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Former education secretary calls Theresa May’s Chequers plan ‘a fudge I can’t support’

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Jo Johnson, the then minister for universities and science who overruled the Boaty McBoatface vote,


David Mitchell on the exact point I woke up thinking this morning. The will of the people was that Boaty McBoatface would be called Boaty McBoatface, but a member of our artistocratic Johnson family decided the will of the people was wrong on this occasion so didn't matter. As Mitchell summarises:

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Jo Johnson was originally called Twatty McTwatface

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There were free ones at the NY Marathon I may have had a few to the extent of feeling sick,suffice to say it was pitch dark when I finished in Central Park.It was November.

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Goes though the five boroughs,which are?

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Acknowledging the personal ambition and ideology that cloud the political debate, he says a scientific approach would not go amiss because “thinking scientifically is the opposite of thinking ideologically”.


Yes, I've never met a scientist with any personal ambition at all.

I wonder if Professor Cox has read much on the sociology of science.

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Goes though the five boroughs,which are?


uhm...

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You know them,starts on a bridge-Staten Island,Brooklyn,Queens,The Bronx,Manhattan.

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You know them,starts on a bridge-Staten Island,Brooklyn,Queens,The Bronx,Manhattan.


Yeah - was just testing ....

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Not really,you just open your mouth and stuff them in.

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tinyclanger2 wrote:
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Why Boaty McBoatface had to be torpedoed
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... tenborough

Jo Johnson, the then minister for universities and science who overruled the Boaty McBoatface vote,


David Mitchell on the exact point I woke up thinking this morning. The will of the people was that Boaty McBoatface would be called Boaty McBoatface, but a member of our artistocratic Johnson family decided the will of the people was wrong on this occasion so didn't matter. As Mitchell summarises:

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Sometimes someone has to step in to stop something crazy happening – something terrible that does lasting damage. But only if it’s a really important issue, like a boat being given a silly name.


I was astonished that some of my interweb mates liked that atrocity of a name .

About as suitable as calling a newborn child "DeepFriedMarsBar" :-)


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Acknowledging the personal ambition and ideology that cloud the political debate, he says a scientific approach would not go amiss because “thinking scientifically is the opposite of thinking ideologically”.


Yes, I've never met a scientist with any personal ambition at all.

I wonder if Professor Cox has read much on the sociology of science.

TC2 -- shall we start Professor Cox's reading with Thomas Kuhn's "Structure of Scientific Revolutions" ?

On differences of analysis between scientists, Tizard and Lindemann is a classic --

/massacre-by-miscalculation-britains-targeting-of-german-cities-was-not-only-immoral-but-a-waste-of-

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/ma ... 82396.html


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DeepFriedMarsBar McBoatFace, born with a greasy spoon is his mouth & a bounty on his head.


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AS an alternative to that Forrin Word,

I give you — The Enemy Within

“” “In 2017, Labour Party officials became so good at targeting Facebook ads, they were able to deceive Jeremy Corbyn about the kind of campaign they were running,” wrote Mr Baldwin, the author of Ctrl Alt Delete: How Politics and the Media Crashed Our Democracy, in the Sunday Times.

“When they were told to pay for nationwide ads they regarded as madcap, such as one on voter registration, they made sure that few saw such messages except a tiny slice of left-wing activists.”

“Before the 2017 election, I remember rebutting endless stories that could only have come from selective leaking by HQ, so this latest revelation is no surprise,” Matt Zarb-Cousin, Jeremy Corbyn’s former spokesman, told The Independent
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 48036.html

That particular example seems so nutty that it’s difficult to believe, but never underestimate the Power of Stupidity !


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Prohibitive’ £3,655 fee for medicinal cannabis licences under review amid protests from campaigners

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 48361.html

This one was new to me, needs follow-up :

UK Drugs Minister opposes cannabis law reform while her husband profits from a license to grow it

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DeepFriedMarsBar McBoatFace, born with a greasy spoon is his mouth & a bounty on his head.

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frog222 wrote:
AS an alternative to that Forrin Word,

I give you — The Enemy Within

“” “In 2017, Labour Party officials became so good at targeting Facebook ads, they were able to deceive Jeremy Corbyn about the kind of campaign they were running,” wrote Mr Baldwin, the author of Ctrl Alt Delete: How Politics and the Media Crashed Our Democracy, in the Sunday Times.

“When they were told to pay for nationwide ads they regarded as madcap, such as one on voter registration, they made sure that few saw such messages except a tiny slice of left-wing activists.”

“Before the 2017 election, I remember rebutting endless stories that could only have come from selective leaking by HQ, so this latest revelation is no surprise,” Matt Zarb-Cousin, Jeremy Corbyn’s former spokesman, told The Independent
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 48036.html

That particular example seems so nutty that it’s difficult to believe, but never underestimate the Power of Stupidity !
I don't understand the ploy. I'm stumbling on voter registration promotion regarded as madcap campaign expenditure


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I thought of asking you for one but it's not really doughnut weather
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“[Tory MP for Louth & Horncastle Victoria Atkins] married to Paul Kenward, managing director of British Sugar which is growing 45 acres of cannabis under licence in its mammoth Norfolk greenhouse. Mr Kenward is producing high CBD cannabis for use in Epidiolex, GW Pharma’s cannabis extract epilepsy medicine.

