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"were beaten in two European finals – the European Cup Winners’ Cup in 1973 and the 1975 European Cup"

"Beaten" by corrupt officials.


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Biggest rise in UK poverty since Margaret Thatcher was in power, experts claim

The Resolution Foundation calculates that the official poverty rate rose from 22.1 per cent to 23.2 per cent, the biggest single year jump since 1988, with benefit cuts and inflation hitting hard

” “2017-18 was a strikingly bad year for lower income households as the 2015 package of benefit cuts began in earnest, in combination with higher inflation,” the think tank said.”


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Jeremy Corbyn to highlight economic ‘benefit’ of Brexit as he demands UK stop relying on ‘cheap labour from abroad’

Labour leader will say plummeting pound can help manufacturers ‘build things here again that for too long have been built abroad’, in speech that will prompt comparisons with Donald Trump’s ‘America first’ approach

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 60696.html

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My first reaction on this was Whoops ! And not in a good way .

Coffee outside with Mr Peston, who has much to say (ch5) on the Political class and most of the Press’s propaganda pro-immigration -for-growth while neglecting those paying the immediate price …

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My twitter feed is full of people laying into JC on the basis of that article.

I anticipate not liking his speech very much, but I'll be amazed if it's as bad as all that, given that misreporting of his speeches has been commonplace in the past.

IMO his attitude to Brexit could be summed up as making the best of a bad job, and I'm not at all convinced Starmer wouldn't get his own way if Labour were actually in govt.

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Morning all.

Still way too hot - my room is OK until afternoon when the sun moves round but then becomes uncomfortable.

The cat started to get excited and jumping around which is a usual sign that there's an insect or flying object. Looked up - a 2-3 inch dragonfly!

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44935152
Japan heatwave declared natural disaster as death toll mounts

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44932366
Greece wildfires: '60 dead' in holiday area

Global warming is feeling less and less theoretical and more and more a happening reality.

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Morning all.

Still way too hot - my room is OK until afternoon when the sun moves round but then becomes uncomfortable.

The cat started to get excited and jumping around which is a usual sign that there's an insect or flying object. Looked up - a 2-3 inch dragonfly!
Many thanks to you, RogerOThornhill, for your good-natured response to my question posted last night

I have pigments and skin care vials sensitive to heat (and cold but that's always been manageable)
anything over about 80 degrees Fahrenheit they're destabilised, rendering them useless
placing them in refrigeration would do the same thing; it's too cold
I recognise that in the scheme of things, losing those items due to excessive heat isn't tragedy
I'm rather embarrassed mentioning it
Nonetheless, I wouldn't be able to replace it all at once; they're expensive


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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44935152
Japan heatwave declared natural disaster as death toll mounts

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44932366
Greece wildfires: '60 dead' in holiday area

Global warming is feeling less and less theoretical and more and more a happening reality.
oh jesus
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Margaret Thatcher’s government drew up a secret blacklist of its own civil servants thought to be “subversives” in order to keep them under observation and block their promotion, papers released at the National Archives disclose.
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The government overcame similar problems in the surveillance of teachers by arranging for school inspectors to report directly to MI5.
The Cabinet Office told the Guardian that it regarded it as a historical matter on which it did not wish to comment.

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My twitter feed is full of people laying into JC on the basis of that article.

I anticipate not liking his speech very much, but I'll be amazed if it's as bad as all that, given that misreporting of his speeches has been commonplace in the past.

IMO his attitude to Brexit could be summed up as making the best of a bad job, and I'm not at all convinced Starmer wouldn't get his own way if Labour were actually in govt.


Corbyn's biggest problem when talking about Brexit is that he frequently doesn't make any sense and appears oblivious to the reality of the world as it is, as if we can magically transport ourselves back into the past before manufacturing became a global enterprise.

Yes the fall in the value of the pound led to higher import costs (bad for people on stagnant incomes as we're importing inflation) and lower export costs. Corbyn seems to think we could better exploit those cheaper export costs and I will be very interested to see the details of how he proposes this could be done. The fact we have to import the majority of the raw materials needed to make things and higher import costs make those raw materials more expensive plus the higher standard of living making our wages higher, it's difficult to see how we can compete internationally in anything other than very specialist areas, which presumably we already try to do.

