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Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 7:31 am
by PaulfromYorkshire
It's the end of April, but is it the end of May?

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 7:34 am
by PaulfromYorkshire
Two points I've picked up from Twitter.

First, Rudd will be back soon judging by strong hints from Hunt for example. May may well have promised her a return to keep her on side over Brexit.

Second, May is extremely exposed by the final resignation, which came because of a leaked letter from Rudd to May. So, May knew too! :twisted:

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 7:51 am
by HindleA
Strikingly similar method ie.focus on removeability "soft" targets,to get the numbers up as sanctions,far from being caught up,purposefully targeted.

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 7:56 am
by HindleA
There is nothing fascistic about any of this.

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 7:57 am
by HindleA
Oh good morfternoon from the back garden of an undisclosed location but not China.

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 7:58 am
by HindleA
As far as I know.

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 7:59 am
by HindleA
Yet.

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 8:15 am
by PaulfromYorkshire
I'd forgotten just how hopeless May's government is until I read this

https://www.newstatesman.com/2018/04/am ... government" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

amber-rudds-resignation-enhances-stench-decay-around-theresa-mays-government

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 8:54 am
by RogerOThornhill
Morning all.

First question to Theresa may must surely be "You knew there were targets because you were Home Secretary when they were instituted, so why didn't you get Amber Rudd to correct herself immediately she said there were none?"

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 10:18 am
by RogerOThornhill
To no-one's surprise...
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Sajid Javid MP @SajidJavid becomes Secretary of State for the @UKHomeOffice

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 10:31 am
by AnatolyKasparov
Horrific party hack, who gets a free pass from most "journalists" because of their ethnicity/background.

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 10:37 am
by PaulfromYorkshire
Jon Stone
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9 seconds ago

Said Javid told Parliament that Momentum are a ‘neo-fascist’ group. As Home Secretary he’s now in charge of banning neo-fascist groups under the Terrorism Act 2000

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 11:21 am
by PorFavor
Good morfternoon.

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 11:35 am
by gilsey
Matt Hancock

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This is a very good decision. @sajidjavid is a serious political thinker who gets things done. Congratulations
:sick:

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 11:51 am
by AnatolyKasparov
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Jon Stone
‏@joncstone
9 seconds ago

Said Javid told Parliament that Momentum are a ‘neo-fascist’ group. As Home Secretary he’s now in charge of banning neo-fascist groups under the Terrorism Act 2000
He was challenged to repeat that outside the HoC, where parliamentary privilege does not apply. Unsurprisingly, he has declined to.

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 12:08 pm
by RogerOThornhill
Compared to Matt Hancock, everyone is a serious political thinker.

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 12:19 pm
by PaulfromYorkshire
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ish-border" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

michel-barnier-brexit-talks-at-risk-unless-uk-softens-irish-border

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 1:35 pm
by adam
Comment BTL on the graun
Who's May going to get to stand in for her in debates now that Rudd has stood in for her resigning?

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 1:55 pm
by PorFavor
Re - Diane Abbott's Urgent Question (Windrush)
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1:38 PM - Apr 30, 2018 (Politics Live, Guardian)

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 2:07 pm
by PaulfromYorkshire
Brexiteers now accusing Barnier of wanting to split up the UK :roll:

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 2:09 pm
by citizenJA
Good-afternoon, everyone

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 2:09 pm
by PaulfromYorkshire
I can't read the Torygraph article (nor do I particularly want to) but presumably he's saying that the only solution that currently makes any sense is for NI to stay in the EU.

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 2:12 pm
by PaulfromYorkshire
Urgent question from Abbott at 3.30 pm.

To Javid, since you ask!

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 2:14 pm
by PaulfromYorkshire
Michael can you be in London at 3.30 this afternoon?
Sorry no.
Bye.

Jeremy can you be in London at 3.30 this afternoon?
Sorry no.
Bye.

Sajid can you be in London at 3.30 this afternoon?
Yes sure.
Congratulations Home Secretary!

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 2:15 pm
by adam
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Brexiteers now accusing Barnier of wanting to split up the UK :roll:
I've been trying to think of a way of describing our reaction to this which doesn't involve saying 'stamping our feet crossly and demanding that we be given what we want' but I think that just about has it.

I imagine the telegraph article isn't a million miles away from theArlene Foster based article in the Guardian this morning - 'if they think we're even going to consider that then they obviously don't understand us at all!'

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 3:10 pm
by HindleA
https://www.gov.uk/government/consultat ... ys#history" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Consultation outcome

Improving assisted travel on railways

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Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 3:25 pm
by PaulfromYorkshire
Well well

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 3:26 pm
by HindleA
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10 policies if you think you might want a Universal Basic Income but aren’t sure

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 3:34 pm
by PaulfromYorkshire
Windrush urgent Q at 4.15, 3.30 is Asda / Sainos

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 3:45 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Brexiteers now accusing Barnier of wanting to split up the UK :roll:
"They can't do that, its OUR job!!" :D

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 4:46 pm
by HindleA
https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/universal-c ... ourt-case/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Disabled people losing out on £2,000 a year because of Universal Credit begin legal action



One of many explicitly targeted or overwhelmingly so,of course.

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 4:47 pm
by PaulfromYorkshire
A special prize to the Twitterer who questioned Abbott's competence because she started her question with "Can I ask the Prime Minister..." :rofl:

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 4:50 pm
by HindleA
Before you get to the increases in charging for any support which seems to be current thinking of the way to go.More a multi.pronged attack,rather than pincer movement.

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 4:53 pm
by HindleA
We failed to invest nearly enough,that's why you are a burden or something like that.

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 4:54 pm
by HindleA
The solution is the problem.

