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Perhaps ye old system built up over decades wasn't as bad after all.UC more to administer,my word.This is only some benefits/versions of benefits,reminder,despite the replaces six benefits common misrepresentation.

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Ed Miliband was in Chesterfield,apparently and didn't let me know.Then again I was in Doncaster last weekend changing trains and didn't tell him.

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Lewisham East result

LAB: 50.2% (-17.7)
LDEM: 24.6% (+20.2)
CON: 14.4% (-8.6)
GRN: 3.6% (+1.9)
WEP: 2.3% (+2.3)
UKIP: 1.7% (+0.0)

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Despite evidence that universal credit is failing to deliver on its core promises, the NAO concludes that it is too complex and would cost too much to halt the programme at this stage. “There is really no practical choice but to keep on keeping on with the rollout,” said Morse.

I might read a bit of the report to see how he arrives at that conclusion because I can't see it, myself. The old system is still there if 90% of claimants are still on it.
Morse of all people should understand the concept of a sunk cost.

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Well done to Janet Daby in Lewisham.

So she is pro-EU

So she is a "moderate"

So she is not Momentum

And she won the seat with a reduced majority and a "resurgent" Lib Dem vote.

Myself, I would read nothing much into the result, but what do you think loads of folk on Twitter are saying?


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Well done to Janet Daby in Lewisham.

So she is pro-EU

So she is a "moderate"

So she is not Momentum

And she won the seat with a reduced majority and a "resurgent" Lib Dem vote.

Myself, I would read nothing much into the result, but what do you think loads of folk on Twitter are saying?



I'm sure they're saying 'A LibDem revival is bad news for the Conservatives and could cost them scores of seats across the south and west of England'.

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Well done to Janet Daby in Lewisham.

So she is pro-EU

So she is a "moderate"

So she is not Momentum

And she won the seat with a reduced majority and a "resurgent" Lib Dem vote.

Myself, I would read nothing much into the result, but what do you think loads of folk on Twitter are saying?



I'm sure they're saying 'A LibDem revival is bad news for the Conservatives and could cost them scores of seats across the south and west of England'.


:lol:

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@Gilsey "agreement on principle",won't help.Fundamental error,now confined to tweaking utterations rather than ditching.

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Charities etc speaking for/what people want incredibly frustrating.No price can be put on receiving bespoke support/recognition of particular situation.Pants to single payment.Keep it complex,not least for knowing why each.

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Here you go Adam - finally someone as smart as you

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There is a serious point behind this, which is that even a modest Lib Dem recovery quickly costs the Tories seats, if you play around with a swing calculator

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Here's a funny quirk from this by-election. If the Lab vote and Con vote went down proportionally in all seats as they did in Lewisham and the Libs picked up accordingly, Lab would lose only 8 seats to LD but actually pick up 35 from Con!


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Despite evidence that universal credit is failing to deliver on its core promises, the NAO concludes that it is too complex and would cost too much to halt the programme at this stage. “There is really no practical choice but to keep on keeping on with the rollout,” said Morse.
I might read a bit of the report to see how he arrives at that conclusion because I can't see it, myself. The old system is still there if 90% of claimants are still on it.
Morse of all people should understand the concept of a sunk cost.

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You're right, shocking
The NAO's analysis of UC is unequivocal - more expensive, less effective, causing widespread hardship

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"The programme has necessitated a number of changes which have become increasingly embedded across the Department. It would be so complex and costly to return to legacy benefits at this stage that the NAO believes there is no practical alternative but to continue with Universal Credit."

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Charities etc speaking for/what people want incredibly frustrating.No price can be put on receiving bespoke support/recognition of particular situation.Pants to single payment.Keep it complex,not least for knowing why each.

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Well done to Janet Daby in Lewisham.

So she is pro-EU

So she is a "moderate"

So she is not Momentum

And she won the seat with a reduced majority and a "resurgent" Lib Dem vote.

Myself, I would read nothing much into the result, but what do you think loads of folk on Twitter are saying?


She is a "moderate" who twice voted for Corbyn as leader.


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@Gilsey "agreement on principle",won't help.Fundamental error,now confined to tweaking utterations rather than ditching.


What's most frustrating is that the last Labour government did look at the possibility of universal credit and rejected it, so they were agreeing "in principle" to what they already knew was virtually impossible to implement effectively and would therefore have a very high likelihood of inflicting a great deal of problems and difficulties on the poorest in society.

They have also failed to get across the hugely unfair cuts to many benefits to new claimants that Universal Credit is also harbouring. The fact that current recipients of various benefits get more money than new claimants is wrong on every level.

