Monday 4th June 2018
Posted: Mon 04 Jun, 2018 7:57 am
Morning all.
At the end of the day, paper votes are much easier for a regular person to oversee and validate. Ordinary members of the public can make very reliable and objective tellers. Candidates can oversee and reassure themselves a paper count has been done properly and by the book. How many people have the technical expertise to be able to ensure an electronic count is valid?frog222 wrote:Also on R4, Bill Clinton coming out FOR paper votes in elections, with an example on how easy it is to hack electronic systems.
"" How many people have the technical expertise to be able to ensure an electronic count is valid?""Willow904 wrote:At the end of the day, paper votes are much easier for a regular person to oversee and validate. Ordinary members of the public can make very reliable and objective tellers. Candidates can oversee and reassure themselves a paper count has been done properly and by the book. How many people have the technical expertise to be able to ensure an electronic count is valid?frog222 wrote:Also on R4, Bill Clinton coming out FOR paper votes in elections, with an example on how easy it is to hack electronic systems.
The standard here is that local authority employees do it as an extra stand-alone job to apply for. (I suspect that it was a general 'anyone can apply for this' kind of job but that LA employees always knew about it and got there first - or it was a kind of 'dead man's shoes' job, the same people every time for as long as they can/want to.)frog222 wrote: {snip/snip}My ignorance of procedure, who does the counting, volunteers or paid etc, is extreme, being disenfranchised for so long, but I think in Germany 'ordinary people' do it as a duty with a nominal €payment, like jury service . One friend in Hamburg was asked to come back in succeeding elections as a supervisor .
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/liv ... ve-updates" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Richard Millet QC says “the fundamental question at the heart of our work” is how in London in 2017 a domestic fire spread so “catastrophically”, shattering families, devastating the community and bequeathing an inheritance of “injustice, betrayal and marginalisation”. In summary, he says the question is “Why?”
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... r-disaster" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;In case you missed it over the weekend, Edward Daffarn, the Grenfell Tower resident who issued warnings in 2016 that disaster would strike, told the Guardian in an interview that he expects the inquiry to expose every part of the decision-making process before the fire as “rotten and cancerous”.
He said:
Every single link in this chain is going to be found to be rotten and cancerous. The government didn’t implement the inquest recommendations after the Lakanal House fire where six people died in 2009. Had they done that Grenfell wouldn’t have happened. RBKC (Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea) failed to carry out scrutiny of the TMO (tenants management organisation).
The way the TMO operated, the handling of the contracts, the construction, through to the building regs, the materials that were used, the consultation process.
My german example was that people did it as a duty rather than a way of getting extra cash .adam wrote:The standard here is that local authority employees do it as an extra stand-alone job to apply for. (I suspect that it was a general 'anyone can apply for this' kind of job but that LA employees always knew about it and got there first - or it was a kind of 'dead man's shoes' job, the same people every time for as long as they can/want to.)frog222 wrote: {snip/snip}My ignorance of procedure, who does the counting, volunteers or paid etc, is extreme, being disenfranchised for so long, but I think in Germany 'ordinary people' do it as a duty with a nominal €payment, like jury service . One friend in Hamburg was asked to come back in succeeding elections as a supervisor .
The North-East parliamentary seats that take part in the race to be first on general election nights starting hiring bank-tellers to count the papers because they were used to counting notes - that was back in the 90s, I don't know how automated bank-note counting has become since then...
I agree, it's the power a regional mayor has availableAnatolyKasparov wrote:Burnham is grandstanding, but arguably there are times when a bit of that is needed.
BREAKING: EU withdrawal bill will come back to the Commons on June 12. It will be one bruising 12 hour session for all 15 amendments, starting at 12.30
It's a gamble and a half isn't it?AnatolyKasparov wrote:Ah, thought they might try something like that.
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Esther McVey just accused Labour of not knowing what sub judice means and then the Speaker explained that the case she keeps referring to isn't sub judice.
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If Arlene Foster says: “We have said to PM that for us our only red line is that we are not treated differently from the rest of the UK...thats what we will judge all of the propositions against that red line” then that also should also apply to women’s rights @faisalislam
"By cancelling rail services in advance rather than arbitrarily on the day, customer satisfaction would be 100%, thought Chris"
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oh god“It’s completely unacceptable to have someone operationally in control and not taking responsibility,” Failing Grayling declared hysterically. At that moment, satire died.
Oh, I expect she could somehow.......PaulfromYorkshire wrote:@Peston
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One senior Tory told me there is a growing view “the government is resigned to losing the customs vote” on Tuesday week. But could @theresa_may really survive that? " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
Peston was almost unable to speak with excitement on News at 10.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Oh, I expect she could somehow.......PaulfromYorkshire wrote:@Peston
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One senior Tory told me there is a growing view “the government is resigned to losing the customs vote” on Tuesday week. But could @theresa_may really survive that? " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
(though this does also look rather like expectation management to me)
I think that is one way she *could* be ousted in short order. After what happened a year ago there are too many in the party who won't countenance that again.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Peston was almost unable to speak with excitement on News at 10.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Oh, I expect she could somehow.......PaulfromYorkshire wrote:@Peston
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One senior Tory told me there is a growing view “the government is resigned to losing the customs vote” on Tuesday week. But could @theresa_may really survive that? " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
(though this does also look rather like expectation management to me)
Is there a scenario where she kind of rolls over, shouts "saboteurs" and calls another snap election?
It has started. This from erstwhile May loyalist: “We can’t go on with TM for much longer. Her inability to show leadership or make a decision is creating a vacuum the remainers use to run riot in. Once the votes are over next week, she has to go!”