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https://sluggerotoole.com/2018/07/20/th ... -scenario/
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..But we must also entertain the even smaller chance of a perfect storm, of which a catastrophic Brexit is merely the first act. Consider that, with hindsight, betting on the worst possible outcome at every major decision point over the last two years would have net the pessimistic punter a hefty profit; and that political chaos can set in motion a domino effect of system failure unthinkable in more stable times.
So let us borrow Jason O’Mahony’s crystal ball and peer into the cosmic accumulator...

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The good thing is all this is being discussed now, rather than early 2019 when it might really be too late to avoid it.


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Morning all.

I see the Mail and Express are getting into a bit of a tizz about the EU saying the Chequers document is unworkable - "How dare they!"

That'll be the same document that everyone thought was unworkable and that the EU wouldn't be able to live with...and the one which has already changed because of the Brexiteer amendments.

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To all those arguing that the possibility of an economic impact means we should have a second referendum... the single biggest threat to our economy is a Labour government, so if they ever win an election I assume you'll be happy to have a re-run? #democracy #respecttheresult


Yeah it's called a General Election you clown.

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Morning all.

I see the Mail and Express are getting into a bit of a tizz about the EU saying the Chequers document is unworkable - "How dare they!"

That'll be the same document that everyone thought was unworkable and that the EU wouldn't be able to live with...and the one which has already changed because of the Brexiteer amendments.

A "bit of a tizz" --- typical understatement !

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A fine cross-section here, the FT is very different --

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And here is someone else getting a teensy bit frustrated with the BBC:

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That is, alas, the typical BBC modus vivendi these days - "balancing" truth and falsehood.


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Historically the BBC has always had a strong pro-establishment bias.

Which would have meant giving far more weight to the Electoral Commission findings and rather less weight to those found guilty of wrongdoing.

As such, there has been a marked shift. Although the BBC has undoubtedly always underplayed certain stories, the bias has always been in favour of the establishment - of government and the authorities - not in favour of a handful of fringe political figures.

The BBC's love affair with Farage et al is pretty unique as far as I can see. What other leader of a minor political party has been given such a huge and uncritical platform by our biggest broadcaster? Where has the obsession with the opinions of business leaders disappeared to? What happened to independent analysis by experts? It's good to see the BBC challenged continually on this. Without proper reform it's hard to hold our press to account, but the BBC is taxpayer funded and shouldn't be allowed to duck scrutiny.

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The sooner the better...but I'm sure that the BBC will step up and offer him something.

Soon - No More Farage on LBC Radio

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Jane Merrick, please retire from political "journalism" forever. That alone will improve its overall quality.


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The press are ramping up the 'how dare they reject offers, we've done everything we can' stories - there are two leading the Telegraph's webpage alone. There is some desperate blame-shifting going on - this is going to be the fault of the EU, and of 'remainers' in the UK. And some of the Labour party will also try to make sure that Corbyn takes some of the blame.

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They are mostly preaching to the converted, though - older voters who backed leave. I think we should be more concerned about your latter point, if anything.


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Today’s Patrick Wintour chronicles recent US/ Russia diplomacy but hardly mentions the **** going on behind the scene !

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... lationship

For a far more interesting and truly fascinating(!) analysis of the Russian ‘sistema’ relating to the Trump creature —

A Theory of Trump Kompromat

Why the President is so nice to Putin, even when Putin might not want him to be.


https://www.newyorker.com/news-desk/swa ... -kompromat

Bearing in mind that DJT's first contacts in Russia go back to 1987, and then expanded from 1996 with deals emerging in the 2000’s–

“”The scenario that, to my mind, makes the most sense of the given facts and requires the fewest fantastical leaps is that, a decade or so ago, Trump, naïve, covetous, and struggling for cash, may have laundered money for a business partner from the former Soviet Union or engaged in some other financial crime.

This placed him, unawares, squarely within sistema, where he remained, conducting business with other members of a handful of overlapping Central Asian networks. Had he never sought the Presidency, he may never have had to come to terms with these decisions.

