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My grandad was still paying medical bills in the '50's some ten years after his wife died.


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It's not what you say but what you don't.Admission by omission,you can't possibly argue "it's working"

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It's not what you say but what you don't.Admission by omission,you can't possibly argue "it's working"

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16° this morning !!!!!

JaguarLandRover adding their voice to the brexitery, some first thoughts on that --

Owen Patterson versus Justin wotsit on Toady , “” wishing away all tariffs anywhere, we’ve got to make the UK world-competitive, we’ll do freetrade around the world, we’ll get cheaper carparts from other forriners thus obliging the EU to become more efficient (!) , not feasible to not respect the wishes of 85% of voters in the last election ( ??? ! ) etc !

This Canadian example is one among many … a Mexican couple working for far lower wages, but still able to afford their own home demonstrates that ‘other things are rarely equal’ ** —

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HyIEYZOPMs



With increased robotisation labour costs matter less and less, and there have even been factory repatriations , from China, but economies of huge scale and tight profit margins still make labour costs a factor.

There was and is an argument for tariffs to protect infant industries/economies, well that worked for many in the 19th and 20th Centuries. Now I wonder if we need some tariffs to protect societies in relative decline ? The old 'freetrade' dogma on (very fast) free movement of capital is another which is being revisited in some places.

The brexiteers appear to welcome the future massacre of most UK farming , much of which is already losing money, but of course it's a price worth paying for ... er ... what exactly ?

A race to the bottom!

** Econ 101 “ceteris paribus”– other things being equal …therefore XYZ .


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Morning all.

I came across an interesting plan the other day for a large double-fronted house being built for a physician & surgeon back in 1895.

There was a large waiting room off the hall next to the consulting room behind which there was a dispensary.

But behind that there was a much smaller room at he back which had been designated "Club patients." This had a completely separate entrance to it from the outside and which was at the side of the house. Making sure they didn't mix with the decent folk who could afford a better service no doubt...

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Morning all.

I came across an interesting plan the other day for a large double-fronted house being built for a physician & surgeon back in 1895.

There was a large waiting room off the hall next to the consulting room behind which there was a dispensary.

But behind that there was a much smaller room at he back which had been designated "Club patients." This had a completely separate entrance to it from the outside and which was at the side of the house. Making sure they didn't mix with the decent folk who could afford a better service no doubt...


I worked for a biggish law form once that divided it's business fairly equally between the usual county town private client stuff and a big legal aid crime, family, housing and civil liberties practice. They oh-so-cleverly had separate waiting rooms that were officially 'smoking or non-smoking'.

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https://mainlymacro.blogspot.com/2018/07/brexit-endgame.html

Brexit: The Endgame

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A true statesman of a Prime Minister would say I did the best I could, but for the sake of peace in Ireland and the unity of the UK Brexit cannot happen, and so the best thing for the UK to do is to remain in the EU.

Which should have been obvious to Cameron in 2015.

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Conservative MP Owen Paterson thinks Jaguar Land Rover are wrong to worry about a hard Brexit.

Paterson, a Brexit supporter, told Radio 4’s Today programme that JLR would be in a “wonderful position” once Britain has left the single market and the customs union.

Why does the G even bother with this garbage?

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FFS like watching a four year old.Apologies to four year olds.


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FFS like watching a four year old.Apologies to four year olds.

McVile I presume. Can't watch or listen to her myself.

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Conservative MP Owen Paterson thinks Jaguar Land Rover are wrong to worry about a hard Brexit.

Paterson, a Brexit supporter, told Radio 4’s Today programme that JLR would be in a “wonderful position” once Britain has left the single market and the customs union.

Why does the G even bother with this garbage?


More to the point, why does the Today programme?


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As also pointed out, such an outcome wouldn't really dismay him as it means longer on the MEP gravy train.


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As also pointed out, such an outcome wouldn't really dismay him as it means longer on the MEP gravy train.


