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I presume this would be at a GE based on yesterday's figures?
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That has improved a bit for Labour since early this morning.
No surprise - John Curtice was one of the few on TV warning that some of the early results (eg Sunderland/Nuneaton) might not be totally representative.
No surprise - John Curtice was one of the few on TV warning that some of the early results (eg Sunderland/Nuneaton) might not be totally representative.
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Lab 45.8% (+32.8%)
Central
Lab 56.9% (+41.3%)
Herne
Lab 45.4% (+34.8%)
Seldon
Lab 49.4% (+31.5%)
Broadwater
Lab 45.8% (+32.8%)
Central
Lab 56.9% (+41.3%)
Herne
Lab 45.4% (+34.8%)
Seldon
Lab 49.4% (+31.5%)
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Redbridge Labour now have 51 seats, an increase of 16.
Labour lost out in Wandsworth by only 141 votes.
Gained 4 councillors in Westminster.
Took Plymouth and Kirklees Council.
Labour is now the largest party in Trafford.
Labour lost out in Wandsworth by only 141 votes.
Gained 4 councillors in Westminster.
Took Plymouth and Kirklees Council.
Labour is now the largest party in Trafford.
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In other news, Len McCluskey remains general secretary of Unite after election rival Gerard Coyne lost his court bid to have last year's result overturned.
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:In other news, Len McCluskey remains general secretary of Unite after election rival Gerard Coyne lost his court bid to have last year's result overturned.
I bet Gerard's cross!
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Another by-election, then?20m ago 15:45
Dan Jarvis elected mayor of Sheffield city region
The Labour MP Dan Jarvis has been elected mayor of Sheffield city region on the second count.
Here are the second round voting figures.
Dan Jarvis (Lab) 144,154
Ian Walker (C) 50,619 (Politics Live, Guardian)
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No, the Labour NEC agreed that since this is a "shadow" role at present he doesn't have to stop being an MP (for the time being, anyway)PorFavor wrote:Another by-election, then?20m ago 15:45
Dan Jarvis elected mayor of Sheffield city region
The Labour MP Dan Jarvis has been elected mayor of Sheffield city region on the second count.
Here are the second round voting figures.
Dan Jarvis (Lab) 144,154
Ian Walker (C) 50,619 (Politics Live, Guardian)
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From BBC,results after 138 of 150 councils.
Labour 2020 +63
Cons 1284 – 14
Libems 475 + 53
Green 34 + 5
Ukip 3 -123
Other 142 + 16
Terrible results for Labour.
One of BBC headlines is about Labour losing Barnet.Labour haven’t held Barnet since the 60s.
Labour 2020 +63
Cons 1284 – 14
Libems 475 + 53
Green 34 + 5
Ukip 3 -123
Other 142 + 16
Terrible results for Labour.
One of BBC headlines is about Labour losing Barnet.Labour haven’t held Barnet since the 60s.
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Some of the reporting of these results is alarming
Just tell the truth
Just tell the truth
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I been staring at the BBC link and it's been solidly good news for Labour all day
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the part I'm looking at is just the numbers and results coming in, not any commentary on the BBC
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the part I'm looking at is just the numbers and results coming in, not any commentary on the BBC
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Oh - I thought that was all about in the event of his winning, he had to stand down as an MP. Must pay more attention! Thanks for the information.AnatolyKasparov wrote:No, the Labour NEC agreed that since this is a "shadow" role at present he doesn't have to stop being an MP (for the time being, anyway)PorFavor wrote:Another by-election, then?20m ago 15:45
Dan Jarvis elected mayor of Sheffield city region
The Labour MP Dan Jarvis has been elected mayor of Sheffield city region on the second count.
Here are the second round voting figures.
Dan Jarvis (Lab) 144,154
Ian Walker (C) 50,619 (Politics Live, Guardian)
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There were some who wanted him to stand down as an MP immediately, but in the end it seems an agreement was reached.