But now he is much like everyone else in sistema. He fears there is kompromat out there—maybe a lot of it—but he doesn’t know precisely what it is, who has it, or what might set them off. “”


You can see that adding up with the Mueller team amassing evidence of his associates’ money-laundering and a right assortment of other criminality .

The next instalment is for the Russian long game cosying up to the US ‘Christian’ and NRA Right. The same approach is applicable closer to home, EG : Marine le Pen, Farage, the other Bad Boys of Brexit, and many similar around Europe.


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To all those arguing that the possibility of an economic impact means we should have a second referendum... the single biggest threat to our economy is a Labour government, so if they ever win an election I assume you'll be happy to have a re-run? #democracy #respecttheresult

That's been the arrangement for decades, Bradley, checking in with voters regularly for democratic legitimacy
I assume you're not happy having that continue
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Shhhh !

Innocent gun-lover victimised by the Feds --

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The Russians Played the Long Game With the NRA

by Martin Longman July 17, 2018

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2018/07/1 ... h-the-nra/

"" They courted gun enthusiasts and conservative Christians in an effort to find allies in America who would encourage a less confrontational approach with Putin’s Russia. They established relationships with Republican donors, strategists, and lawmakers for these purposes. The only illegal part of these activities was the failure to register as agents or lobbyists of a foreign power.

Of course, the real issue here is the possibility that Russia funded the campaigns of Republican office-seekers (including the candidacy of Donald Trump) using Torshin’s relationship with the NRA as a cut-out and a cover. That’s the kind of conspiracy that would make all their efforts to ingratiate themselves with the Right worthwhile.

And they did make quite an effort. You can see this clearly by looking at a timeline produced by Mother Jones. Maria Butina began her gun advocacy all the way back in 2011 when she was a twenty-one year old provincial from a remote Siberian town. That’s the year that she established the Right to Bear Arms special interest group to advocate for gun rights in Russia. It’s also the year that Torshin first attended an NRA conference and become a donor.

2011: Torshin, then a Russian senator, is introduced to NRA President David Keene through G. Kline Preston IV, a lawyer from Nashville, Tennessee, who had been doing business in Russia for years. Preston later tells the Washington Post,

“The value system of Southern Christians and the value system of Russians are very much in line.”

2011: Maria Butina, in her early 20s, creates Right to Bear Arms, aiming to seed a gun rights movement in Russia. ""


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Six local council byelections this week:

Oxford DC - LibDem hold with over 60% of the vote in a ward which has remained steadfastly loyal to them ever since it returned two members for them in the 2002 all-out elections - both they and (fairly distantly, of course) second placed Labour were almost unchanged on this May's showing. In fact the only party to threaten here in recent years has been the Tories - they came second in all elections until 2010 and in 2008 came within half a dozen votes of getting their first councillor elected in this council since 1992, but they have plummeted since then and that their 8% was a slight improvement on earlier this year says it all. Greens last with about half that, slightly down.

West Lancashire DC - Tory hold in a ward which has been safe for them this miilennium (and saw them returned unopposed in 2008) but their hold was significantly loosened this time as they dropped from almost exactly 60% in May to the low forties now. Labour are not too far behind as they advanced more modestly on earlier this year, but the real damage was done by the localist Our West Lancashire party (originally a split from the Tories, but now acquiring a life of its own) who took 24% in their first outing here (though an Independent polled fairly well back in 2004, indicating some potential) and making this ward a potential 3-way marginal in future.

Carmarthenshire - Plaid Cymru hold confirming last year's result when they took both seats here for the first time since 1999, and in some style too - 65% of the vote marking a 15 point increase since then and a similar sized swing from second placed Labour; they shared the spoils here in all three elections between 2004 and 2012 but are a long way away now, beaten by over 3 to 1. Tories slightly down in 3rd, whilst the first ever LibDem showing here gained the less than princely total of 1.2% (they can still claim a swing from Labour, though!)