Quite - and many more chances of not being present at Fisheries committee hearings...

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Given the 70th Birthday of the NHS today it seems appropriate to post this from last year.

Jeremy Hunt claims a Tory was the true founder of the NHS – that’s rubbish

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/nov/01/jeremy-hunt-claims-a-tory-was-the-true-founder-of-the-nhs-thats-rubbish

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Indeed, when Nye Bevan’s comprehensive national health service bill was voted into law in 1946, Sir Winston Churchill, Sir Anthony Eden, Harold Macmillan, Rab Butler and other notable Tories voted against it – including Mr Willink himself, who had by then proposed a hostile amendment to the bill.


Facts eh?

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Gareth Southgate, manager of the England men's football team, said that if England fail to beat Sweden on Saturday then they will be out of the World Cup.

Owen Paterson, the Conservative Brexiter and former environment secretary, was asked about this and claimed that Southgate had got it all wrong. If England were to be knocked out of the World Cup then the team would be “better off”, he claimed, and more likely to succeed in the competition.

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"Commons only passes Bills; but it is the men and women outside who can make them living realities. Now that we are reaching the conclusion, let me hope that the echoes of controversy will die down, and that what will reach our ears will not be the declamations of partisans, but the whispers and the piteous appeals of sick people all over the country, of the weak and distressed, who are reaching out their hands to this House of Commons to give them succour and assistance in their difficulties. I believe that, eventually, it will be that small voice that will be heard, and that will be most influential, and not the raucous declamations of controversialism "

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Risking some controversy, these are the four areas of dispute that are omitted from Labour's new proposed definitions of work on anti-semitism:-

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- Accusing Jewish people of being more loyal to Israel than their home country;
- Claiming that Israel’s existence as a state is a racist endeavour;
- Requiring higher standards of behaviour from Israel than other nations; and
- Comparing contemporary Israeli policies to those of the Nazis.


One at a time...

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Accusing Jewish people of being more loyal to Israel than their home country;


I think this is quite a common racist trope - it was certainly levelled at Kennedy - and at Al Smith as a candidate before him - that he couldn't be trusted as President because he'd take his orders from the Vatican, and you see it in Tebbit's 'Cricket Test'. I don't really get why there might be a problem with this.

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Claiming that Israel’s existence as a state is a racist endeavour;


The problem with this is that if you sub the R word with 'deeply problematic' or 'fundamentally controversial' it's simply a statement of fact. I don't think that EDIT - it's difficult to argue that racism - discrimination based on racial identities, however they might be constructed - plays a significant part in Israel's policies towards her neighbours - that there is a complete absence of respect for Arabic land rights, for example. It feels like that the test has been phrased to challenge people to fail it.

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Requiring higher standards of behaviour from Israel than other nations;


Far too open to interpretation. I think I would expect all nations not to order their soldiers not to fire live ammunition into crowds of civilian protesters in any circumstances. It's a fundamental of the rule of law since before the enlightenment that you need to respect land rights unless - as in the US - you just dehumanise a particular (racial) group and afford them no or different legal rights to own and protect property.

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Comparing contemporary Israeli policies to those of the Nazis.


Like the first one, i don't really have a problem with this - it's almost a cliche to point out that it is too often the product of lazy thinking. If nothing else, political opponents of the state of Israel shouldn't do it because the moment you do nobody you are arguing with will even pretend to listen to a word you say.

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gilsey wrote:
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https://mainlymacro.blogspot.com/2018/07/brexit-endgame.html

Brexit: The Endgame

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A true statesman of a Prime Minister would say I did the best I could, but for the sake of peace in Ireland and the unity of the UK Brexit cannot happen, and so the best thing for the UK to do is to remain in the EU.

Which should have been obvious to Cameron in 2015.


Which could equally apply to Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn ...


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"Skreepal" or "Skripple"?

Vote now . . .