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Labour hold Birmingham
Labour has retained control of Birmingham council, the Press Association reports. It has got 51 of the 101 seats, with 14 two-councillor wards yet to declare. (Politics Live, Guardian)
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Swindon, vote share:
Lab: 42.4% (+10.2)
Con: 41.4% (+9.1)
LDem: 7.7% (-0.8)
Grn: 4.6% (+0.5)
UKIP: 3.9% (-18.1)
Chgs. w/ 2014
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Swindon, vote share:
Lab: 42.4% (+10.2)
Con: 41.4% (+9.1)
LDem: 7.7% (-0.8)
Grn: 4.6% (+0.5)
UKIP: 3.9% (-18.1)
Chgs. w/ 2014
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Labour are now on 2117 + 63
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We're working out how many people might have been turned away from voting today by the ID requirements. Should be able to announce soon...
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We're working out how many people might have been turned away from voting today by the ID requirements. Should be able to announce soon...
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The BBC national projection of yesterday's vote puts Labour as the largest party at 283 seats. Professor John Curtice says the SNP would just have enough to form a government with Labour.
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And it turns out that one of the very last councils to declare will be..........Tower Hamlets!
Who would ever have imagined it?
Who would ever have imagined it?
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Theresa May says voters have rejected the vile racism in Labour that has gone "unchallenged" by the party. In other news the Conservatives have just welcomed the councillor who shared this about an Asian person on Facebook, back into the party.
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I'm hearing UKIP have managed to keep hold of their seat on Question Time despite huge losses elsewhere in the #LocalElections2018
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Almost 4,000 people may have been denied vote by voter ID pilots, says Electoral Reform Society (Politics Live, Guardian)
As I mentioned yesterday, we won't know how many people just didn't try to vote (no ID).
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I'm going to get away from the news for awhile
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Darren Hughes, chief executive of the Electoral Reform Society, said:
Britain prides itself on being a leading democracy – but it is a dark day for politics when thousands of blameless people turn out to vote only to be refused.
Our estimates, based on evidence gathered by electoral observers, reveal the shocking scale of the problem. These trials have been shown up to be the chaotic, undemocratic mess many predicted.
(Politics Live, Guardian)
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I've no idea how you would set up a pilot with a proper control that would produce a meaningful answer, but it seems clear that the tories weren't bothered anyway. They just thought they'd tinker about with it in case it did them any good.PorFavor wrote:Edited to add -28s ago 17:39
Almost 4,000 people may have been denied vote by voter ID pilots, says Electoral Reform Society (Politics Live, Guardian)
As I mentioned yesterday, we won't know how many people just didn't try to vote (no ID).
How the f*** did they think they'd know if it did?
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Hostile environment at the Polling Station.
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So just Tower Hamlets left to declare?
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Oh and is it just me or did the Libdems have a good afternoon? Albeit from a relatively low base of course. With the UKIP vote pretty much absorbed now, the Libdems taking votes from the Tories might start causing them problems going forwards (one hopes). Rather off them than us, at any rate.
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Why is it remarkable at all, amid the ongoing deluge of Labour anti-semitism stories?Stephen Fisher, an academic who works with Prof John Curtice on BBC election analysis, says in a Prospect article that Brexit helped to explain voting patterns in the elections - except in areas with Jewish populations.
The Conservatives have so far made 163 seat gains and suffered 165 losses. As a result they will likely end the day with a similar overall tally as the one they started with. Most, 89, of the Conservative losses were in London, and most, 132, of their gains were outside London. This differential in the Tory performance is part of a broader pattern whereby the Conservatives won more votes and seats in places which were more supportive of Brexit. As a result, the councils the party has won (Basildon, Peterborough, Redditch) are all places that voted to leave the EU at a rate of 61 per cent or more in 2016.