Milton Keynes - Labour hold in a keenly fought ward with 50% of the vote, a small increase and swing in their favour since this May over the second placed Tories who were little changed. In 2014 this new ward split 2Lab/1UKIP in all-out post boundary change elections, in 2015 the Tories ran Labour close and in 2016 a "double vacancy" election saw UKIP not at all far below the lower placed Labour candidate. Given that UKIP were contesting this after sitting it out a few months ago, this was thus an interesting test of their recent upward poll blip - and it has to be said that a score of under 4% was thus not terribly impressive. Indeed it meant they were still beaten by the Greens despite the latter dropping 3 points, but at least they consigned the LibDems - who dropped to under 2% - to bottom spot.

Bury - Labour hold with over 50% in a ward which is normally safe for them, though that is down from nearly 60% earlier this year they were run closer than usual by the Tories who did an impressive job of monopolising the "opposition" vote here. It was a swing of about 10% to the Tories since May, though a more modest one since a previous by-election last year - compared to that the Labour vote actually edged up slightly and the main movement was actually from LibDem (not far behind in third then) to Tory. This time round the LibDems were edged out for third by the hard right English Democrats - though both scored less than 4% - and the Greens just edged out UKIP for last place, the latter's 2.5% (after sitting recent elections out) is also not much evidence of a revival.

Northamptonshire CC - Labour hold in a division which voted LibDem in the first post boundary change elections in 2013 before they - somewhat against the trend - gained it last year; this time a share of almost 45% - up around 5 points - was enough for a fairly comfortable win. LibDems almost unchanged in second, getting about double the Tory vote as their 15% showed a significant fall on last time. Back in 2013 UKIP came a close third, but they duly crashed a year ago and a further slight fall to under 6% again calls their recent "revival" somewhat into question. Greens last with 4%, slightly down on their previous 2013 showing.

Seven contests next week, before it (as usual) quietens down during August.


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Tonight’s Telegraph is embargoed till 1030! #embargocat


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Tonight’s Telegraph is embargoed till 1030! #embargocat


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Looks like it was a pic of 5 year old Prince George that was embargoed - the Telegraph's version took 1/3rd of a page.

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"BREXIT CHAOS: Theresa May set for MORE resignations - ‘He will fall on his sword’"
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THERESA MAY is bracing herself for more Cabinet resignations amid claims Chris Grayling – one of her closest allies – will stand down if Britain makes more concessions to the EU.


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Meanwhile, rumours are swirling in Westminster that MPs will be told not to return after recess on September 4 but go straight into conference season because of “building works” to protect Mrs May from a leadership bid after the summer.

Bricking up the door to Graham Brady's office, might work?
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Apparently Cable missed the vote the other day because he was having talks about SDP2, according to the inside of the Times.


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While Trump enjoys golf, former president Jimmy Carter, 92, is building homes for the poor
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Apparently Cable missed the vote the other day because he was having talks about SDP2, according to the inside of the Times.

Farron was talking about gay sex somewhere.

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Apparently Cable missed the vote the other day because he was having talks about SDP2, according to the inside of the Times.


Though it has been noted that most other MPs thought of as likely recruits *were* in the HoC, which makes one wonder who this meeting was actually with - possible donors?


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Morning all.

Pretty damning comments about the Gove era and the academies programme.

The great academy schools scandal

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2018/jul/22/academy-schools-scandal-failing-trusts

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What’s gone wrong? “I think there was certainly a mistake in the early days of the coalition, where we let so many schools convert at once, and allowed some chains to build too fast and unsustainably,” Freedman says of his time at the DfE. According to the Commons public accounts committee, there were simply too few checks on schools wanting to become academies: the government rejected just 13 out of more than 2,000 applications in three years. Trusts haven’t had to prove themselves before taking on new schools in difficult straits: Wakefield City Academies Trust took over 14 schools in special measures in under three years. “There was a period after 2011 where the academy system felt like the wild west, with big personalities coming in and changing things with little educational justification,” says Francis.


About time someone admitted this. Not anyone in government of course.

