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Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 7:59 am

Good Morning ;-)

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 8:05 am

;)

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 8:06 am

Moscow?

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 8:17 am

?

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 8:21 am

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ng-britain


NB 43 % of carers are male,given less likely to view/say as such you can up that figure.I don't think it helpful,quite the opposite,to falsely portray/exaggerate the actual difference.As for "financial",reversing the targeted cuts in particular situations introduced specifically to facillitate care/self care would be a start but of course the word benefits blinds the stupid into unthinking fuckwittery.
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Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 8:25 am

Neither Washington nor...
HindleA wrote:Moscow?

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 8:32 am

You old Trot,you

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 8:32 am

Willow904 wrote:?

PaulfromYorkshire dispatches from all over the world

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 8:33 am

@Willow

Paul's location.
A running joke since his hello from China.

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 8:33 am

Good-morning, everyone

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 8:35 am

The Redskins - Neither Washington Nor Moscow (But International Socialism) (Full Album - YouTube link)

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 8:45 am

So let's get this right.The Government thinks getting more disabled people that have carers into work will help financially whilst introducing loan replacement with interest rather than minimal benefit income,maintains hospital beds must pay for their spare room subject to discretion and advocates increased charging/equalising regime with in a home rather than in own home for any social care that facillitates it.

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 8:46 am

Making it up as they go along.

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 8:48 am

HindleA wrote:Making it up as they go along.
Worse
government put thought into it before wheeling it out

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 8:49 am

bastards

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 8:53 am

Grenfell happened a year ago?
Time goes by so quickly

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 8:58 am

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Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 9:02 am

Good morfternoon.

At least he managed to make me smile a bit:

He [Hilary Benn] said that remaining in the EEA, which includes membership of the single market, was not a perfect solution. But it was better than all the others.

[He said,] “It has the one great advantage – it at least looks like a lifeboat." (Guardian - my emphasis)


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jun/13/labour-jeremy-corbyn-backbench-revolt-75-mps-brexit-vote

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 9:25 am

After all the hype there was only one resignation from the Labour front bench above PPS level - somebody voting *against* the amendment.

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 9:39 am

https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/13066

Changes in councils’ adult social care and overall service spending in England, 2009–10 to 2017–18

SC
"9% lower per person"

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 9:41 am

"These are close friends of the Conservative party. As one senior representative of a leading business organisation says:
“Over the past two years, most company bosses would never risk saying openly that Brexit is turning out to be a disaster, in case it scared off their best staff.”'

The Tories’ chaotic Brexit has lost the trust of business – and jobs will go
Aditya Chakrabortty

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... heresa-may
(cJA emphasis)
Staff members probably understand without the heads' up.
I'm more than annoyed with what I've emphasised above and I'm not entirely sure why. It's as though people matter to business as tools used, nothing more. I may be mistaken; I may be reading too little or too much into it. I'm unhappy with business and political leadership cavalierly negotiating with millions of peoples' lives. People aren't tools. They don't go on a shelf when convenient for business remaining there until they're needed again. Spreadsheet analysis involving human beings is repugnant to me.

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 9:41 am

Purposeful harm enacted on the population

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 9:42 am

HindleA wrote:https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/13066

Changes in councils’ adult social care and overall service spending in England, 2009–10 to 2017–18

SC
"9% lower per person"

oh jesus christ
that's people dead before their time

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 9:45 am

Increased charging,heightened eligibility

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 9:49 am

Blame people for living longer/not dying quickly enough when sick/disabled.Of course,this is going into reverse for some inexplicable bloody obvious reason.

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 9:53 am

Definately more limited lives.The pressure outwith on systems is clear to see by such neglect,the evidence of less likely life extension without,is ample.

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 10:32 am

High Court finds,again,Government guilty of discrimination and breaking the law against disabled people in implementing their misanthropy.

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 10:33 am

https://www.leighday.co.uk/News/News-20 ... Credit-fin

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 10:33 am

As ever,the "vulnerable" at the vanguard.

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 10:36 am

Evil,end of.

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 10:47 am

Transitional protection of course is still a cut.

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 10:53 am

HindleA wrote:Evil,end of.
yes, government know what they're doing

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 10:53 am

If you really are "protecting the vulnerable",you wouldn't have to say it.