The exception to this rule tells an important story linked to the row over anti-Semitism in the Labour Party. Of the wards across the country where the BBC collected the votes, Labour is up by just 3 points where more than 4 per cent of the population is Jewish, but the party is up by 7 points on average elsewhere. This correlation had a particular impact in both Barnet and Bury where the Jewish population is relatively large. That Labour not only failed to take its (notionally) easiest target in London, but the Conservatives actually managed to gain six seats and take control of Barnet (where 38 per cent voted Remain) is quite remarkable.
Labour just have to suck it up, unfortunately.
(The Prospect article is paywalled)
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Last one today.
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I had a look at the two councils in London which the LibDems took from the Tories - amazing seat swings in both.
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‘Gutted to see good Labour councillors in Barnet lose their seats and hear of Jewish residents fearful of voting Labour – pledge to fight to win back trust and confidence of every progressive in Britain to be able to deliver a more socially just society for all #enoughisenough
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‘Slightly more complicated picture in Barnet than implied by some summaries:Labour vote share actually went up,but Tory vote share went up even more.Greens and Ukip both squeezed,the latter into oblivion.’
Me:Cons 44.5 (+6)
Lab 39.0 (+2.7)
‘Gutted to see good Labour councillors in Barnet lose their seats and hear of Jewish residents fearful of voting Labour – pledge to fight to win back trust and confidence of every progressive in Britain to be able to deliver a more socially just society for all #enoughisenough
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‘Slightly more complicated picture in Barnet than implied by some summaries:Labour vote share actually went up,but Tory vote share went up even more.Greens and Ukip both squeezed,the latter into oblivion.’
Me:Cons 44.5 (+6)
Lab 39.0 (+2.7)
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Finally got in to find out Labour took control of Kirklees from NOC
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Thank you for holding the fort last night. A tip for next year - Sunderland and Nuneaton probably won't be that representative of the country as a wholePaulfromYorkshire wrote:Finally got in to find out Labour took control of Kirklees from NOC
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Indeed.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Thank you for holding the fort last night. A tip for next year - Sunderland and Nuneaton probably won't be that representative of the country as a wholePaulfromYorkshire wrote:Finally got in to find out Labour took control of Kirklees from NOC
Nuneaton is interesting isn't it, because prior to Brexit it was a bit bellwethery.
But now it's almost off limits for Labour it seems. Interesting times.
Sunderland I was very aware of. You can find me on Twitter pointing out that the result in Pallion was almost exactly the same as the by-election in Feb, so not really newsworthy.
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Harry Phibbs has been given the boot from Hammersmith & Fulham
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I don't think Sunderland should ever be thought of as representative of anywhere else at all.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Thank you for holding the fort last night. A tip for next year - Sunderland and Nuneaton probably won't be that representative of the country as a wholePaulfromYorkshire wrote:Finally got in to find out Labour took control of Kirklees from NOC
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It may have centre stage politically in forthcoming months though if Nissan do pull out.gilsey wrote:I don't think Sunderland should ever be thought of as representative of anywhere else at all.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Thank you for holding the fort last night. A tip for next year - Sunderland and Nuneaton probably won't be that representative of the country as a wholePaulfromYorkshire wrote:Finally got in to find out Labour took control of Kirklees from NOC
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I've trawled through the election stuff in the local rag and, apart from mentioning, yesterday, that Gosport was part of the voter ID "pilot", there seems to be no reference to the voter ID issue and whether it was good, bad, or indifferent. I find that rather, well, sinister is the word which springs first to mind.
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If true, and one is pretty sure it is, signing more petitions ain't going to help.RogerOThornhill wrote:This thread...
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Perhaps MP's could find a way of putting each case into the parliamentary record .
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A self-contradictory LP A/S piece from the NS !
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Did Labour fail to win Barnet because of its anti-Semitism scandals?
Barnet’s Labour leader blamed the party’s leadership for missing out on the prize.
Barnet's labour leader either needs replacing or re educating .
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Did Labour fail to win Barnet because of its anti-Semitism scandals?
Barnet’s Labour leader blamed the party’s leadership for missing out on the prize.
Barnet's labour leader either needs replacing or re educating .