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The egregious Rob Burley (any relation to Kay?) being totally eviscerated on Twitter this morning. Nice to see :)


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Morning all.

Pretty damning comments about the Gove era and the academies programme.

The great academy schools scandal

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2018/jul/22/academy-schools-scandal-failing-trusts

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What’s gone wrong? “I think there was certainly a mistake in the early days of the coalition, where we let so many schools convert at once, and allowed some chains to build too fast and unsustainably,” Freedman says of his time at the DfE. According to the Commons public accounts committee, there were simply too few checks on schools wanting to become academies: the government rejected just 13 out of more than 2,000 applications in three years. Trusts haven’t had to prove themselves before taking on new schools in difficult straits: Wakefield City Academies Trust took over 14 schools in special measures in under three years. “There was a period after 2011 where the academy system felt like the wild west, with big personalities coming in and changing things with little educational justification,” says Francis.


About time someone admitted this. Not anyone in government of course.

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“No lessons have been learned,” says Laura McInerney. “Pressure is still being put on academy chains that are too small and fragile to take on board tricky schools. There are no consequences for people who flout financial regulations. It’s not a case of whether there’ll be further collapses, but simply of when and where.”

Came across as a bit soft on Gove et al, in my opinion. Apart from the brief mention of Nash, not a lot on the revolving door from NSN and DfE. Readers would get more information here.


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For a complete change --

/longest-lunar-eclipse-century-uk-celestial-thrill

“”Today scientists have a more prosaic explanation for the moon’s crimson transformation. It is caused when the moon passes through the shadow of the Earth. However, its disc does not go completely dark because some sunlight – mainly the longer-wavelength, redder end of the spectrum – passes through our atmosphere and is bent around the edge of our planet so that it falls on to the moon’s surface. In effect, it is the light of sunrise and sunset on the Earth that will give the moon its red glow on Friday.”

https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... ial-thrill

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Rawnsley -- "" desperate-brexit-deadlock-triggers-the-search-for-a-miraculous-escape

You don’t throw a rope to your political opponent when he is drowning in a bog of his own making.

Brexit is currently “owned” by the Tories, as will be the economic consequences if they prove to be bad. Mr Corbyn is not going to take co-parentage of Brexit. Even centrist Labour MPs who disagree with him about almost everything else will not do the Tories that favour. You are as likely to see a GNU as you are a dodo.""


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ous-escape

Two questions , Y/N answers only !
Did the majority of the Labour Party vote for the referendum ?
Did the Labour Part fight the last election as supporters of brexit, respecting the WILLOFTHEPEOPLE ?

It doesn't appear to me that the Tories are the sole owners of the brexit quagmire ...


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Dominic Raab fails to deny claims of food stockpiling in case of no deal Brexit

Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/dominic ... al-brexit/

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The UK will not be saved from crashing out of the EU via an extension of the article 50 negotiations unless there is a major realignment in British politics, most likely through a second referendum or general election, senior diplomats and European commission officials have disclosed.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -officials

"Astonishment was expressed at an EU meeting on Friday at Theresa May’s comments accusing bloc of seeking to ‘dislocate’ the UK."
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Dominic Raab fails to deny claims of food stockpiling in case of no deal Brexit

Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/dominic ... al-brexit/
Current UK Government seem at war with their country and people (and themselves, of course)
This whole exercise is Tory boondoggle
It doesn't have to be this way
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The UK will not be saved from crashing out of the EU via an extension of the article 50 negotiations unless there is a major realignment in British politics, most likely through a second referendum or general election, senior diplomats and European commission officials have disclosed.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -officials

"Astonishment was expressed at an EU meeting on Friday at Theresa May’s comments accusing bloc of seeking to ‘dislocate’ the UK."
Cometh the hour, bust a move
New government, please

The bit about Farage --

"" Officials in the parliament have taken legal advice, which suggests that extending article 50 beyond the next European elections in May would not only give 73 British MEPs a right to sit in the chamber until the UK leaves but for the full five-year term.

