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Labour vows to make provision of youth services compulsory
Party also proposes national body to oversee services for young people in England in effort to curb rising crime

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... compulsory

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Morning all.

Damien Hinds is right now making a speech about disadvantaged children and what could be done about the growing numbers arriving in school with speech and language difficulties (which we're seeing) - I've seen this twice so far...


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If only there were some way we could be SURE that disadvantaged children could get the same START in life as middle class kids. You know, some way that hadn’t been cut by ministers like Damian Hinds.



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Not to mention the fact that the 15 free hours a week at nursery school for all children seems to have morphed into 30 free hours a week childcare for working parents.

A subtle difference, but under Labour an out of work single mum could send her child to nursery school a couple of times a week for free to mix with other children & get an early start on educational based activities whereas I don't think that's on offer any more under the Tories.

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At our last GB meeting I raised something which puzzled me as to why we didn't seem to be at full capacity in the nursery - as soon as he said "30 hours" I realised - and this leads to fewer kids in total being able to access the nursery with a number of them being there on a full-time basis.

We're limited by space as to how many we can take in so can't expand but it seems a bit perverse that some who may benefit from 5 mornings or afternoons are losing out because others are being there all day.

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NEW: Sky News obtains internal Dover District Council Brexit Impact report warning that “temporary” 13 mile “Operation Brock” Brexit lorry park across the southbound M20 Motorway carriageway could last “many years” as permanent solution not ready #brexitforensics


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Still I'm sure the arch-Brexiteers who have been plotting our exit from the EU will have had a plan for this formulated years ago right?

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Not to mention the fact that the 15 free hours a week at nursery school for all children seems to have morphed into 30 free hours a week childcare for working parents.

A subtle difference, but under Labour an out of work single mum could send her child to nursery school a couple of times a week for free to mix with other children & get an early start on educational based activities whereas I don't think that's on offer any more under the Tories.

I'm sure I remember Margaret Thatcher wanting a massive expansion of nursery schools, which did not happen ?

The situation here is very simple , up to a 25hour week , and free for all !

Nursery Schools in France (maternelle)

""Although nursery school is optional in France attendance levels are high with around 30% of the children aged two and nearly 100% by the age of four attending l’Ecole Maternelle. School is divided into:

Petite section: 3-4 years old
Moyenne section: 4-5 years old
Grande section: 5-6 years old

Children under three are not normally accepted at nursery school and each application is considered on a case by case basis. A child who is not toilet trained will not be accepted.

Nursery schools are widespread, even in rural areas, and are usually attached to the local Primary School. ""


https://www.frenchentree.com/living-in- ... aternelle/

Grandson 4 has already had an experimental morning at c two and a half, and will start properly in september when he's almost exactly three . The parents have a very good childminder who takes no more than four at a time and is trained and seriously inspected by the local (state)creche, who they can use to fill gaps . Cost is c€1.50 ph, but that adds up when you only have a nurse's and/or carpenter's salary !

Grandson5 is five weeks old, my DIL will have a total of six months off work, then my son will take the same, receiving somewhat less than half-pay.

They'll be a bit stretched, but seem far better supported than the equivalents in the UK ?


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Still I'm sure the arch-Brexiteers who have been plotting our exit from the EU will have had a plan for this formulated years ago right?




I've just been watching the report on the news. The proposed scheme sounds chaotic.


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PF 10.23 I thought the idea was to let everything in, no tariffs/no inspections :-)


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PF 10.23 I thought the idea was to let everything in, no tariffs/no inspections :-)



That was last Tuesday. Or was it last Wednesday?


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HindleA wrote:
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Labour vows to make provision of youth services compulsory
Party also proposes national body to oversee services for young people in England in effort to curb rising crime

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... compulsory

I opened the Indie O'Grady Comment on this story, and batshit-crazy it is !

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/la ... 69546.html

Only skimmed through it to get to the comments , such as -
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I was a beneficiary of a community youth programme in 1984 which put money in my pocket and a roof over my head. I gained experience which led to quality employment and a good standard of living. Youth Services have been decimated under the tories and we feel the impact of the loss of the education and support to young people via informal and engaging work. To say that employment is the answer to knife crime is simplistic. There are complexities which require multi agency approaches and systemic approaches.""

We had similar under Lionel Jospin, and it worked for some youth I know too .

Far more important initially would be bringing police and CPSO and other support staff numbers back to they were before Teresa May ! Labour has systematically been missing a trick in speechifying solely on 'police' numbers , when the other people are recognised by the best police chiefs as also being essential as part of the mix which of course includes youth workers etc.

Labour as the party of Law an' Order shock !


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https://constitution-unit.com/2018/07/3 ... ssion=true

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This is a public service announcement.

All those here with Labour NEC ballot papers - even if you plan to vote the "left" slate generally, please do *not* include Pete Willsman.

It would be very nice if you could choose Ann Black instead.

That concludes this message :)


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I found this to be an interesting read (signposted to it over at Politics Live, Guardian):

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Senior EU official says document setting out ‘future framework’ of relationship with UK is unlikely to be as detailed as Britain hopes


Basically, they're so exasperated with the UK that they don't believe, as things stand, that we're worth the effort.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/31/eus-brexit-declaration-could-be-just-four-or-five-pages-long


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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
This is a public service announcement.

