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https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... 11-shelter

Soaring rents rose 60% faster than pay since 2011 – Shelter
Many English towns out of reach for workers, whose pay rose only 10% in seven years


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Ooo, some more people have along so there are some more things to read.








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After lots of front pages telling us that the heatwave was making us all staycate and spend lots of lovely money on ourselves so things were looking up for services

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Newsflash! Britain’s service sector stumbled last month, with growth hitting a three-month low -- and Brexit is getting some of the blame. Service sector bosses report that new orders grew at a slower rate last month, with business activity growth also weakening. Another worrying sign: employment growth across the sector fell to a near two-year low. Some companies blamed the tight labour market; others said they were automating business processes so they could run with fewer staff.

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I suspect the odd link to it has come up along the way but anyway can I just plug the LSE Brexit Blog - a collection of articles by academics from a range of disciplines (and institutions, although it's hosted by LSE) on the whole leave shebang.

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Thanks , this is old , 24/10/16, but does have recent data in the link no2brexit

brexit-is-not-the-will-of-the-british-people-it-never-has-been/

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2016/10/2 ... -has-been/

http://no2brexit.com/


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I wrote this early this morning ( but not late last night...) having read the first papers , and would just love to be overturned by 'events', and wrong on my conclusion :-)

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Bob, freelancer 2 hours ago

"Don’t like Corbyn – but this anti Semitism row is so concocted I am tempted to change my mind.
This article is spot on."


It's the Mark Steel !

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/an ... 74846.html

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This one does really scare me, that Corbyn will give in to the Lobby, and also ... please absolutely nobody !

Jeremy Corbyn in talks to use Jewish venue for speech addressing antisemitism crisis
Venue is yet to make a decision about if they will approve Labour leader's request


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 75266.html

“” Mr Corbyn was forced to apologise earlier this week after it emerged he shared a platform with people who reportedly compared Israel to the Nazis.

( Shadow chancellor John McDonnell has also faced questions over his backing of the creation of anti-Zionist group International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network (IJAN), which he supported in a 2008 Commons motion )
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‘People’ … such as a Holocaust survivor FFS !

He should never have ‘apologised’ .

Very weak.


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Though much reporting doesn't mention it was the most "minimal" form of apology - ie "sorry for any offence caused".

At other times JC's opponents would have attacked that as insufficient, but right now they see more mileage in portraying him as "weak" instead.


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https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/who-get ... -semitism/
"Who gets to define anti-Semitism?"


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And I say unto you, thrice good morfternoon.

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I love it!
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He should never have ‘apologised’ .

Very weak.
(cJA edit)
Asking someone's pardon isn't an admission of wrongdoing.


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- Sense and Sensibility

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He should never have ‘apologised’ .

Very weak.
(cJA edit)
Asking someone's pardon isn't an admission of wrongdoing.


Yes, apologising isn't always bad - certainly the fact our PM almost never apologises for anything (despite numerous reasons to) isn't a plus point in her favour.


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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... lea-return


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Ray of light for justice system as High Court vindicates Law Society legal aid challenge


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tinybgoat wrote:
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/who-gets-to-define-anti-semitism/
"Who gets to define anti-Semitism?"

Thankyou . Very good one . But I'm not sure what this means , in practice --

" which has since been widely adopted by many governments, including Britain’s." ??


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3 August 2018

Following a review, Office for National Statistics [ONS] will formally hand responsibility for the collection and publication of Civil Service statistics to Cabinet Office with effect from 1 October 2018.

The outputs will keep their National Statistics designation on transfer to Cabinet Office.

The Office for Statistics Regulation will undertake a compliance check to review the product following transfer to Cabinet Office.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlab ... stics/2018


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double post !

Back from the beach, plus seeing kids and 5week old grandson no5 ,

it's 23 inside, 30.5 in the shade outside !


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Disabled 10-year-old boy asked to 'prove' disability by Jet2 staff
The real entitlement culture that needs to be addressed.


