second, May is extremely exposed by the final resignation, which came because of a leaked letter from Rudd to May. So, May knew too! :twisted:


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Strikingly similar method ie.focus on removeability "soft" targets,to get the numbers up as sanctions,far from being caught up,purposefully targeted.

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There is nothing fascistic about any of this.

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As far as I know.

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I'd forgotten just how hopeless May's government is until I read this

https://www.newstatesman.com/2018/04/am ... government

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Morning all.

First question to Theresa may must surely be "You knew there were targets because you were Home Secretary when they were instituted, so why didn't you get Amber Rudd to correct herself immediately she said there were none?"

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Horrific party hack, who gets a free pass from most "journalists" because of their ethnicity/background.


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Said Javid told Parliament that Momentum are a ‘neo-fascist’ group. As Home Secretary he’s now in charge of banning neo-fascist groups under the Terrorism Act 2000


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Said Javid told Parliament that Momentum are a ‘neo-fascist’ group. As Home Secretary he’s now in charge of banning neo-fascist groups under the Terrorism Act 2000


He was challenged to repeat that outside the HoC, where parliamentary privilege does not apply. Unsurprisingly, he has declined to.


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Compared to Matt Hancock, everyone is a serious political thinker.

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Re - Diane Abbott's Urgent Question (Windrush)

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Brexiteers now accusing Barnier of wanting to split up the UK :roll:


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I can't read the Torygraph article (nor do I particularly want to) but presumably he's saying that the only solution that currently makes any sense is for NI to stay in the EU.


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Urgent question from Abbott at 3.30 pm.

To Javid, since you ask!


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Michael can you be in London at 3.30 this afternoon?
Sorry no.
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Jeremy can you be in London at 3.30 this afternoon?
Sorry no.
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Sajid can you be in London at 3.30 this afternoon?
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Brexiteers now accusing Barnier of wanting to split up the UK :roll:


I've been trying to think of a way of describing our reaction to this which doesn't involve saying 'stamping our feet crossly and demanding that we be given what we want' but I think that just about has it.

I imagine the telegraph article isn't a million miles away from theArlene Foster based article in the Guardian this morning - 'if they think we're even going to consider that then they obviously don't understand us at all!'

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Improving assisted travel on railways

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10 policies if you think you might want a Universal Basic Income but aren’t sure

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Windrush urgent Q at 4.15, 3.30 is Asda / Sainos


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Brexiteers now accusing Barnier of wanting to split up the UK :roll:


"They can't do that, its OUR job!!" :D


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Disabled people losing out on £2,000 a year because of Universal Credit begin legal action



One of many explicitly targeted or overwhelmingly so,of course.

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A special prize to the Twitterer who questioned Abbott's competence because she started her question with "Can I ask the Prime Minister..." :rofl:


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Before you get to the increases in charging for any support which seems to be current thinking of the way to go.More a multi.pronged attack,rather than pincer movement.

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We failed to invest nearly enough,that's why you are a burden or something like that.

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BREAKING: Peers vote 335-244 (Maj. 91) for cross-party amendt (49) to #EUWithdrawalBill re: meaningful role for Parliament at end of #Brexit


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According to this article by my colleague Diane Taylor, on that point he is plain wrong. (Politics Live, Guardian)


Off to a flying start.

You'd think he'd know the basic background (it's hardly a policy detail) given his claims to be personally affected by the injustices meted out.


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A special prize to the Twitterer who questioned Abbott's competence because she started her question with "Can I ask the Prime Minister..." :rofl:


Let me guess, was it a Labour "centrist"??


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A special prize to the Twitterer who questioned Abbott's competence because she started her question with "Can I ask the Prime Minister..." :rofl:


Let me guess, was it a Labour "centrist"??

Just a Twitterer really, but Tory I'd say.

So you're about right ;-)


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According to this article by my colleague Diane Taylor, on that point he is plain wrong. (Politics Live, Guardian)


Off to a flying start.

You'd think he'd know the basic background (it's hardly a policy detail) given his claims to be personally affected by the injustices meted out.


Is he lying or does he really not know? The media have been very slow to pick up on this very significant omission in the 2014 immigration act. When Diane Abbott raised it on BBC News 24 this morning, it was the first time I'd seen it clearly referenced in the MSM. Yet the Coalition government must have made a conscious decision to take it out. You don't just lose bits of legislation down the back of the sofa.

For clarity, this is the protection from deportation for Commonwealth citizens who have settled in the UK that was in the 1999 immigration act but removed in 2014.

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I know I've asked this before, but any news on whether the Salisbury Convention would be seen to apply in this Parliament?


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I've been trying to think of a way of describing our reaction to this which doesn't involve saying 'stamping our feet crossly and demanding that we be given what we want' but I think that just about has it.

I imagine the telegraph article isn't a million miles away from theArlene Foster based article in the Guardian this morning - 'if they think we're even going to consider that then they obviously don't understand us at all!'

I'd be worried if I did understand the DUP. They're bonkers, and racist with it.

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I know I've asked this before, but any news on whether the Salisbury Convention would be seen to apply in this Parliament?


Not really. It's an unanswered question, as far as I know. The Lords wouldn't directly oppose the implementation of the referendum result, though, I wouldn't have thought although they might have a rather different view of what fulfils the referendum mandate to the government and I think that's roughly where we are at the moment.

An interesting aside is whether the Salisbury Convention can even manage to play out in regards to the current withdrawal bill with only one Parliamentary session before article 50 ejects us from the EU next March.

http://obiterj.blogspot.co.uk/2018/01/t ... rawal.html

I think what this means is if Theresa May wants to pass a withdrawal bill before the clock runs out in March 2019 she may have little choice but to accept many of the Lords' amendments? Creating enough new peers to overturn some of the majorities we've been seeing - 80-90 - would be pretty extreme, and possibly unconstitutional.

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Jo Maugham's lost his shit. :popcorn:

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Is it possible May will have to accept this amendment? That's a majority of 91. She surely can't keep batting it back to the Lords in the hope that majority will disappear? My grasp of these things isn't great I'm afraid, but if the Lords dig their heels in, with the article 50 clock ticking, could this turn into a constitutional game of chicken? "Pass my bill unamended or you'll take us over a cliff" - "No you accept our amendments or you'll take us over a cliff"!

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Is it possible May will have to accept this amendment? That's a majority of 91. She surely can't keep batting it back to the Lords in the hope that majority will disappear? My grasp of these things isn't great I'm afraid, but if the Lords dig their heels in, with the article 50 clock ticking, could this turn into a constitutional game of chicken? "Pass my bill unamended or you'll take us over a cliff" - "No you accept our amendments or you'll take us over a cliff"!

I think you're reading this as I am Willow.

May can't easily ignore this. And as I say she can't just say "Salisbury Convention" because there isn't a mandate for her manifesto.

Sure the Brexiteers will chelp about the unelected Lords but it's not like they've been campaigning to change it previously!


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