Ms Atkins has tried to brush this off calling it “…a very different substance (from the) psychoactive version of cannabis.”
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Good comment BTL in the graun

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Morning all. And the next one please...

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Breaking : PPS Scott Mann has resigned from the government over the #Chequers deal. The second PPS to go in 24hrs an am told the first of THREE resignations today. #Brexit


"But...but...how many did Corbyn lose again???"

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First, the EU conversation has stayed largely where it has always been, as one for the London political classes. Some might now be seeing the phenomenal complexity of leaving the EU, but to many the story as reflected through the mass media is just EU obstructiveness as usual 2/

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This Brexit political debate is dominated by half truth. Soft Brexiteers with a few exceptions don't admit they actually don't want to leave the EU. Many hard Brexiteers want to leave at all costs and similarly won't admit that, so claim the costs will be limited 3/

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Both sides have continued from the referendum in seeing the UK as equal to the EU, like we can have whatever we want. The group in the middle who always wanted to leave to join the EEA, were at least mostly honest in seeking a compromise approach 4/

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There have been many outstanding reports about Brexit in the media, but the dominant media narrative has been one of clashing personalities, each equipped with their own facts, rather than trying to help establish a single truth 5/

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In the midst of it all a conservative government and media has somehow turned business, promised early certainty, into the enemy within. They don't want to speak up, but wouldn't we want to know if say every car maker in the UK had plans to leave in the next 10 years? 6/

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Throughout all this we have a PM who seems incapable of providing leadership to build consensus, but has rather encouraged the secret style of government she made to work at Home Office. It can't work in a complex negotiation like this 7/

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Against this backdrop it's hard to see a referendum helping do anything other than divide further. First we'd need some honesty and leadership about the real choices, which is unlikely to come from the PM or the leader of the opposition 8/

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The choice remains, full political freedom with borders and likely economic hit, a member of the EU, which we know about, and a Norway style relationship where we are outside political framework but in the economic one. We can't have a referendum until we have this debate 9/ ends

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“” Steve Bannon, Trump’s former adviser, told Nigel Farage on LBC radio Sunday: “You’re going to have to fight to take your country back, every day. Whether it’s Italy, France, England, or the United States. If we quit, they’re going to be in control.”

Theo Usherwood, LBC’s political editor, said: “That sounds like a call to arms.” To which Bannon replied, “Absolutely. This is war.” ”


Next, find the Farridge quote on “picking up your rifle and heading for the streets”

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The most amazing thing regarding that revelation about Labour's GE campaign is that some of the "sensible" tendency STILL think that was a totally reasonable position :wall:


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The #Chequers deal has disenfranchised voters. People telling me at the weekend that it was ‘last straw’ and if a charismatic figure stood heading a new party, they would vote for him/her. Sounds like we could be heading for our very own Trump/Macron/Robinson.
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What a loon.

If someone came forward and suggested a New Party, I think we could see where that might go...

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Our own Robinson, eh? Pardon me, but isn't Yaxley-Lennon already "ours"?? Even if we wish he wasn't.


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Hang on. Didn't Donald Trump stand as a Republican? That extremely old and established party with the big loyal base? How is that an example of new party success? :)

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Our own Robinson, eh? Pardon me, but isn't Yaxley-Lennon already "ours"?? Even if we wish he wasn't.


Well there was some doubt as to which Robinson she meant - I've seen Anne, Robert, Tony, Jason amongst others as alternatives.

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So will these be real concessions or just pretend ones like the pro-remain rebels won?

And will the pro-remain rebels support Labour's customs union amendments in retaliation as May warned at Chequers?

And how do the ERG lot propose to get around December's Irish Border backstop agreement?

We're just going round in circles at this point with no way to square it.

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Our own Robinson, eh? Pardon me, but isn't Yaxley-Lennon already "ours"?? Even if we wish he wasn't.


Well there was some doubt as to which Robinson she meant - I've seen Anne, Robert, Tony, Jason amongst others as alternatives.


Mary Robinson makes the most sense in a Macron/new party/independent candidate kind of way but that makes the inclusion of Trump, who notably failed with the Reform Party in 2000, even more incongruous - so possibly not!

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Our own Robinson, eh? Pardon me, but isn't Yaxley-Lennon already "ours"?? Even if we wish he wasn't.


Well there was some doubt as to which Robinson she meant - I've seen Anne, Robert, Tony, Jason amongst others as alternatives.


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Justine Greening is getting a lot of airtime on Daily Politics today.

If nothing else, she's doing a good job of getting across how serious & complex Brexit is. After months of David Davis' faux "Dr Hibbert" chuckle, it's a welcome change of tone.

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Urgh,the "wonderful",you equally gain not all experience,however what a sensible Government shouldn't do is actively penalise,make existing and potential harder and present as selfish,otherwise.I still have McVey's in essence "we value carers,you are being unfair and must "pay back" and impossible options to avoid reductions.

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I suspect if it was 49.99% male, many will still plough it as a "woman's issue".I don't find that useful.

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Q.What did you give up?
A.What are you missing?

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