It's an attack on the government but the wrong one. The Brexiters in the Tory party promised lower export costs would unleash an export boom but it didn't. Corbyn should be calling out their simplistic misleading bollox not muddying the water by suggesting that they were essentially right but just failed to capitalise.

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I'm currently drinking about 4-5 litres of water a day and most my daily activities aren't all that arduous
Do remember to keep hydrated, everyone

Apologies for going off-topic


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https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jul/23/paul-madeley-former-leeds-united-england-dies-age-73


"were beaten in two European finals – the European Cup Winners’ Cup in 1973 and the 1975 European Cup"

"Beaten" by corrupt officials.


1975 was so bad that even we MUFC fans accept you were robbed.


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Thread on the teachers pay award - funded by the DfE not the Treasury so things like school improvement cash will be cut. I think I saw something the other day where bids for school improvement were being rejected wholesale.

https://twitter.com/RichardA/status/1021696864540872705

Quite why they couldn't have announced this before schools broke up is beyond me.

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citizenJA wrote:
I'm currently drinking about 4-5 litres of water a day and most my daily activities aren't all that arduous
Do remember to keep hydrated, everyone

Apologies for going off-topic


I'm sure we can cope with another topic :-)

""kidneys can eliminate about 5.3-7.4 gallons (20-28 liters) of water a day, but they can't get rid of more than 27-33 ounces (0.8-1.0 liters) per ho]ur (14, 15). Therefore, in order to avoid hyponatremia symptoms, you should not drink more than 27-33 ounces (0.8-1.0 liters) of water per hour, on average (14).Jul 31, 2017""
Water intoxication - when you drink too much water


Apart from it being already 26° here, all my medics tell me to drink more water particularly for hadicapping assorted tendinitis. Causes are down the bottom of this article --

Not enough good fats, like Omega 3s. Omega 3 fats are vital and necessary to the body, plus they are a natural anti-inflammatory. Aside from good fish and flax oil, here is a great choice for these essential fatty acids.
Not enough good sleep. The only time you physiologically rejuvenate is when you sleep. Bad sleep, bad/no recovery.
Not enough Vitamin D3, calcium, B12, or Magnesium.
You need it, need it, need it. See: Magnesium for Tendonitis

[b]Not enough water intake[/b]. Sponges needs water to be soft and squishy. You are one big sponge. Drink more water. Coffee, soda, and juice do NOT count as water
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Read more: https://www.tendonitisexpert.com/tendon ... z5MAbcmx6j

Frog4 is into serious competition, triathlon etc, and her international level IronWoman(!) coach and other expert friends recommend all the above supplements, plus the water !


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Jeremy Corbyn to highlight economic ‘benefit’ of Brexit as he demands UK stop relying on ‘cheap labour from abroad’

Labour leader will say plummeting pound can help manufacturers ‘build things here again that for too long have been built abroad’, in speech that will prompt comparisons with Donald Trump’s ‘America first’ approach

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 60696.html

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My first reaction on this was Whoops ! And not in a good way .

Coffee outside with Mr Peston, who has much to say (ch5) on the Political class and most of the Press’s propaganda pro-immigration -for-growth while neglecting those paying the immediate price …

. WTF ?


Time for a reminder that any Trump/Corbyn comparisons are 99% certain to be bull***t.

Does anybody else here get the daily LabourList email from Sienna Rodgers? It has a rather more nuanced (and informed) take on this than the Indy's above.


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AK - Time for a reminder that any Trump/Corbyn comparisons are 99% certain to be bull***t.

Does anybody else here get the daily LabourList email from Sienna Rodgers? It has a rather more nuanced (and informed) take on this than the Indy's above


Well both DJT and JC have to some extent overthown the previous leadership of their respective parties !

We'll see what JC actually says .


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So apparently the Indy had to correct its version of its preview of Corbyn's speech, because he didn't talk about migrant workers at all :roll:

Apparently the message was rather that we shouldn't be relying on exploitation of poorly paid workers overseas to produce imports for us.

