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Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 2:07 pm
by RogerOThornhill
I see the DfE still haven't published the document about teachers pay that is effective from September.

Well, that's OK...not as if it's the last week of term or anything...Oh...

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 2:08 pm
by HindleA
The Webbian line re bedroom tax and dialysis shows the inconsistency," saint/scrounger "depiction,you can be both at the same time in easy fit nonsenses.

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 2:14 pm
by HindleA
We were part of the long term economic plan and sitting at home doing nothing for x years.Multitasking.

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 2:16 pm
by HindleA
I didn't keep Cameron's letter.

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 2:20 pm
by HindleA
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Setting up a new special school in Portsmouth, Bradford, Essex or Hounslow
Guidance and application forms for setting up a new special free school, and the criteria new school proposers must demonstrate


Guidance and application forms for the special free school competitions in Portsmouth, Bradford, Essex and Hounslow

Special free school competitions in other local authorities are now closed for applications - details of future special and alternative provision free schools opportunities will be announced in due course.

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 2:22 pm
by HindleA
"Competition?"

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 2:24 pm
by HindleA
Do they have a penalty shoot out if they can't decide?

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 2:27 pm
by ohsocynical
David Lammy

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When Trump describes the EU as a greater foe than Russia and China, he shows disdain for democracy, human rights and social freedom.

At this crucial turning point in history, you need to pick a side. I know who I'm with, and it's not the dictators.

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 2:34 pm
by HindleA
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... aff-stress" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


NHS opt-in transplant policy at risk due to cuts and staff stress
Report shows transplant service short of necessary skilled staff and equipment

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 2:36 pm
by ohsocynical
Wimbledon cleaning staff 'take food from bins due to low pay'
Housekeepers claim club provides insufficient money for food during their shifts

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Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 2:49 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
HindleA wrote:I didn't keep Cameron's letter.
Not even as toilet paper?

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 3:16 pm
by HindleA
Still think it dubious No.10 using HMRC information (ie."business")for personalised targeted party political purposes.Though thousands of "business",start ups etc aren't really businesses as such.((Direct Payment/Personal budget)

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 3:17 pm
by HindleA
Employer/not working,there's another one.

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 3:21 pm
by HindleA
I've simplified,pensioner receiving retired member of Unison full time worker.

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 3:32 pm
by HindleA
Should say I wasn't the employer.

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 3:41 pm
by HindleA
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May faces Commons reckoning over cross-border trade bill

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 4:02 pm
by PaulfromYorkshire
HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... trade-bill

May faces Commons reckoning over cross-border trade bill
It's going tremendously badly it seems.

Even Laura K is openly mocking the Government.

In a nutshell, to avoid a rebellion by the Mogg faction, she's caved on some amendments and provoked a new rebellion on her other flank.

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 4:03 pm
by Willow904
Faisal Islam
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phoned up by middle ground Tory MP:
“This is a s**tshow” - reports prominent PPS still in Government ringing around as alternative whip for ERG amendments... says Remainer MPs will now (today or tomorrow) push for full customs union to remind ERG of “mutually assured destruction”

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 4:04 pm
by PaulfromYorkshire
What will it take for the Remain Tories to actually break cover and vote May down?

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 4:20 pm
by Willow904
May said at Chequers that if they didn't accept her proposals the pro-remain rebels would force through a customs union amendment.

So they kind of have to rebel, really, if they want May to be as good as her word.

If the ERG amendments stand, we're back to square one with May having nothing credible to go to the EU with on the Irish Border issue and that means no deal. At least that's how it's looking if Faisal Islam in correct in his interpretation:

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Faisal Islam
@faisalislam
this is one of the Rees Mogg amendments accepted - it makes “unlawful” for HMRC to do what was official government policy as set out on Thursday and agreed at Chequers by Cabinet,
unless EU also collects tariffs for UK, which was not mentioned in either last week. Incredible.

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 4:25 pm
by HindleA
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Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 4:36 pm
by PaulfromYorkshire
Thanks for the analysis.

It does all become very stark doesn't it.

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 5:38 pm
by RogerOThornhill
Well, the Trump / Putin press conference seems to have gone well...

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 6:16 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
Interesting comments by Heidi Allen underneath that Faisal Islam tweet!

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 7:38 pm
by frog222
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Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 8:16 pm
by frog222
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"" “” By June 22, Guccifer was encouraging anyone to communicate directly with its hacker avatar — and, as the indictment shows, it immediately drew in a host of Americans with influence in the media and Republican politics.

Some of the cache was particularly valuable because it included reports that the Democrats had compiled on vulnerabilities involving their own candidates — a due-diligence check to bolster their defenses — and never intended to make public. ***

In mid-August, the indictment noted, Guccifer 2.0 received a request for stolen documents from a candidate for Congress. The Russian intelligence operatives, it said, responded by sending the information about the …“”


*** Burn this after reading .

Don't worry chaps, my friend Vladimir has denied this, his guys are so smart they never ever get caught, so it never happened !

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 9:16 pm
by gilsey
Robert Peston

@Peston
If ERG amendment goes to a division. & it looks likely, we could see spectacular embarrassment for government: having surrendered to rebel Brexiters of ERG & adopted ERG amendments as its own, it would be amazing if those amendments were lost because of Tory Remainer rebellion!

