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Shock figures from top thinktank reveal extent of NHS crisis
Health service has one of the lowest levels of doctors, nurses and beds in the western world
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... tern-world

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Jeremy Corbyn after voting

That's a nice image of Corbyn, I like that



Just hang a "polling station" placard up,no wonder fraud is so rife.


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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... status-quo


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https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/ ... h-obituary


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First Jimmy "Five Bellies" Gardner

And now Por "Three Sheds" Pavor

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I was once quite proud of being a Brit, and spent quite some time reflecting on the matter, believing us to be on balance, funny and reasonably fair. But looking back, even during my lifetime, we have more or less consistently voted in the Tories, voted for Brexit, elected the likes of "red carpet for Trump" Mogg into power, and committed ourselves to being seen as a nation that sends immigrants (doesn't matter what sort) home.

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I notice Spiked getting awfully worked up about free speech and what they perceive as the threat to it this week...but this could have been written by any tabloid.

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6:35 PM - 5 May 2018


Well yes, I can see that for politicians because they're public servants but "celebs and millionaires"? That just looks like a "We want to intrude into people's private lives whether they like it or not"

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Angela Rayner attacks the Tories' hostile environment on education --

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/educ ... 38026.html


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The Tories could literally sprout devil horns & drown a truckload of puppies in the blood of virgins & that 40% would still be voting Tory to deliver their precious Brexit.


Exactly.

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Jacob Rees Mogg tells @pestononsunday: "The issue with the customs partnership is, to be effective, it would have to keep us in the single market."

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That lozenge - he's menthol.

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Well, Rees-Mogg is right in a way. If you accept the common sense arguments in favour of a customs union then you're half way to accepting the sense of remaining in the single market. And it's decision time on EEA/EFTA. Labour can't stall any longer, they have to start making definitive decisions and as they make those decisions being all things to all people will become increasingly difficult:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... ssion=true
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Well, those "rebel Tories" actually putting their money where there mouth is more often would be nice.


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Well, those "rebel Tories" actually putting their money where there mouth is more often would be nice.


If Labour side with the government in the Lords, we'll never get the chance to find out how serious they are about rebelling.

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UK interest rates to rise this week? A cut would be better advised
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Jeremy Corbyn after voting

That's a nice image of Corbyn, I like that



Just hang a "polling station" placard up,no wonder fraud is so rife.

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I was once quite proud of being a Brit, and spent quite some time reflecting on the matter, believing us to be on balance, funny and reasonably fair. But looking back, even during my lifetime, we have more or less consistently voted in the Tories, voted for Brexit, elected the likes of "red carpet for Trump" Mogg into power, and committed ourselves to being seen as a nation that sends immigrants (doesn't matter what sort) home.
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Disabled musician's wheelchair 'crushed in revolving door of Britannia Hotel,Birmingham.


Had misfortune of having stayed there (on tod).There was an unannounced step down on entry of room.Convenietly located is as far as I would go


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Tory supporters still go on about the "leftie BBC" though.


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AK 1.18 Above all, make your lies BIG ONES ! :-)


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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Tory supporters still go on about the "leftie BBC" though.


Which prompts the answer - they would, wouldn't they! ;)

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My own experiences with UK peoples I know and love
Loving, uncomplicated, purity of heart and intention
For all the worldliness of the UK nation's history, UK people are most often ingenuous, without affectations
Isolation, insecure employment and housing, haphazard education system varying throughout the country, astounding disparities, intentional chaos from Westminster, years of loneliness, children grown and flown, spiritual needs unacknowledged, world comes streaming through a device, a confused and confusing place, disordered, moving too fast, the soul can't keep up with all that
It's no wonder we can get side-tracked, a few wicked power people capitalise fear, anger and tell lies about the world and people in it, plot their own course and call it, 'the will of the people'.


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The BBC has used a graphic showing the results from last week’s local elections that depicts a Conservative party net loss of thirty-three councillors:

However, other news sources quote a much higher figure, such as the Guardian and Press Association:

https://skwawkbox.org/2018/05/06/tory-l ... r-and-why/

Meanwhile: Some good election breakdown graphs on this Twitter feed.

https://twitter.com/ian_a_jones/status/ ... 0166105088

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The BBC has used a graphic showing the results from last week’s local elections that depicts a Conservative party net loss of thirty-three councillors:

However, other news sources quote a much higher figure, such as the Guardian and Press Association:

https://skwawkbox.org/2018/05/06/tory-l ... r-and-why/


There is a case for using both methodologies.

Seat changes since the GE are calculated compared to the previous one, any byelections in between don't count. Though there is a case for saying the much greater number of local byelections (and changes) in any four year cycle gives more legitimacy to the PA way of doing things.

Its not any media conspiracy (in either case) this time round, though ;)


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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:
The BBC has used a graphic showing the results from last week’s local elections that depicts a Conservative party net loss of thirty-three councillors:

However, other news sources quote a much higher figure, such as the Guardian and Press Association:

https://skwawkbox.org/2018/05/06/tory-l ... r-and-why/


There is a case for using both methodologies.

Seat changes since the GE are calculated compared to the previous one, any byelections in between don't count. Though there is a case for saying the much greater number of local byelections (and changes) in any four year cycle gives more legitimacy to the PA way of doing things.

