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 Post subject: Monday 9th July 2018
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PM @Theresa_May and Brexit Secretary @DavidDavisMP today signed commemorative copies of the EU (Withdrawal) Act for each of the ministers who worked on this crucial piece of Brexit legislation.

28/6

I wonder whose bright idea that was ?


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Newspaper headlines at the live thread

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/li ... ve-updates

Earlier on Toady, when it’s not Reesmogg et al it's Mr Weatherspoons

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Interesting set of developments overnight...and this is spot on.

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Grayling?

Oh my...desperation really has set in...

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According to the Press Association, the Brexit department does not actually know whether Suella Braverman has resigned or not as a Brexit minister.

Last night it was reported that she had quit with David Davis and Steve Baker, her fellow Brexit ministers. (See 00.51am.) Braverman (Suella Fernandes until she married) was Jacob Rees-Mogg’s predecessor as chair of the European Research Group, and is a very hardline Brexiter.

But this morning it is being said she is staying. (Politics Live, Guardian)


What a state to be in!


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Grayling?

Oh my...desperation really has set in...

He has got a track record for taking back control, though...
http://eveningharold.com/2018/05/17/gra ... eferendum/
"Grayling will ‘take back control’ of East Coast Rail two years after referendum" ;)


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Oh my...desperation really has set in...


What - as a suggested replacement for Theresa May? If that's what you mean, where did you hear it, please?

He'd go from being Failing Grayling to Flailing Grayling in one seamless move.

Half asleep when I posted the above. Floated as a possible David Davis replacement, presumably. (Although events have now moved on.)


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"According to the Press Association, the Brexit department does not actually know whether Suella Braverman has resigned or not as a Brexit minister."


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I just said that. Pay attention at the back, please . . .


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Morning.

Lot's of huffing and puffing from Tory Brexiters this morning. May will have to change her mind, apparently. Have none of them processed what she agreed to in December and the direction of travel she has already committed to? The funniest thing about all this is that the Brexiters (bar Rees-Mogg) have been swearing blind we wouldn't reduce any of our standards for a trade deal with the US but are now complaining May's plan would prevent us from reducing our standards to get a trade deal with the US!

What this is really about, of course, is that the EU will reject May's plan and judging from Brexiter reactions today she is suspected of planning to give even more ground towards soft Brexit. This is either the last dying throes of hard Brexit or the early rumblings of a Tory party finally being cracked asunder on the rocks of Europe. Best guesses to which way we're headed? Victory for Tory remainers or Tory party Armageddon? Or will May fudge it yet again and pander to hardliner demands? Hard to see that happening with big business piping up for a customs union and her December agreement driving a bus through her red lines.

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Morning all.

Interesting set of developments overnight...and this is spot on.

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This is the problem. It’s easy to talk up a different Brexit, but 2 years on from the referendum proponents of a harder exit still haven’t produced a plan for what it would actually look like.

Exactly. You read DD's letter and it's full of what May's doing wrong but still no practical alternatives, he seems to have learned nothing from his 2 years 'negotiating' with the EU.

I'd rather try and predict the result of ENGCRO than what happens next re Brexit.

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Bloody hell it's raining.
Only haar, but still.

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I'm currently thoroughly confused about politics. I don't know what's going on or what to say.
My online devices are giving me grief.
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Bloody hell it's raining.
Only haar, but still.

Can you give the general vicinity? Is it somewhere in the UK?


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There will be no negotiation. It is simply a matter of the EU doing what it has always done – standing by its rule book & inviting UK to continue to adopt it post-Brexit or else lose tariff free access to SM. Only Brexit fantasists think the UK is in any position to negotiate.

This is what DD has failed to learn, in a nutshell.

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Bloody hell it's raining.
Only haar, but still.

Can you give the general vicinity? Is it somewhere in the UK?

North Yorkshire, about 20 miles from the North sea.

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Screwing up my display settings, among other things
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what the hell am I supposed to do with all that privacy and user agreement information, for example?
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gilsey wrote:
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Bloody hell it's raining.
Only haar, but still.

Can you give the general vicinity? Is it somewhere in the UK?

North Yorkshire, about 20 miles from the North sea.

Sounds wonderful
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It's Dominic Raab for DExEU.

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I'm currently thoroughly confused about politics. I don't know what's going on or what to say.


You are far from alone there, don't worry.


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It's Dominic Raab for DExEU.