It really is tiresome that a thoughtful person like Corbyn cannot be heard in the media without this continued spin from the London-based establishment. And I would say that even if I wasn't a Labour supporter. I don't think the same mangling happens to Cable and Lucas for example.


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So on the day of Corbyn';s big Brexit speech, this happens.

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Well I never...funny how he pops up at opportune moments isn't it?

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AK - Time for a reminder that any Trump/Corbyn comparisons are 99% certain to be bull***t.

Does anybody else here get the daily LabourList email from Sienna Rodgers? It has a rather more nuanced (and informed) take on this than the Indy's above


Well both DJT and JC have to some extent overthown the previous leadership of their respective parties !


Yes, that they are both insurgents is virtually the only respect in which they are really comparable (the 1%, if you will)


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as if we can magically transport ourselves back into the past before manufacturing became a global enterprise.

Which leads me to quote this para by PhilBC, a brilliant description of the baby (trade) we're throwing out with the bathwater (loss of 'sovereignty').

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Market economies might appear to be forces of nature, but they're not. Markets are the products of purposeful social activity by human beings and their machines much like any other field of social action. More than just transactional relations, the movement of commodities across a national territory, let alone a supranational entity like the EU, rests upon a legal infrastructure as essential to mature capitalist economies as physical infrastructure. What Mogg, the ERG, and the stupidity of the Prime Minister and her "team" are doing is seeding this infrastructure with demolition charges. At 11pm on 29th March next year, unless there is a deal in the offing so the UK can immediately transition to the, well, transition period, that legal infrastructure will be blown sky high. Protocols covering common standards, tariffs, contracts, the agreements that keep planes flying into and out of the UK, the boats, the ferries, the cars and passengers trundling off the Eurostar, the goods coming into and flowing out of the country, no deal means no deal for all of this. The bombs placed by the Tories in the legal infrastructure will go off and take years to rebuild and replace with new trade deals. The UK will be damaged just as assuredly as blowing up its ports, uprooting the rail network, and dynamiting the roads.

https://averypublicsociologist.blogspot ... rophe.html

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So apparently the Indy had to correct its version of its preview of Corbyn's, because he didn't talk about migrant workers at all :roll:

Apparently the message was rather that we shouldn't be relying on exploitation of poorly paid workers overseas to produce imports for us.

It really is tiresome that a thoughtful person like Corbyn cannot be heard in the media without this continued spin from the London-based establishment. And I would say that even if I wasn't a Labour supporter. I don't think the same mangling happens to Cable and Lucas for example.


Lucas just usually gets ignored tbh (the exceptions tend to be when she is having a dig at Corbyn, strangely enough)


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https://socialcarefuture.blog/2018/07/2 ... ssion=true


Getting it right from the start

"The future for social care needs to be one of stepping away from age as an identifier and simply focus on:

Inclusion – in community, school, work, old age and for those who for whatever reason find themselves isolated and segregated

Independent Living for families and people – choice, control, accessibility, housing and income

Nothing about us without us – young people consistently prove the sceptics wrong, they have brilliant thoughts and ideas based on their own often traumatic and challenging life experiences – listening to them will be the first step to getting it right from the start."


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Not a left/right thing.The left has a penchant for State given/control and loathe to relinquish.Possibly scary for some ,but proven health benefits,life enhancement and indeed length by providing meaningful choice;it is the way to go IHMO.


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Well aware of the excuse to abnegate responsibility hence "meaningful"


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Frog4 puts my one sprint triathlon into perspective,now if there was a run/smoking/tea drinking version...


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"Sprint" as in categorisation rather than description,clarification.


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Even better a biathlon,run interspersed with some sort of cigar smoking accuracy measurement.


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PFY -- " Apparently the message was rather that we shouldn't be relying on exploitation of poorly paid workers overseas to produce imports for us. "

The Swiss are definitely paid more, so we'll grudgingly accept their exports :-)

As for much of the rest of the world they'd better watch out !