All those here with Labour NEC ballot papers - even if you plan to vote the "left" slate generally, please do *not* include Pete Willsman.

It would be very nice if you could choose Ann Black instead.

That concludes this message :)


Ann Black and Yasmine Dar are the only votes I cast with any confidence. All the others were pretty random based on a skim read of their bios. The story about Willsman possibly came too late for many who blindly followed the Momentum slate. Could lead to more members making up their own minds in future.

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Yes some have said on social media they voted for Willsman before this came out, and now wish they could change their vote :oops:

But he was the bottom placed "left" candidate last time around, so re-election is far from assured.

Here's hoping.....


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As if,shouldn't have be anywhere near it.I find reactions of Jones etc fake and disingenuous.It's what you get when your head stuck up your arse in binary simpleness.Yet another reason I refuse to play the factionalist bullshit game.IMHO.

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Just about my one consistent position since first getting involved in Labour politics in the early 1980s - SLATES ARE BAD.


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The IEA trying to answer their critics. Not sure it works though.


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I would say the" JC "thing is bad.It sets up a particular mindset where for/against is enough,removes critical thought for those not paying attention beyond that.Even if I support somebody a critical/questioning counter is essential.IMHO.

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I would say the" JC "thing is bad.It sets up a particular mindset where for/against is enough,removes critical thought for those not paying attention beyond that.Even if I support somebody a critical/questioning counter is essential.IMHO.


Yes, agree with that. Labour's left also needs to be thinking of the succession, simply given Corbyn's age as well as anything else.


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https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... sal-credit


Government to pay thousands to disabled men who had benefits cut

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#Government forced through gritted teeth-still appealing (or rather not very)

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Talking about "mindsets".DWP appears to believe its own bullshit about lifestyle choice/people taking advantage/system was too easy (though extremely complicated at the same time)when of course people just want an adequate income subject to circumstance.

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So they end up paying more in attempts at denial

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HindleA wrote:
As if,shouldn't have be anywhere near it.I find reactions of Jones etc fake and disingenuous.It's what you get when your head stuck up your arse in binary simpleness.Yet another reason I refuse to play the factionalist bullshit game.IMHO.

Willsman and the councillor suspended for the Mossad reference are both pointing to something very real, but are so silly and in his case so intemperate that they were asking for trouble .

The LP is falling over itself not to admit publicly that those at the top of the Labour Friends of Israel and some other orgs are not bosom pals with the Israeli embassy. An unenviable situation !

I do think that the coordinated propaganda on a JC Labour government being an " existential threat " to british jews was a new low, comparable to the "Enemies of The People".


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The JC thing "works" both ways.You make it about "him".

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I do think that the coordinated propaganda on a JC Labour government being an " existential threat " to british jews was a new low, comparable to the "Enemies of The People".


I actually think most people saw that as OTT and it didn't help Corbyn's opponents.

People like Shawcroft and Willsman denying that AS even exists within Labour (how could it not, given it is part of the wider society the party lives in?) does, however.


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I do think that the coordinated propaganda on a JC Labour government being an " existential threat " to british jews was a new low, comparable to the "Enemies of The People".


I actually think most people saw that as OTT and it didn't help Corbyn's opponents.

People like Shawcroft and Willsman denying that AS even exists within Labour (how could it not, given it is part of the wider society the party lives in?) does, however.


AK --- Completely agreed on both points .

I do think the "existential threat" was worth a counter-attack of good-humoured ridicule :-)

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frog222 wrote:
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frog222 wrote:
I do think that the coordinated propaganda on a JC Labour government being an " existential threat " to british jews was a new low, comparable to the "Enemies of The People".


I actually think most people saw that as OTT and it didn't help Corbyn's opponents.

People like Shawcroft and Willsman denying that AS even exists within Labour (how could it not, given it is part of the wider society the party lives in?) does, however.


AK --- Completely agreed on both points .

I do think the "existential threat" was worth a counter-attack of good-humoured ridicule :-)

PS from last night, no idea how to shrink images which come out that way !

I've been downloading them, resizing them and then uploading them to the site. The issue is the original size of the image as it is linked.


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PF 10.23 I thought the idea was to let everything in, no tariffs/no inspections :-)



That was last Tuesday. Or was it last Wednesday?

"" As Sky News revealed in March, the government has been obliging border operators to sign gagging clauses over its ultimate "throw the borders open" contingency plan not to enforce incoming checks.

Trade experts suggest this would be legally questionable under world trade rules.

In any event, the EU has repeatedly said it would immediately enforce its Union Customs Code at the customs and regulatory border created by a no deal Brexit on 30 March next year
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Anybody who hasn't yet checked Abi Wilkinson on Twitter today - please do.

The phrase "going out in a blaze of glory" comes to mind for some reason......


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'just order meds on the internet and get them delivered'

this government aren't levelling with people
they're not only allowing an ignorant state of affairs
they're deliberately cultivating it
it's scary as hell


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Martin Rowson on top form.

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