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 4:57 pm
by HindleA
"Universal malicious stupidity"

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 5:05 pm
by PaulfromYorkshire
BREAKING: Peers vote 335-244 (Maj. 91) for cross-party amendt (49) to #EUWithdrawalBill re: meaningful role for Parliament at end of #Brexit

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 5:06 pm
by RogerOThornhill
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Govt defeat: Peers vote 335 to 244 for amendment which lets Parliament decide what happens if MPs reject Brexit deal or no deal reached

4:58 PM - 30 Apr 2018

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 5:09 pm
by PorFavor
Sajid Javid said earlier that Diane Abbott was wrong to say some protections for Windrush migrants were removed by the 2014 Immigration Act. (See 4.29pm.)

According to this article by my colleague Diane Taylor, on that point he is plain wrong. (Politics Live, Guardian)
Off to a flying start.

You'd think he'd know the basic background (it's hardly a policy detail) given his claims to be personally affected by the injustices meted out.

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 5:11 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:A special prize to the Twitterer who questioned Abbott's competence because she started her question with "Can I ask the Prime Minister..." :rofl:
Let me guess, was it a Labour "centrist"??

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 5:14 pm
by PaulfromYorkshire
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:A special prize to the Twitterer who questioned Abbott's competence because she started her question with "Can I ask the Prime Minister..." :rofl:
Let me guess, was it a Labour "centrist"??
Just a Twitterer really, but Tory I'd say.

So you're about right ;-)

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 5:19 pm
by Willow904
PorFavor wrote:
Sajid Javid said earlier that Diane Abbott was wrong to say some protections for Windrush migrants were removed by the 2014 Immigration Act. (See 4.29pm.)

According to this article by my colleague Diane Taylor, on that point he is plain wrong. (Politics Live, Guardian)
Off to a flying start.

You'd think he'd know the basic background (it's hardly a policy detail) given his claims to be personally affected by the injustices meted out.
Is he lying or does he really not know? The media have been very slow to pick up on this very significant omission in the 2014 immigration act. When Diane Abbott raised it on BBC News 24 this morning, it was the first time I'd seen it clearly referenced in the MSM. Yet the Coalition government must have made a conscious decision to take it out. You don't just lose bits of legislation down the back of the sofa.

For clarity, this is the protection from deportation for Commonwealth citizens who have settled in the UK that was in the 1999 immigration act but removed in 2014.

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 5:44 pm
by PaulfromYorkshire
I know I've asked this before, but any news on whether the Salisbury Convention would be seen to apply in this Parliament?

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 5:58 pm
by gilsey
adam wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Brexiteers now accusing Barnier of wanting to split up the UK :roll:
I've been trying to think of a way of describing our reaction to this which doesn't involve saying 'stamping our feet crossly and demanding that we be given what we want' but I think that just about has it.

I imagine the telegraph article isn't a million miles away from theArlene Foster based article in the Guardian this morning - 'if they think we're even going to consider that then they obviously don't understand us at all!'
I'd be worried if I did understand the DUP. They're bonkers, and racist with it.

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 6:18 pm
by Willow904
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:I know I've asked this before, but any news on whether the Salisbury Convention would be seen to apply in this Parliament?
Not really. It's an unanswered question, as far as I know. The Lords wouldn't directly oppose the implementation of the referendum result, though, I wouldn't have thought although they might have a rather different view of what fulfils the referendum mandate to the government and I think that's roughly where we are at the moment.

An interesting aside is whether the Salisbury Convention can even manage to play out in regards to the current withdrawal bill with only one Parliamentary session before article 50 ejects us from the EU next March.

http://obiterj.blogspot.co.uk/2018/01/t ... rawal.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I think what this means is if Theresa May wants to pass a withdrawal bill before the clock runs out in March 2019 she may have little choice but to accept many of the Lords' amendments? Creating enough new peers to overturn some of the majorities we've been seeing - 80-90 - would be pretty extreme, and possibly unconstitutional.

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 6:19 pm
by gilsey
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Government furious about this amendment passing, say it gives Parliament “unprecedented constitutional power” including to stop Brexit
Oh good. :D

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 6:25 pm
by gilsey
Jo Maugham's lost his shit. :popcorn:

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Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 6:48 pm
by Willow904
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/en ... ssion=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Shadow Brexit Secretary Keir Starmer said: “This is one of the most important amendments of the entire Brexit process - and indeed of the Parliament.”
Is it possible May will have to accept this amendment? That's a majority of 91. She surely can't keep batting it back to the Lords in the hope that majority will disappear? My grasp of these things isn't great I'm afraid, but if the Lords dig their heels in, with the article 50 clock ticking, could this turn into a constitutional game of chicken? "Pass my bill unamended or you'll take us over a cliff" - "No you accept our amendments or you'll take us over a cliff"!

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 6:57 pm
by PaulfromYorkshire
Willow904 wrote:https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/en ... ssion=true
Shadow Brexit Secretary Keir Starmer said: “This is one of the most important amendments of the entire Brexit process - and indeed of the Parliament.”
Is it possible May will have to accept this amendment? That's a majority of 91. She surely can't keep batting it back to the Lords in the hope that majority will disappear? My grasp of these things isn't great I'm afraid, but if the Lords dig their heels in, with the article 50 clock ticking, could this turn into a constitutional game of chicken? "Pass my bill unamended or you'll take us over a cliff" - "No you accept our amendments or you'll take us over a cliff"!
I think you're reading this as I am Willow.

May can't easily ignore this. And as I say she can't just say "Salisbury Convention" because there isn't a mandate for her manifesto.

Sure the Brexiteers will chelp about the unelected Lords but it's not like they've been campaigning to change it previously!

Re: Monday 30th April 2018

Posted: Mon 30 Apr, 2018 7:07 pm
by PorFavor
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