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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Though much reporting doesn't mention it was the most "minimal" form of apology - ie "sorry for any offence caused".

At other times JC's opponents would have attacked that as insufficient, but right now they see more mileage in portraying him as "weak" instead.

AK -- I hope you are not implying that I am one of those opponents ? :-)

Admittedly you'd never find me baying " Ooooh John Doe" with any crowd, but I've always been praying that he's up to the job he has, never having had any executive role so far .

Let's consider my own variation on 'apology' in this case:

" I'm sorry if I offended anyone, but to be clear I'd do the same again ! "

Another categorical one : is " I'm sorry for any offence caused, and I won't do it again !"

Did JC 'apologise' for offence and er leave the rest blank ?


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frog222 wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Though much reporting doesn't mention it was the most "minimal" form of apology - ie "sorry for any offence caused".

At other times JC's opponents would have attacked that as insufficient, but right now they see more mileage in portraying him as "weak" instead.

AK -- I hope you are not implying that I am one of those opponents ? :-)


Thought you knew me better than that ;)


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Cooled down to 30, and I'm sawing up firewood branches in the shade .

Glowing damply !


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frog222 wrote:
tinybgoat wrote:
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/who-gets-to-define-anti-semitism/
"Who gets to define anti-Semitism?"

Thankyou . Very good one . But I'm not sure what this means , in practice --

" which has since been widely adopted by many governments, including Britain’s." ??

I've been looking around and found the following below.
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...the committee on Antisemitism and Holocaust Denial called the IHRA Plenary in Budapest 2015 to adopt the following working definition of antisemitism.
On 26 May 2016, the Plenary in Bucharest decided to: Adopt the following non-legally binding working definition of antisemitism:
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Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.

https://www.holocaustremembrance.com/wo ... tisemitism
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12 December 2016 - Government to adopt the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance’s (IHRA) working definition of anti-Semitism.
Britain will be one of the first countries to adopt the definition, agreed by the IHRA, an intergovernmental body made up of 31 member countries, in May this year. It states:
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"Anti-Semitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of anti-Semitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities."

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/gove ... i-semitism


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RE my 1.
RE my 1
RE my 1.04 – I had to check, so it’s number two– “Sorry, I won’t do it again !”

” The Labour leader acknowledged he had appeared with people “whose views I completely reject” when he hosted a Holocaust Memorial Day event in 2010, while he was a backbench MP. He apologised for the “concerns and anxiety” it had caused. “

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... mitism-row

Margaret Hodge is demanding unconditional surrender, or not ?

labour-offered-to-drop-margaret-hodge-disciplinary-action

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ary-action

Surely that's weak on the Freedom of Speech angle ?

PS Should i post again the vid of some of the six former chiefs of Shin Bet making the same comparison ?


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The party has made it clear from the start they would drop any action if Hodge apologised. In that sense, the ball is in her court.


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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
The party has made it clear from the start they would drop any action if Hodge apologised. In that sense, the ball is in her court.

From my link just above it appears she's batted it straight back !


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Classic game of ping-pong, then?


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The party has made it clear from the start they would drop any action if Hodge apologised. In that sense, the ball is in her court.

She still claims to not understand why she's being disciplined. :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall:


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Didn't Hodge lead one of the revolutions agin JC ?


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Interview with Dan Hodges’ mother, Glenda Jackson. Must make things awkward.

“Jeremy Corbyn is not a racist, and I don’t believe he is anti-Semitic. What he is is pro-Palestinian”https://www.thedailybeast.com/tony-nominee-glenda-jackson-on-awards-jeremy-corbyn-anti-semitism-and-dancing-with-fred-astaire …
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Michael White's made a complete arse of himself (quelle surprise). https://twitter.com/AbiWilks/status/1025410417160531970


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His (son) Excellency? (Theresa May's place marker at the meal with Emmanuel Macron). Or is that some convention I'm unaware of? (Guardian photo')





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East Sussex council set to cut services to bare legal minimum


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His (son) Excellency? (Theresa May's place marker at the meal with Emmanuel Macron). Or is that some convention I'm unaware of? (Guardian photo')
Edited - typo


Sa excellence is unsayable, like Ma Amour :-)


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His (son) Excellency? (Theresa May's place marker at the meal with Emmanuel Macron). Or is that some convention I'm unaware of? (Guardian photo')
Edited - typo


Sa excellence is unsayable, like Ma Amour :-)


Thanks.