More seriously, if the UK already has close to full employment where is JC going to find the manpower and capital to re-open the Lancashire cotton mills, for a start ?

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So Corbyn's speech was mostly about manufacturing.

He mentions Japan a lot.

Japan is the 3rd biggest manufacturing nation after China and the USA so a good example to look at it we want to move up from our current position of around 8th. But Germany is right behind them in 4th so is another good template.

So let's compare:

GDP per capita?
Germany comes in around 17th in the world while Japan is around 28th and the UK just ahead on around 26th.

How about equality, who's benefitting?
Germany has a gini co-efficient of 31%, Japan 32% & UK 34%, so both do better than us in sharing the wealth.

So Germany & Japan. Both strong manufacturing countries with a good standard of living & I'm sure there are things we could learn from both of them but there is one very big difference:

Debt to GDP ratio:

Germany - 65%
Japan - 223%

If the results are comparable, I'd be wanting to know more about how Germany does it than Japan, because the only way to sustain Japan's level of debt to GDP is to leverage it mostly domestically which will require an enormous cultural change in UK saving levels and I really wonder how Corbyn is going to achieve that.

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Willow904 wrote:
So Corbyn's speech was mostly about manufacturing.

He mentions Japan a lot.

Japan is the 3rd biggest manufacturing nation after China and the USA so a good example to look at it we want to move up from our current position of around 8th. But Germany is right behind them in 4th so is another good template.

So let's compare:

GDP per capita?
Germany comes in around 17th in the world while Japan is around 28th and the UK just ahead on around 26th.

How about equality, who's benefitting?
Germany has a gini co-efficient of 31%, Japan 32% & UK 34%, so both do better than us in sharing the wealth.

So Germany & Japan. Both strong manufacturing countries with a good standard of living & I'm sure there are things we could learn from both of them but there is one very big difference:

Debt to GDP ratio:

Germany - 65%
Japan - 223%

If the results are comparable, I'd be wanting to know more about how Germany does it than Japan, because the only way to sustain Japan's level of debt to GDP is to leverage it mostly domestically which will require an enormous cultural change in UK saving levels and I really wonder how Corbyn is going to achieve that.

Great post.

BUT (geeky scientist) the correct units are years.

"the number of years to pay off debt, if all of GDP is devoted to debt repayment"

Germany 65 years
japan 223 years


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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
Willow904 wrote:
So Corbyn's speech was mostly about manufacturing.

He mentions Japan a lot.

Japan is the 3rd biggest manufacturing nation after China and the USA so a good example to look at it we want to move up from our current position of around 8th. But Germany is right behind them in 4th so is another good template.

So let's compare:

GDP per capita?
Germany comes in around 17th in the world while Japan is around 28th and the UK just ahead on around 26th.

How about equality, who's benefitting?
Germany has a gini co-efficient of 31%, Japan 32% & UK 34%, so both do better than us in sharing the wealth.

So Germany & Japan. Both strong manufacturing countries with a good standard of living & I'm sure there are things we could learn from both of them but there is one very big difference:

Debt to GDP ratio:

Germany - 65%
Japan - 223%

If the results are comparable, I'd be wanting to know more about how Germany does it than Japan, because the only way to sustain Japan's level of debt to GDP is to leverage it mostly domestically which will require an enormous cultural change in UK saving levels and I really wonder how Corbyn is going to achieve that.

Great post.

BUT (geeky scientist) the correct units are years.

"the number of years to pay off debt, if all of GDP is devoted to debt repayment"

Germany 65 years
japan 223 years


I think it's 0.65 and 2.23 year's worth of total GDP, which is still trillions to find over some time-scale if you want to reduce debt to zero :-)


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The "puny" vulnerable tomato plant outpacing the rest,given a chance and a level playing field usually the case,no doubt the others claiming "unfairness".


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Welcomed by all Tories no doubt - those who live a long way from the area of course and wouldn't be affected by the almost inevitable fallout in a few years time.

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frog222 wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
Willow904 wrote:
So Corbyn's speech was mostly about manufacturing.

He mentions Japan a lot.