Its not any media conspiracy (in either case) this time round, though ;)


But one suspects the BBC cynically opted for the one that made the Tories look better

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Late Summer, 1357
post-Battle of Poitiers, King Jean of France, sumptuous hostage, living it up in the Savoy, London

Back on the continent, the Dauphin-Regent asserts himself a bit and reinstates some councillors disliked by the Council of Thirty-six led by Marcel, mercantile magnates of the Third Estates. In response, the Dauphin's Marshals are murdered in his palace chamber, the Dauphin witnesses the entire grisly spectacle, their corpses thrown out, publicly displayed. Marcel calls the dead knights false traitors to the Dauphin. The people take his word for it.
Barbara Tuchman - A Distant Mirror: The Calamitous 14th Century wrote:
"Marcel promptly returned to the palace to present the Dauphin with that ever-justifying formula: the deed had been done 'by the will of the people.'
The prince, he said, must show himself at one with the people by ratifying the act and pardoning everyone concerned."
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At least 1,000 highly skilled migrants wrongly face deportation, experts reveal

Home Office accused of ‘abusing’ section of Immigration Act designed to tackle terrorism

At least 1,000 highly skilled migrants seeking indefinite leave to remain (ILR) in the UK are wrongly facing deportation under a section of the Immigration Act designed in part to tackle terrorists and individuals judged to be a threat to national security, MPs and experts have said.

In the latest scandal to hit the Home Office after the Windrush crisis, a range of MPs and immigration experts have criticised the use of the controversial section 322(5) of the act, with two saying the crisis-hit department is truly wicked and abusing its power. (Guardian)


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https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... on-results
"The Tories may be tempted, but this is no time to declare peak Corbyn"
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"The Tories may be tempted, but this is no time to declare peak Corbyn"
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Last week’s elections were a minor tremor alerting the political class to the tectonic uncertainty that still lies beneath. The Tories have been awakened from their fatalistic stupor and reminded they have a choice. What matters more, of course, is that the rest of us do too.

TBG - very sensible article, tho the Tories are quite cruel and unpleasant enough already, re DWP against the disabled, the Home Office against anyone they can persecute !

On tectonic plates i was listening to France Culture earlier on the rise of Europe-wide racism/nationalisms etc .

" Brexit is more divisive than was Suez !"

Like a couple of journos and probably many many other people, that was my immediate reaction on waking up to the brexit result .


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Lebanon election likely to reaffirm status quo in country riven by dysfunction


Just noticed this.

Sounds familiar somehow?


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I'm drinking some 'crafted apple cider with blackberries', it was quite expensive, and do you know what it tastes like?

An Ice Pop. The Seventies ones. Like it was just in that magical process of melting but still being cold.

Perhaps it's part of that whole nostalgia thing, or perhaps some Hipsters have made cider that tastes like Ice Pops by mistake.

Either way it's quite nice on a night as warm as this.

I just walked through Leeds city centre and it was mildly chaotic, mainly young drunken women in various states of distress, there was one being sick next to the bus station loudly claiming her 'chip pizza' had made her ill.

Earlier in the day it was male gym nuts going topless, mostly wearing shorts and flip flops. I thought they looked like twats but then I guess I wasn't their target audience.

And to get away with this ramble I guess I have to say something about Corbyn.

I guess he's never ordered a chip pizza.


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I am mainly drinking vodka and orange - with the vodka fresh from the freezer and the orange juice from the fridge, to link with the whole 'ice pop' thing - and I am reminded of traveling through France on a coach when I was 18 and drinking this with the duty free vodka we'd bought on the boat, feeling all grown up because we could take it whilst various other people who'd pushed it too far in the bar on the boat were throwing up.

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Just reminded me of this, haven't had any not this for ages, but it's a spicy vodka, manly tasting of cloves,
which anaesthesatises (possibly wrong, but spell checker seems happy with it) your throat as it goes down.
https://www.thewhiskyexchange.com/p/627 ... ters-vodka

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The Strawberry version of the cider was undrinkable even for me. It went down the sink.


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£200 a bottle and tasted like it (a mate was kind enough to share the last of his bottle).


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I had some of this at the yesterday:
£200 a bottle and tasted like it (a mate was kind enough to share the last of his bottle).

online at £199 with Free Delivery!
Just need to instigate a swear box regime,
watch Andrew Marr & Question Time each week
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Theresa May’s perpetual Brexit and Labour's forsaken base.


I agree with all of this. Wren-Lewis has come to the same conclusions I have and explains his reasoning very well. More than anything, I feel the showdown in the Commons over what kind of Brexit we have needs to come as early as possible. Theresa May should not be allowed to drag this out. EU nationals in the UK and UK nationals in the EU need clarity on where we are headed. Leaving them in limbo for years to come is the worst possible fudge. And that's before you even start to consider the needs of businesses that need sufficient time to prepare for future arrangements.

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PostPosted: Mon 07 May, 2018 12:38 pm 
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https://www.conservativehome.com/thecol ... -back.html
"Nicky Morgan: For too long, the Party has appeased Brexiteer obsessives. It’s time for One Nation Tories to fight back."
Some sense, but then it's not just brexit where Tories grip on reality fails, such as not accepting what her party has already become.
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And for too long the Conservative One Nation tradition has tried to accommodate these demands. Well, enough is enough. I refuse to accept quietly that we become a Party which turns its back on the young, on those from diverse communities and on moderate middle of the road voters who want MPs to talk about the things that make a difference to their lives

And the comments are the usual, rabid nonsense.


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It is still a significant intervention.

Perhaps the "moderates" will finally demonstrate its not just the JRM faction who can get restless.


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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
It is still a significant intervention.

Perhaps the "moderates" will finally demonstrate its not just the JRM faction who can get restless.
I like your steady pragmatism
You remind me acknowledging what is isn't the same as thinking it acceptable
Here's what we got, what can we do with it, what can be done with it?


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