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 10:55 am

HindleA wrote:If you really are "protecting the vulnerable",you wouldn't have to say it.
good observation

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 11:11 am

It's not small state government, Tory leadership, they love controlling
Their state is huge

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 11:19 am

HindleA wrote:https://www.leighday.co.uk/News/News-2018/June-2018/First-legal-challenge-against-Universal-Credit-fin


First legal challenge against Universal Credit finds Government acted unlawfully

"" Prior to moving, both TP and AR were in receipt of the Severe Disability Premium (SDP) and Enhanced Disability Premium (EDP), which were specifically aimed at meeting the additional care needs of severely disabled people living alone with no carer.

Recently released figures from the DWP suggest that 500,000 individuals are in receipt of the SDP . Both the SDP and EDP have been axed and are not available under Universal Credit.

When they moved both TP and AR were required to make a claim for Universal Credit as they moved into local authorities where the controversial new benefit was being rolled out. According to both the men, they were advised by DWP staff that their benefit entitlement would not change.""

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 11:27 am

citizenJA wrote:It's not small state government, Tory leadership, they love controlling
Their state is huge


Small state where it suits them, ie when it affects "other people".

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 11:42 am

Socialism is very popular when it comes to expensive flood protection measures to safeguard privately owned houses.

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 11:58 am

Willow904 wrote:Socialism is very popular when it comes to expensive flood protection measures to safeguard privately owned houses.

And all those European Agencies are very popular when it appears we would lose the masses of advantages with a hard brexit --

/12-brexit-cherries-the-uk-wants-to-pick/

https://www.politico.eu/article/12-brex ... s-to-pick/

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 12:01 pm

@frog

Indeed,as well as similar "complexities" or attending to actual circumstances,views differ,under the guise of simplification.Frustrating at the time that the "agree in principle"took hold,now constrained by past utterations etc.As,I boringly state complexity, evidential introduced attending to situations,differing societal changes,practices,intentions,particular away from institutions and facillitating self care/care in own home hard fought for isn't a problem but bloody essential.

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 12:04 pm

Willow904 wrote:Socialism is very popular when it comes to expensive flood protection measures to safeguard privately owned houses.


"Socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor".

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 12:27 pm

From the memorandum of understanding about legislative consent motions (the issue causing a problem about devolved powers at the moment).

14. The United Kingdom Parliament retains authority to legislate on any issue, whether devolved or not. It is ultimately for Parliament to decide what use to make of that power. However, the UK Government will proceed in accordance with the convention that the UK Parliament would not normally legislate with regard to devolved matters except with the agreement of the devolved legislature. The devolved administrations will be responsible for seeking such agreement as may be required for this purpose on an approach from the UK Government.


So the UK government's case is that (1) we have authority to proceed where we want to and (2) these are not normal circumstances and therefore (3) we can proceed as we want to.

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 1:08 pm

The Queen holds weekly audiences with The Prime Minister where they discuss Government matters.
---
Although The Queen is politically neutral, she is kept up-to-date with political affairs and retains the right to express her views during these meetings.

https://www.royal.uk/audiences
This isn't made clear on the UK's Parliamentary website
I don't like this at all

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 1:09 pm

'she's not a nice old lady, Tim...she's a gangster...'

https://youtu.be/8GEpUphfykc
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Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 1:11 pm

she could gift every UK citizen a house and annuity and still have plenty stashed in her handbag

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 1:14 pm

Her resources don't get to hide behind 'political neutrality' when UK citizens are burned or turfed out of their homes, visiting foodbanks and going without healthcare

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 1:18 pm

Robert Peston

@Peston

I am hearing Tory rebel Remainers are happy with government’s redrafting of amendment giving MPs a “meaningful vote” on Brexit deal or no-deal. “We are in a good place”, says one. Which presumably means True Brexiters won’t be. Hello @Jacob_Rees_Mogg
2:03 PM - Jun 14, 2018 (Politics Live, Guardian)

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 1:23 pm

citizenJA wrote:she could gift every UK citizen a house and annuity and still have plenty stashed in her handbag



"It's a waste of time if you know what they mean
Try shaking your box in front of the Queen
'Cause her purse is fat and bursting at the seams
It's a waste of time if you know what they mean"

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 1:59 pm

Apropos of not much in particular, apparently one of the PMs that Brenda got on best with back in the day was Harold Wilson.

Re: Thursday 14th June 2018

Thu 14 Jun, 2018 2:37 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Apropos of not much in particular, apparently one of the PMs that Brenda got on best with back in the day was Harold Wilson.

'all you Labour MPs fall in love with the Queen'
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