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HindleA wrote:
https://mainlymacro.blogspot.com/2018/07/brexit-endgame.html

Brexit: The Endgame

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A true statesman of a Prime Minister would say I did the best I could, but for the sake of peace in Ireland and the unity of the UK Brexit cannot happen, and so the best thing for the UK to do is to remain in the EU.

Which should have been obvious to Cameron in 2015.


Which could equally apply to Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn ...


Point being, they didn't go ahead with the referendum - he did.


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I don't remember us making a fuss about previous NHS 'birthdays'?
Possibly a depressing sign that we don't take it so much for granted.

There are some lovely stories in the G blog.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/liv ... rvice-live

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Brexit: The Endgame[/quote]
tl;dr
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A true statesman of a Prime Minister would say I did the best I could, but for the sake of peace in Ireland and the unity of the UK Brexit cannot happen, and so the best thing for the UK to do is to remain in the EU.

Which should have been obvious to Cameron in 2015.[/quote]

Which could equally apply to Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn ...[/quote]

Point being, they didn't go ahead with the referendum - he did.[/quote]

AK -- I believe Wren-Lewis was refering to a post-referendum about-face ?

Which is still open to May and eventually Corbyn .


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I don't remember us making a fuss about previous NHS 'birthdays'?
Possibly a depressing sign that we don't take it so much for granted.

There are some lovely stories in the G blog.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/liv ... rvice-live


I remember some stuff for the 60th and 40th anniversaries (though I struggle to recall much around its 50th, strangely enough)


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And, since we’re talking about a possible UK/US trade deal, this, from the Telegraph’s Europe editor Peter Foster, is interesting.


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Indeed. I dined recently with head of one of Britain's largest business groups.

QUOTE: "Not a single one of my members wants a trade deal with the US"

ME: Why?

CHIEF: Because outside high end products they could never compete - on scale, on costs, on social costs.
4:11 PM - Jul 5, 2018 (Politics Live, Guardian - my emphasis)


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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
gilsey wrote:
I don't remember us making a fuss about previous NHS 'birthdays'?
Possibly a depressing sign that we don't take it so much for granted.

There are some lovely stories in the G blog.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/liv ... rvice-live


I remember some stuff for the 60th and 40th anniversaries (though I struggle to recall much around its 50th, strangely enough)


Incidentally, I'd believed for the forty years overseas that I could just quote my NHS number from memory, and then if necessary produce the card . Simple enough, it was "ABCD" 9 !

My parents mustr have been quick off the mark (I was already 8 months old ) .


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All going swimmingly in the run up to Chequers

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Tim Stanley was having a whinge…


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Now, why would May consult Merkel rather than the far superior brains of Fox, Davis and Boris? Let me think...nope, can't fathom that one...

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She already knows what they "believe" in - FREE UNICORNS FOR ALL!!


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Crace -- davis-and-mcVile -up-the-ante-in-game-of-sack-me-if-you-dare

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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
All going swimmingly in the run up to Chequers

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -and-goods

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"" A draft of May’s proposal was leaked on Thursday, including a line saying it wouldn’t “allow the U.K. to accommodate a likely ask from the U.S. in a future trade deal.” That upset Brexiteers in the cabinet who have made an American trade deal one of their key aims.""

What about AMERICA FIRST do those brexiteers not understand ?

Current events surely can't be helping their case .


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So much wasted talent in British politics. Half the Cabinet should clearly have been managing an auto or aerospace company.



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I saw a bloke named Paul Everitt from the ADS* being interviewed on TV about "Brexit". He was calm and informative. But where was he in the run-up?

* ADS is the Premier Trade Organisation for companies in the UK Aerospace, Defence, Security and Space Sectors. Membership is made up of over 1000 UK registered businesses.

ADS activities are focused around the following key areas:

Supporting business development opportunities
Supporting UK manufacturing and our industries’ supply chains
Influencing the policy debates of most importance to our industries
Encouraging investments in technology and innovation
Enhancing the profile of our industries
Increasing Member value through a range of services (from the ADS website)


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