Live thread 10.54 "" 1 - Dominic Raab is a prominent Brexiter, and so Theresa May is continuing with the principle that has generally governed her emergency cabinet reshuffles of “like-for-like” replacement of remainers and leavers. (In that respect, the UK increasingly resembles one of those foreign states where posts in government are divided up amongst religious sects.) Raab played a leading role in the Vote Leave campaign. But he is generally seen as one of the more pragmatic and cerebral Brexiters, and not a hardline ideologue.""

Implying that others are less pragmatic and cerebral :-)

Thinking of those ... the brexit broadcasting corp gave Mr Weatherspoon a disgracefully easy time this morning .


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Implying that others are less pragmatic and cerebral :-)

Thinking of those ... the brexit broadcasting corp gave Mr Weatherspoon a disgracefully easy time this morning .


What else do you expect from John Harrumphries?


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I'm currently thoroughly confused about politics. I don't know what's going on or what to say.


You are far from alone there, don't worry.


Steve Baker is saying that his department didn't know what was going to be in her proposals before Friday's meeting - that she changed them late on without telling them.

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Jacob Rees-Mogg, the Conservative chair of the pro-Brexit European Research Group who seems to appear on TV roughly every ten minutes today

Ambitious, me ?
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Dr Philip Lee (ohso's Tory MP) now calling for A50 to be suspended......


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This is good on David Davis

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/07 ... he-swagger

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Anybody else seen the Melanie Phillips "plan" to solve this impasse? :D :rofl: :sick: :toss: :lol:


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Snap! Just came here to post the same. A nice neat summary of an incompetent.


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Boris Johnson has gone awol.

Melanie Philips needs to take a few deep breaths.

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Anybody else seen the Melanie Phillips "plan" to solve this impasse? :D :rofl: :sick: :toss: :lol:

She's not called Mad Mel for nothing. :D

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This is good on David Davis

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/07 ... he-swagger

david-davis-in-the-end-there-was-nothing-behind-the-swagger

Certainly nobody has ever described DD as cerebral.

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Anybody else seen the Melanie Phillips "plan" to solve this impasse? :D :rofl: :sick: :toss: :lol:
Will you please post a link? I'm having difficulty with the computer I use.


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Boris Johnson has gone awol.

Melanie Philips needs to take a few deep breaths.
Make Farage a peer & new Tory PM?
She's serious?


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Can we have some meaningful and wholesome democratic reforms in government, please?
Apologies if we've had this already; it's from yesterday's Observer
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Johnson's quit.

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Anybody else seen the Melanie Phillips "plan" to solve this impasse? :D :rofl: :sick: :toss: :lol:
Will you please post a link? I'm having difficulty with the computer I use.


Draft Farage into the House of Lords and make him tory leader and Prime Minister.

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Anybody else seen the Melanie Phillips "plan" to solve this impasse? :D :rofl: :sick: :toss: :lol:
Will you please post a link? I'm having difficulty with the computer I use.


Draft Farage into the House of Lords and make him tory leader and Prime Minister.

Thank you


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#George Eaton

There’s a worrying possibility that Donald Trump will be put in charge of Brexit when he arrives on Thursday.


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It will be interesting to see Theresa May's imminent appearance in the Commons.


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Boris Johnson goes out in a blaze of dereliction of duty (COBRA meeting no-show, ditto Western Balkans summit).


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Theresa May's new Brexit secretary previously called for Britain to use negotiations with the EU to scrap workers' rights.

Dominic Raab, who appointed to lead Brexit negotiations after David Davis dramatically quit on Sunday, authored a paper calling for Britain to negotiate opt-outs from EU employment regulations, including those that guarantee employees time off and limit the number of hours staff can be made to work.

He also opposed rules that give long-term agency workers the same rights as full-time staff, and those that stop people being sacked if their company changes owner.

The revelation is likely to fuel fears that Brexit could be used to remove currently guaranteed by EU laws.

The Independent has previously revealed that a government document suggested workers rights could be reviewed after Britain leaves the EU as part of a process of “maximising regulatory opportunities” to boost the economy.

Labour said Mr Raab had 'has long harboured ambitions to slash vital workplace protections'.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 38706.html

Negotiations in safe hands then!


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Boris Johnson goes out in a blaze of dereliction of duty (COBRA meeting no-show, ditto Western Balkans summit).

Unconscionable, his blowing off the COBRA meeting

please turn the page


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