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 9:18 pm
by gilsey
Jessica Elgot

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Understand Labour MPs have just voted in favour of adopting the full IHRA anti-semitism definition (with examples) at private PLP meeting tonight.

7:19 PM - Jul 16, 2018 · London, England

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 9:18 pm
by Willow904
All getting a bit complicated on the trade bill votes.

I'm assuming we're looking for a Tory pro-remain rebellion on the ERG amendments accepted by the government?

But they don't seem to be pressing for a customs union amendment and presumably won't support Labour's?

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 9:26 pm
by gilsey
The Commons is meant to start its summer recess on Tuesday next week. But, as HuffPost reports, there are rumours at Westminster, which are not being denied by people in government, that the government will bring it forward so that the recess starts on Thursday. MPs do know how to use phones, but plotting is always much more intense when they are gathered together in person in the House of Commons and, from the whips’ point of view, the best way to keep them out of trouble is to send them on holiday.
Un-f***ing-believable. :fire:

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 9:28 pm
by gilsey
2 years DD was in that job and he really has learnt nothing at all.
Davis says he used to do business across the US/Canada border.

He says that border operates effectively for business, even though there are tariffs.
Davis says the most complicated border issue is in Ireland. But no British government, and no Irish government, would install a hard border there.
:wall:

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 9:30 pm
by gilsey
Willow904 wrote:All getting a bit complicated on the trade bill votes.

I'm assuming we're looking for a Tory pro-remain rebellion on the ERG amendments accepted by the government?

But they don't seem to be pressing for a customs union amendment and presumably won't support Labour's?
Because they think Chequers 'agreement' is near enough, as I understand it.

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 9:34 pm
by RogerOThornhill
Well, quite...
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In the teeth of the expenses scandal, Nick Clegg proposed cancelling the summer recess because there was work to be done.

It was a silly idea, but looks like great statesmanship when compared with sacking-off-on-holiday-because-we-don’t-know-what-to-do

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 10:02 pm
by frog222
ITMA -- who-runs-the-country-the-answer-is-too-awful-to-contemplate

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Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 10:10 pm
by RogerOThornhill
Chuka Umunna

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Breaking: one ministerial resignation about to be announced - saw the Minister going through the lobby with us now, against the Tory whip, to face down this ridiculous ERG amendment we’re voting on now (which the Govt capitulated on)
Edit - not a Brexiteer then!

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 10:15 pm
by RogerOThornhill
Oh him!....er...what did he do again?
Laura Kuenssberg

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Guto Bebb confirms he has resigned from govt

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 10:40 pm
by citizenJA
Sending MPs on early holiday could make all the difference for May
While Tories remain so febrile over Brexit, there is little point keeping them at Westminster
by Dan Sabbagh

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It's what authoritarian regimes do preventing damage to their rule. It's not something a responsible government does.

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 11:05 pm
by adam
The slightly more sensible tories should all write to the '22 bloke asking for a confidence vote.

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 11:06 pm
by RogerOThornhill
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Tory rebels at 14 now include new names Guto Bebb and Mark Pawsey...
Labour rebels who prevented government defeat (3) were Hoey, Field & Stringer -

Great irony that only last week Rees Mogg was very disconcerted about the Government passing its Brexit on “socialist votes”
FFS!

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 11:08 pm
by frog222
Excellent recent one from Chuck Schumer TODAY

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Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 11:10 pm
by adam
Field, Hoey and Stringer were the government's 3 vote majority in both of the tight votes this evening. (Ro'T - Snap!)

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 11:10 pm
by RogerOThornhill
Another take on the early rising of Parliament...
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Seriously? Parliament is going to vote to end term early, while Nick Gibb wages war against parents taking their kids out of school at the end of the year to have a cheaper holiday?
Yeah, that's not a good look...

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 11:13 pm
by PorFavor
Kevin Schofield

@PolhomeEditor

Vince Cable and Tim Farron also missing from Brexit vote government only won by 3. Not a good look for the Lib Dems.
10:50 PM - Jul 16, 2018 (Politics Live, Guardian)

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 11:24 pm
by adam
New clause 37, which would make it unlawful for Northern Ireland to form a separate customs territory to Great Britain, passed on the nod. The government had said it was in line with its policy.
So... either the EU accepts what it's previously rejected as magical thinking or no withdrawal agreement and no transition period?

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 11:41 pm
by gilsey
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The Tories are now totally trapped. Either they own a catastrophic hard Brexit for which there has been no adequate preparation, or they don't deliver the Brexit 70 per cent of their voters support.

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 11:43 pm
by gilsey
Although I'd love to know just how you could adequately prepare for no deal Brexit.

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 11:50 pm
by citizenJA
goodnight, everyone
love,
cJA

Re: Monday 16th July 2018

Posted: Mon 16 Jul, 2018 11:55 pm
by frog222
gilsey wrote:Although I'd love to know just how you could adequately prepare for no deal Brexit.

It's very easy !

You jump off the cliff 100% certain that the water is deep .

SPLAT !