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They've hardly started with some benefits/situations.Not just a mess internally but external/in between as well.Many are on both/move between.We would have had a grand reduction of one for some of the time.

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Ie excludes non means tested,CT etc.

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That Osborne nearly abolished CA under its guise as a stand alone you would have thought would have alerted them

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Roughly half not under UC.

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Which would have made them more likely to need UC Thick as pig shit as someone once tweeted.

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Anyway, the FBPE delusionality about the Lewisham result is amusing me today.


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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Anyway, the FBPE delusionality about the Lewisham result is amusing me today.


I like "delusionality" ! Are the FBPE born-again Corbynistas ?

"" She is a "moderate" who twice voted for Corbyn as leader.""

I'm quite moderate too, and might well have voted for JC too, given the Blairism of the others .

Is Ameliya from Saint Petersburg ?

WatO interviewee right now giving the government position on UC the works , at length, killer- stuff .

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Is Ameliya from Saint Petersburg ?







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Anyway, the FBPE delusionality about the Lewisham result is amusing me today.


I like "delusionality" ! Are the FBPE born-again Corbynistas ?


Many of them are *actually* like what Corbynistas are supposed to be (but actually aren't, for the most part)


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Anyway, the FBPE delusionality about the Lewisham result is amusing me today.


I like "delusionality" ! Are the FBPE born-again Corbynistas ?

"" She is a "moderate" who twice voted for Corbyn as leader.""

I'm quite moderate too, and might well have voted for JC too, given the Blairism of the others .

Is Ameliya from Saint Petersburg ?

WatO interviewee right now giving the government position on UC the works , at length, killer- stuff .

Dame Louise Casey .


I'm going to stick my neck out here and suggest there might be more than one Ameliya in the world.

We haven't had a newbie in a while. Some different views would be refreshing.

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Anyway, the FBPE delusionality about the Lewisham result is amusing me today.


I like "delusionality" ! Are the FBPE born-again Corbynistas ?


Many of them are *actually* like what Corbynistas are supposed to be (but actually aren't, for the most part)


The danger of using a tag like that is that a very few malicious trolls can easily infiltrate and ratchet up the group think and bubble effect.
I have also seen some speculation that Corbyn supporting social media has been targeted by Russian fake news bots, purely because it's such a big and far reaching network.
I think we have to assume we are all being exposed to a lot of false social media these days, however careful we are about trying to sift out the propaganda.

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Brexit: Antoinette Sandbach on DExEU and the cabinet
Some members of the cabinet are “undermining” Theresa May as the PM tries to “bring the party together” over Brexit, said Conservative MP Antoinette Sandbach.
She told Daily Politics presenter Jo Coburn the prime minister's efforts to draw up a compromise amendment they could all sign up to had been “hijacked at the last minute”.
The Eddisbury MP added that it appeared the Department for Exiting the EU (DExEU) had "got involved" and an amendment had been introduced that would reduce Parliament to a “school debating chamber”.


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At least it seems her tendency in the party has noticed. But, as ever, what will they actually *do* about it?


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I suppose everyone's watching the footie, or The Bridge ?

Will be watching The Bridge later, so no spoilers, ta.

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Away from the Lewisham excitement (?) two local council byelections this week:

Doncaster - Labour hold, with approaching half the vote, in a ward where they won all 3 seats in the all-out elections of 2017 and 2015 (when the present boundaries were created) but with other parties competitive. Three years ago that included UKIP who took second, their disappearance last year helped boost the regionalist Yorkshire Party whose candidate took the runners up spot with a quarter of the vote. They stayed second now, but their share was little changed whilst Labour improved markedly; third place was taken by the Greens who also held their ground compared with a year ago, enabling them to overtake the Tories whose share halved to 11%. LibDems (who had some strength in the predecessor wards here once upon a time) and finally an Independent with just 2% occupied the also-ran places.

Southwark - another deferred poll from last month saw a close contest between Labour and the LibDems narrowly settled in the latter's favour, though a relatively close popular vote breakdown of 44% versus 41% proved enough to (just) get them all three places in this redrawn division created by boundary changes. The two predecessor wards to this (covering a somewhat bigger area) had 6 councillors which split 5Lib/1Lab at the last elections in 2014 after a long period of total LibDem dominance (this is the old patch of Simon Hughes and even after his departure LibDem support has not collapsed as it has in some other similar environs) and this sort of result did not come as a complete surprise. Tories narrowly squeezed out the Greens for 3rd in the battle of the also-rans, though the Greens putting up just 2 candidates helped their top placed runner come ahead of the final Tory.

Next week is a busy one, with 11 contests in all - including the last two delayed elections from May.


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