A source in the parliament said: “This has been repeatedly discussed. It would be the perfect opportunity for Ukip to rebuild, which is what no one wants. After all, Guy Verhofstadt [the parliament’s Brexit coordinator] has said before that the only good thing about Brexit is that Nigel Farage won’t be coming to Brussels again. The parliament won’t want them back again”. ""


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Officials in the parliament have taken legal advice, which suggests that extending article 50 beyond the next European elections in May would not only give 73 British MEPs a right to sit in the chamber until the UK leaves but for the full five-year term.


I find that hard to believe tbh, how could it possibly be justified?


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According to the survey, 38 percent of Britons said they would vote for a new right-wing party that was committed to Brexit, while around 25 percent favored an explicitly far-right party that was anti-immigrant and anti-Islam.
https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/07/ ... it-poll-EU


Which seems to suggest that more than one third of us are deluded while a quarter of us are mindless xenophobes.

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According to the survey, 38 percent of Britons said they would vote for a new right-wing party that was committed to Brexit, while around 25 percent favored an explicitly far-right party that was anti-immigrant and anti-Islam.
https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/07/ ... it-poll-EU


Which seems to suggest that more than one third of us are deluded while a quarter of us are mindless xenophobes.

Wouldn't surprise me if nearly all the 25% were not also within the 38% ?
Need more info !


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These are apparently the classic "would you *consider* voting for.......?" hypothetical questions, "consider" can do quite a lot of work in this context.

Though about 20% if not 25% of the population having serious racist/xenophobic leanings does sound about right (and similar to many other "developed" countries)


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tinyclanger2 wrote:
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According to the survey, 38 percent of Britons said they would vote for a new right-wing party that was committed to Brexit, while around 25 percent favored an explicitly far-right party that was anti-immigrant and anti-Islam.
https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/07/ ... it-poll-EU


Which seems to suggest that more than one third of us are deluded while a quarter of us are mindless xenophobes.

Wouldn't surprise me if nearly all the 25% were not also within the 38% ?
Need more info !


(certainly hope so!)

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We need three-dimensional Venn- diagrams :-)

Still 25° here, but there's a cooling breeze, so it's off to the beach for a dip !


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Two questions , Y/N answers only !
Did the majority of the Labour Party vote for the referendum ?
Did the Labour Part fight the last election as supporters of brexit, respecting the WILLOFTHEPEOPLE ?

It doesn't appear to me that the Tories are the sole owners of the brexit quagmire ...


You know the answers to both of course.......

I am happy to blame the first on H Harman, and think Labour had little choice but to take broadly the line it did at the last GE.

(others here disagree and I appreciate that)

But as to the likely consequences politically if next year is as bad as it might be, I refer you back to Black Wednesday and its aftermath. Tories and their captive media protested loudly that Labour and the LibDems had also supported the policy that had come to grief, but in vain. It was their doing, and their fault.


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frog222 wrote:
Officials in the parliament have taken legal advice, which suggests that extending article 50 beyond the next European elections in May would not only give 73 British MEPs a right to sit in the chamber until the UK leaves but for the full five-year term.

I find that hard to believe tbh, how could it possibly be justified?
Better more representation than less


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According to the survey, 38 percent of Britons said they would vote for a new right-wing party that was committed to Brexit, while around 25 percent favored an explicitly far-right party that was anti-immigrant and anti-Islam.
https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/07/ ... it-poll-EU
Which seems to suggest that more than one third of us are deluded while a quarter of us are mindless xenophobes.
Isn't that rough proportion replicated across many populations of people throughout time?
A quarter (more or less) of populations veering into where I've no interest going myself
Wouldn't recommend it to anyone


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These are apparently the classic "would you *consider* voting for.......?" hypothetical questions, "consider" can do quite a lot of work in this context.

Though about 20% if not 25% of the population having serious racist/xenophobic leanings does sound about right (and similar to many other "developed" countries)

I hadn't seen your post here yet, AK
Yes, that's my understanding as well


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