Do you know that I know that perfectly well but failed to even think of it - (I also didn't say it in my head which is something that I would usually do without thinking)? My brain is definitely getting very lazy.


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Interview with Dan Hodges’ mother, Glenda Jackson. Must make things awkward.

“Jeremy Corbyn is not a racist, and I don’t believe he is anti-Semitic. What he is is pro-Palestinian”https://www.thedailybeast.com/tony-nominee-glenda-jackson-on-awards-jeremy-corbyn-anti-semitism-and-dancing-with-fred-astaire …
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"" The MP dug her heels in when asked by a Birmingham student about hate speech on campus. The student was distressed by the comments made at Birmingham Palestine Society by a visiting speaker, Mike Prysner, who compared Israel's actions with the Holocaust. But Ms Jackson was unmoved. Free speech on campus was "precious", she said, adding: "I don't think that is hate speech, I think it's stupid and insensitive if someone does that. But it isn't hate speech. If people do preach hate on campus there are laws to prevent that."

She said she had met Manchester University students during a lobby of Parliament. "They argued that everyone speaking on campus should have their speech vetted. I couldn't believe it. You cannot do that.""

Fiery but unmoved; Glenda for President !


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Three local council byelections yesterday:

Fylde DC - Tory hold with 72% of the vote in a straight fight with Labour. Back in 2003 Ratepayers took one of the seats here, but in 2007 the Tories captured it for a full slate of 3 councillors and have maintained that position with ease since. Last time round they were opposed by just by a single Labour candidate and one independent, which very likely exaggerates the supposed increase of over 20% in their vote since 2015 - but this was clearly still a very solid result. Labour also took advantage of the absence of an Independent (second three years ago) to solidly increase their share.

King's Lynn and West Norfolk DC - another big Tory win with over three quarters of the vote this time, modestly up on 2015. Back in 2003 two Independents were returned here, but the Tories won one of the seats in a 2004 by-election and easily took the other in 2007 when no Indy stood and since then they have not been much troubled. In the last three regular elections, their sole opposition here has come from Labour, but the red team absented themselves this time - none of their replacement opposition hopefuls made much impact now, however. LibDems - who came second back in 2004, repeated that placing now but with a distinctly modest 8% of the vote, just ahead of the Greens who had never stood here before. Last with 6% were UKIP - a long way short of their previous effort here in yet another byelection in 2013, when they came second with close to a quarter of the vote.

Peterborough - a narrow Tory hold which means their one seat overall majority gained in the May elections remains in place. The similar predecessor ward normally voted Tory (though not always - LibDem triumphs at the start of the millennium were followed by a Labour win in 2012 and UKIP coming out on top come their 2014 high point) and come the 2016 all-out elections the redrawn division went 2C/1UKIP before Tories duly made it a full house three months ago, Labour moving into a close second place. This time the Tory winning score was a relatively modest 36%, just three points ahead of Labour - a direct swing to the latter of just over 1% since May (and a somewhat bigger one since 2016, both parties gaining majorly since then from the UKIP collapse) Labour may have been none too pleased to see the LibDems - on 12% which was up four points - and the Greens (not far behind) increasing their shares; this was more than can be said for UKIP whose share halved again to 7% and last place - their recent poll mini-revival remains elusive when it comes to "real" votes.

Just one (Cornish) contest next week.


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Oh #### listening to classical,smoking pipe and wearing slippers-i'm doomed.


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Slippers?! In this weather?


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