Japan is the 3rd biggest manufacturing nation after China and the USA so a good example to look at it we want to move up from our current position of around 8th. But Germany is right behind them in 4th so is another good template.

So let's compare:

GDP per capita?
Germany comes in around 17th in the world while Japan is around 28th and the UK just ahead on around 26th.

How about equality, who's benefitting?
Germany has a gini co-efficient of 31%, Japan 32% & UK 34%, so both do better than us in sharing the wealth.

So Germany & Japan. Both strong manufacturing countries with a good standard of living & I'm sure there are things we could learn from both of them but there is one very big difference:

Debt to GDP ratio:

Germany - 65%
Japan - 223%

If the results are comparable, I'd be wanting to know more about how Germany does it than Japan, because the only way to sustain Japan's level of debt to GDP is to leverage it mostly domestically which will require an enormous cultural change in UK saving levels and I really wonder how Corbyn is going to achieve that.

Great post.

BUT (geeky scientist) the correct units are years.

"the number of years to pay off debt, if all of GDP is devoted to debt repayment"

Germany 65 years
japan 223 years


I think it's 0.65 and 2.23 year's worth of total GDP, which is still trillions to find over some time-scale if you want to reduce debt to zero :-)

Yes that makes sense, hence where the % sneaks in

Glad we got that one sorted ;-)


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I see Toby Young is trending...and yes, it's another self-pitying "Poor me" article that he managed to get published in an online journal where is an associate editor.

just like the last one he got published in The Spectator where is...an associate editor!

I see a trend...

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Owen Bennett @owenjbennett

Appearing before the @CommonsEUexit, Raab says this is little more than rearranging the "Whitehall deck-chairs". Says there is "one team, one chain of command."

07:20 - 24 juil. 2018

I could swear I've heard that deck-chairs expression before .


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No-deal Brexit will make it ‘illegal’ to pay pensions to retired British expats living in EU, MPs told
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 61166.html


That would be those same expats denied even a say in the matter.

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Did Austerity cause Brexit?
https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/economics ... fetzer.pdf

Academic paper - TL;DR - Yes.

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Did austerity cause Brexit? This paper shows that the rise of popular support for the UK Independence Party (UKIP), as the single most important
correlate of the subsequent Leave vote in the 2016 European Union (EU) referendum, along with broader measures of political dissatisfaction, are strongly
and causally associated with an individual’s or an area’s exposure to austerity since 2010. In addition to exploiting data from the population of all
electoral contests in the UK since 2000, I leverage detailed individual level panel data allowing me to exploit within-individual variation in exposure to
specific rules-based welfare reforms as well as broader measures of political preferences. The results suggest that the EU referendum could have resulted
in a Remain victory had it not been for a range of austerity-induced welfare reforms. These reforms activated existing economic grievances. Further, auxiliary
results suggest that the underlying economic grievances have broader origins than what the current literature on Brexit suggests. Up until 2010,
the UK’s welfare state evened out growing income differences across the skill divide through transfer payments. This pattern markedly stops from 2010
onwards as austerity started to bite.

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This 'preparation for no-deal' stuff is a bit through the looking glass? It's supposed to be a negotiating tactic isn't it, to make the EU give us a better deal, which is bollocks anyway as we know that the EU set out the possible deals at the beginning and is just waiting for us to decide which one we want. But domestically some are taking it seriously eg
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10m10 minutes ago
More Sarah Wollaston MP Retweeted Matt Hancock
We need to see the full list including those products which need refrigeration or with short shelf lives, the costs, who will be responsible & how these costs will be passed on to the NHS

Are we going to have this sort of thing for 2 months, if Parliament's in recess and the govt's on holiday?
Might be the best tactic yet to swing public opinion to Remain.

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Seven agricultural suppliers - including the United States, Canada and Australia - have already said they disapprove of the terms of the divorce, since they will lose flexibility to switch exports between Britain and the rest of the EU.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-brita ... J?rpc=401&

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I don't know how to turn this into a link - but for anyone who wants a good laugh, I recommend this (it's John Mulaney's "horse in a hospital" Donald Trump thing).

https://vimeo.com/268233557



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